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Should we all hide our wallets? What do you think?

 
 
rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 12:04 pm
@Foxfyre,
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Redistribution of wealth isn't just a concept any more. Looks like it will likely be a done deal if Barack Obama is President:

An inequitable redistribution of wealth is already occurring under our current tax code. In its current form tax law provides loopholes which are preferential to wealthy individuals and businesses so they end up paying disproportionately less. Should we continue to allow wealth to be redistributed upward or should we try to balance it out somehow?
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 12:06 pm
@Thomas,
It appears Obama's critics didn't even bother to get their sources straight. While Obama did participate in a discussion on September 6, 2001, that isn't where he made the remarks people criticize here. Rather, he made them on January 18, 2001, in a different discussion. Here's a link to the full, uncut audio file.

http://www.wbez.org/audio_library/ram/od/od-010118.ram
Bella Dea
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 12:08 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas, wanna post that on my thread about people not getting their insults correct or doing research before telling the world Obama is the devil?
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 12:10 pm
@Foxfyre,
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Everything that Marx proposed was not bad or came from bad intentions.

What are some of these things that Marx proposed that were not bad or came from bad intentions?
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 12:14 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:

It appears Obama's critics didn't even bother to get their sources straight.

This is a surprise?
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 12:15 pm
@Bella Dea,
Sure! Got a link to the thread?
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 12:22 pm
@Thomas,
Thanks for researching those audio discussions, Thomas. These were some very interesting discussions about slavery, segregation, civil rights, the courts and the constitution.
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Woiyo9
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 12:22 pm
@candidone1,
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It only came from "people like me" after the barrage of right wing news outlets continually peddled this tripe 24/7.


Then you need to grow up. If someone says something stupid, you should be smart enough to ignore.

Quote:
I really believe "country first" includes all the people and all the things in the country...rich or poor people, the environmnet, the military, education etc. To think that some of my taxes on 70k might help out a single woman who decided to leave her husband is a good thing. To think that some of my taxes on 70k might help out an individual with a mental disorder is a good thing. To think that some of my taxes on 70k might help out an ex drug addict get the wheels on his life turning is a good thing. To think that some of my taxes on 70k might help make my roads better, safer or my neighborhood cleaner are a good thing. To think that some of my taxes on 70k might help improve on the environment is a good thing. To think that some of my taxes on 70k might help a school hire another teacher is a good thing.


Some of the things you mention are charitable endeavors and have no business being on the tax roll. I object to the confiscatory rates this Govt charges coupled with the extraordinary waste and lack of oversight the Govt provides. I site the "Big Dig", CRA and this Police Action in Iraq as samples of monumental Govt waste.

When the voters finally wise up and replace every member of the Legislative Branch, then maybe the Govt can become an efficient fiduciary of our taxes.

Until then, you must be crazy to support any more tax increases until and unless they are coupled with efficiencies and spending cuts (which Obama has not demonstrated).


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Woiyo9
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 12:23 pm
@Bella Dea,
I am still waiting for a reply to your post calling me racist.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 06:37 pm
@candidone1,
Unless I'm mistaken, the US Treasury accepts donations.

You can also donate a portion of your wealth to any number of charities that will:

* Help out a single woman who decided to leave her husband
*Help out an individual with a mental disorder
*Help out an ex-drug addict get the wheels on his life turning

As a private citizen you can join like minded inviduals in your community to and "adopt a street," pledging to keep it clean and attractive.

You can help improve the environment in many ways through simple conservation.

The federal government already has enough money to build and maintain federal highways. None of us needs to be taxed more heavily to accomplish this task, unless the money already collected for it is diverted.

The federal government covers between 7% and 9% of the funding for public schools. If you would like to see a new teacher added to the staff of your local school you should focus your wealth redistribution efforts to your state or local municipality.

Unless you don't believe Obama when he insists that he will lower your taxes and only raise mine, your post is only so much sanctimony.

How convenient it is to spend other people's money on what you want and when they complain, call them greedy, selfish, cynical and stupid.
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 07:11 pm
@Foxfyre,
I was wondering how long it would be before you would bring this here.

Obama essentially made a conservative argument here. He's saying that the tragedy of the civil rights movement is that it became too court focused, not that the court should have ventured into those areas.
squinney
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 07:37 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

......

The federal government already has enough money to build and maintain federal highways. None of us needs to be taxed more heavily to accomplish this task, unless the money already collected for it is diverted.

.......


Diverted.... like for an unnecessary war or something? There WAS enough money, it just got diverted? If there WAS enough money, why do we have trillions of dollars in debt?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 07:53 pm
@FreeDuck,
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Obama essentially made a conservative argument here. He's saying that the tragedy of the civil rights movement is that it became too court focused, not that the court should have ventured into those areas.


Not quite.

When did Obama say that he wouldn't have liked the courts to venture into the area of redistribution?

His argument was not from the conservative point of view that the courts should not legislate, it was that redistribution could have been persued in the legislature, but was not because the civil rights movement was too focused on the courts, and the courts never took up the issue.

Big difference.

Whether or not you believe there is anything wrong with the concept of wealth redistribution, Obama is clearly for it.
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 08:35 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Whether or not you believe there is anything wrong with the concept of wealth redistribution, Obama is clearly for it.


So was Reagan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earned_Income_Tax_Credit
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 08:44 pm
@Woiyo9,
Woiyo9 wrote:
Anyone who thinks a progressive tax system is "socialist or marxist" is stupid. Yet, Obama should watch what he says about "re-distributing" the wealth as the phrase will make people like you ask this type of question

So you dont actually think that Obama's a Marxist because he proposes a slightly more progressive tax system (what is it, three, four percent?) -- but it's nevertheless only logical that it makes people ask whether he's a Marxist?
nimh
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 08:47 pm
@Cycloptichorn,


Wink
nimh
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 08:52 pm
@candidone1,
Hear, hear
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 08:54 pm
@nimh,
Laughing
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 09:01 pm
@nimh,
great find, nimh
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Woiyo9
 
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Reply Tue 28 Oct, 2008 06:08 am
@nimh,
Marxist? No.

Yet, when he speaks as he has done in the past, many will ask the question.

I believe Obama is an extreme liberal who will raise taxes across the board (regardless of what he says), appoint extreme liberal Justices, liberally "sell out" our foreign policy and expand social welfare programs at the expense of the middle class.
 

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