Should we all hide our wallets? What do you think?

Let's see:

25 years ago, in 1983, the top marginal tax rate was 50% on any taxable income over $109,400.

I guess 39% on anything over $250,000 is just too much of a burden, though....

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1) why in the world would you vote for someone that has a social agenda that you violently disagree with? to so is to capitulate... without a struggle, violent or not.

Priorities, my dear, priorities. I am a feminist who believes in a woman's right to choose. Saying that, I think that the security of the country trumps everything else. I don't think that Obama is the person who has the ability (or the inclination) to keep the country secure.

I think everyone should be really scared... especially after reading that story. I mean, damn! The guy spent 25 years building 4 businesses, and can't even figure out who was in charge of the government during a large majority of that time. IF he's real, and I don't doubt that he is or think it matters one way or the other, he's obviously swallowed a lot of talking points 'cause as far as I know Obama hasn't indicated anywhere whatsoever that he's planning to take Bob the Builders money and just start passing it out to people sitting on their asses.

C'mon, if Bob the Builder now has 4 businesses and pays 3% more in taxes on his PERSONAL INCOME to help rebuild the nations infrastructure, make the country more energy independent, provide better education for those he needs to hire, etc... Do you think he won't end up benefiting a hell of a lot more than 3%?

You and I were raised to know that any opinion or held belief that cannot stand up to honest scrutiny is not worth having.

Foxfyre wrote:

You and I were raised to know that any opinion or held belief that cannot stand up to honest scrutiny is not worth having.

then quit griping about joe the plumber being examined.

Dtom wrote

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before you say something like this, you should consider the treatment people who don't like bush & crowd have received over the last 8 years.

But you did immediately dismiss the email as unsubstantiated...

and your initial posting of it was unsubstantiated. and you still have provided no unrefutable proof that he really did write it.

i admit that it's a semantic. but still, i truly have no way of knowing that it's not bogus.

...or the opinion of us who think there are a lot of religious fanatics among Obama supporters based purely on the words and behavior of those supporters?

you've got to be kidding me, foxy. of the 4 people in the election, which one was it that had a minister putting his hands on and going off about protection from witchcraft?

but let me again make it clear, okay? the only people i hear talking about obama being a messiah or any of that stuff are his opponents and their followers. that doesn't mean that none of obama's supporters supporters are saying it, but noone i personally know says anything like it. in fact, most of us were hoping for hillary. but, obama won the nomination. and in the time since, he has convinced me that he will do a good job.

obama is a politician. nothing more nothing less. but he's the politician that i think will bring the country onto a better course than mccain. and i'm certain a better course than sarah palin.

I think everyone should be really scared... especially after reading that story. I mean, damn! The guy spent 25 years building 4 businesses, and can't even figure out who was in charge of the government during a large majority of that time. IF he's real, and I don't doubt that he is or think it matters one way or the other, he's obviously swallowed a lot of talking points 'cause as far as I know Obama hasn't indicated anywhere whatsoever that he's planning to take Bob the Builders money and just start passing it out to people sitting on their asses.

C'mon, if Bob the Builder now has 4 businesses and pays 3% more in taxes on his PERSONAL INCOME to help rebuild the nations infrastructure, make the country more energy independent, provide better education for those he needs to hire, etc... Do you think he won't end up benefiting a hell of a lot more than 3%?

And here's another source authenticating the letter as real - hear it from Cory himself:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

You and I were raised to know that any opinion or held belief that cannot stand up to honest scrutiny is not worth having.

then quit griping about joe the plumber being examined.

It wasn't Joe the Plumber's opinion or belief that was being examined. What was happening was a dedicated attempt to destroy Joe the Plumber presumably to shut up him and anybody else agreeing with his opinion. I have no problem with any of you expressing your opinion of how Joe's opinion was wrong. But (the rhetorical) you don't do that. You attack him, and therein is the difference. Its just like attacking Cory the Driller as a probable fraud rather than considering the things that he was saying.

C'mon, if Bob the Builder now has 4 businesses and pays 3% more in taxes on his PERSONAL INCOME to help rebuild the nations infrastructure, make the country more energy independent, provide better education for those he needs to hire, etc... Do you think he won't end up benefiting a hell of a lot more than 3%?

but in the end, joe's situation and his story have proven to be other than he made out.

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C'mon, if Bob the Builder now has 4 businesses and pays 3% more in taxes on his PERSONAL INCOME to help rebuild the nations infrastructure, make the country more energy independent, provide better education for those he needs to hire, etc... Do you think he won't end up benefiting a hell of a lot more than 3%?

Not 3% more in taxes on his personal income, 3% more in taxes on the part of his personal income he earns above $250,000. So he gets an even better deal than you say he does.

I can't see how it is a good deal to have my taxes raised if I'm a Joe the Plumber or a Cory the Driller or anybody who is trying to make a buck, create jobs for others, and make the economy thrive.

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but in the end, joe's situation and his story have proven to be other than he made out.

No it didn't. In his initial encounter with Obama, all he said was he was thinking about buying a small business that would make X number of dollars and, if he did, Obama would raise his taxes. How could anybody who was the least bit objective or honest have a problem with that question? How do you justify any citizen being dragged through the mud for asking a question like that?

Foxfyre wrote:

I can't see how it is a good deal to have my taxes raised if I'm a Joe the Plumber or a Cory the Driller or anybody who is trying to make a buck, create jobs for others, and make the economy thrive.

It's not the taxation itself that does that; It's how the taxes are spent. If they are spent on public infrastructure that you would otherwise have to acquire privately, or on projects that make your customers able to afford your products, the taxing and spending may well be a net benefit for your business. It doesn't have to be, but it can.