Should we all hide our wallets? What do you think?

It's not the taxation itself that does that; It's how the taxes are spent. If they are spent on public infrastructure that you would otherwise have to acquire privately, or on projects that make your customers able to afford your products, the taxing and spending may well be a net benefit for your business. It doesn't have to be, but it can.

but don't ya know thomas, obama plans to take all of that money, run down to the projects and hand out benjis to alla those single welfare moms...

Foxfyre wrote:

I can't see how it is a good deal to have my taxes raised if I'm a Joe the Plumber or a Cory the Driller or anybody who is trying to make a buck, create jobs for others, and make the economy thrive.

It's not the taxation itself that does that; It's how the taxes are spent. If they are spent on public infrastructure that you would otherwise have to acquire privately, or on projects that make your customers able to afford your products, the taxing and spending may well be a net benefit for your business. It doesn't have to be, but it can.

Okay, then at almost every speech Obama or Biden or any of their surrogates hold up some real life person as an example of who they are referencing in their spiel for that day. It's okay for the Republican to have those people investigated, slimed, dragged through the mud, and publicly embarrassed?

Just so I know where you're coming from here.

Foxfyre wrote:

Okay, then at almost every speech Obama or Biden or any of their surrogates hold up some real life person as an example of who they are referencing in their spiel for that day. It's okay for the Republican to have those people investigated, slimed, dragged through the mud, and publicly embarrassed?

Just so I know where you're coming from here.

yeah, it is. if they willingly take the bit between their teeth and run straight towards self glorification like joe "the media whore" wurzelbacher.

you seem to have forgotten that i'm not a democrat foxy. the only parties i've belonged to are republican and libertarian.

after the election, i'll be registering as an independent, though.

Thomas wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

I can't see how it is a good deal to have my taxes raised if I'm a Joe the Plumber or a Cory the Driller or anybody who is trying to make a buck, create jobs for others, and make the economy thrive.

It's not the taxation itself that does that; It's how the taxes are spent. If they are spent on public infrastructure that you would otherwise have to acquire privately, or on projects that make your customers able to afford your products, the taxing and spending may well be a net benefit for your business. It doesn't have to be, but it can.

Give 90% of working Americans a tax cut, health insurance for everybody, fix education, guarantee every kid a college education, achieve energy independence, stop global warming, save Social Security and Medicare, rebuild the infrastructure, achieve world peace and cooperation--that's a lot to ask of three little old percentage points on 10% of individuals and corporations don't you think?

But its heresy to question it.

Priorities, my dear, priorities. I am a feminist who believes in a woman's right to choose. Saying that, I think that the security of the country trumps everything else. I don't think that Obama is the person who has the ability (or the inclination) to keep the country secure

Well that's good because I feel safe in speaking for most Repubicans that they don't want you if you think it is okay to trash, slime, and try to personally destroy an ordinary citizen who asks a reasonable question of a political candidate or expresses his opinion about the candidate's agenda.

At least until a re-energized Al Qaida or other terrorist group gears up for the next assualt because they can count on America turning tail and running yet again.

You implicitly underestimate the inequality of the income distribution in America, where the top 10% of the income distribution earn over 40% of the national income, and pay about 70% of the income taxes. (The top 1% alone pays about 35% of all income taxes.) You can dispute the justice of taxing the top 10% even more; but you can hardly dispute its potential effectiveness. There's a lot of money to tax away there.

And no, it's not heresy to question is -- show me where anyone accused you of heresy for that question.

* You cannot help the poor, by destroying the rich.

* You cannot strengthen the weak, by weakening the strong.

* You cannot bring about prosperity, by discouraging thrift.

* You cannot lift the wage earner up, by pulling the wage payer down.

* You cannot further the brotherhood of man, by inciting class hatred.

* You cannot build character and courage, by taking away people's initiative and independence.

* You cannot help people permanently, by doing for them what they could and should, do for themselves.
--William J. H. Boetcker

But on taxes here's the breakdown for 2005:

And you cannot establish a fair tax plan based on how much somebody has left.

But the more people are punished with taxes for taking risks, investing blood, sweat, and tears in a business and finally making it profitable, the less incentive there is to do that.

to DTOM,

If you don't see any difference between Cindy Sheehan/Michael Moore and Joe the Plumber/Cory the Driller, then we really have nothing to talk about at all.