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Should we all hide our wallets? What do you think?

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 10:15 am
@nimh,
nimh wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
Governor Richardson was stumping for Barack Obama when he said it. So now we have Obama citing $250,000 and up as "rich" with the "Middle Class" below that number--then in another stump speech $200,000 was the figure cited--Biden comes in at $150,000--and now Richardson brings it down to $120,000.

So the fact that Richardson, stumping for the Democratic candidate, defines the middle class as being up to $120,000 proves that Obama will change his whole tax plan and no longer give tax cuts to those earning upward of $120,000? Is that the logic here?

Ohkay...

If any of your prognoctisations dont actually come true, will you acknowledge it here, I wonder?


No, the fact that the numbers keep changing should raise eyebrows for everybody. But have I made any prognostications that I would need to apologize for? You seem to have no problem quoting Obama to make your point but you seem to have a problem with me quoting Obama. Why is that do you think? I am only citing what the man and his surrogates are saying and pointing out the contradictions that I see in it. Are you not pointing out what you see in Obama policies that you like? Is it unseemly for those of us who are highly skeptical to also speak out?
Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 10:35 am
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
No, the fact that the numbers keep changing should raise eyebrows for everybody. But have I made any prognostications that I would need to apologize for? You seem to have no problem quoting Obama to make your point but you seem to have a problem with me quoting Obama. Why is that do you think? I am only citing what the man and his surrogates are saying and pointing out the contradictions that I see in it. Are you not pointing out what you see in Obama policies that you like? Is it unseemly for those of us who are highly skeptical to also speak out?


Foxfyre- It has been mentioned before that Obama is being treated, not only like a rock star, but almost like a deity who will "save" the country.

Like all good fundamentalist followers of anything, be it religious or secular, the worst thing that anyone can do is point out untruths or ambiguities in the "word" of whomever or whatever it is that is being worshipped.

And that, my friends is the problem with the Obama camp followers. If he sees a platypus, and calls it a kangaroo, the supporters will argue to the death that the creature is indeed a kangaroo.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 10:45 am
@Phoenix32890,
Phoenix32890 wrote:

Quote:
No, the fact that the numbers keep changing should raise eyebrows for everybody. But have I made any prognostications that I would need to apologize for? You seem to have no problem quoting Obama to make your point but you seem to have a problem with me quoting Obama. Why is that do you think? I am only citing what the man and his surrogates are saying and pointing out the contradictions that I see in it. Are you not pointing out what you see in Obama policies that you like? Is it unseemly for those of us who are highly skeptical to also speak out?


Foxfyre- It has been mentioned before that Obama is being treated, not only like a rock star, but almost like a deity who will "save" the country.

Like all good fundamentalist followers of anything, be it religious or secular, the worst thing that anyone can do is point out untruths or ambiguities in the "word" of whomever or whatever it is that is being worshipped.

And that, my friends is the problem with the Obama camp followers. If he sees a platypus, and calls it a kangaroo, the supporters will argue to the death that the creature is indeed a kangaroo.



In truth Phoenix, what we know about Obama is less troubling to me than what we don't know. Some of what he says is troubling enough, but what he isn't saying and nobody is asking is more so. We have never had a candidate for which close scrutiny was so not only discouraged but actually condemned. Some of us hear disturbing themes in Obama's rhetoric that his worshippers deny exists, and we skeptics are despised because we won't genuflect and bow down before him. Perhaps it is that which bothers me the most. There is a long history of really bad results from leaders who are adored and followed without question.

McCain isn't my cup of tea and I wish we had another candidate. But we at least know exactly what we're getting with him and I am convinced that he loves America and he is pretty much an honest man and he will sincerely go out of his way to do no harm. I do not feel that way about Obama.
Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 10:55 am
@Foxfyre,
Again, I am in complete agreement with you. I have my own theories, but they are only theories.

I am not crazy about the idea of McCain as president, and disagree violently with Palin's social agenda. But at least I know what McCain is, and what he stands for. I trust him to do the right thing in terms of security, which IMO is the most important issue in this very dangerous world.

I do not trust Obama. I think that he has a very particular agenda, which is not good for the country. He really scares the **** out of me!
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 11:36 am
@Phoenix32890,
Phoenix32890 wrote:


I do not trust Obama. I think that he has a very particular agenda, which is not good for the country. He really scares the **** out of me![/b][/color]


A big +1 !!!
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 12:36 pm
@Phoenix32890,
Phoenix32890 wrote:

I am not crazy about the idea of McCain as president, and disagree violently with Palin's social agenda. But at least I know what McCain is, and what he stands for. I trust him to do the right thing in terms of security, which IMO is the most important issue in this very dangerous world.


1) why in the world would you vote for someone that has a social agenda that you violently disagree with? to so is to capitulate... without a struggle, violent or not.
what i mean is that if it is something worth being violently in disagreement with, you must obviously see the agenda as something that is dangerous. why would you just allow it to happen? is there no concern over personal liberties for all americans? isn't that a threat that is at the very least equal to any danger posed by external agendas?

seems a lot like doing bin laden's job for him to me...

2) as for mccain; do you really know what he stands for? in 2000, he labeled people like palin, along with falwell & company "agents of intolerance". gee, he's sure singing a different tune now.

the bush tax cuts? he "was against them before he was for them"? he says he's all about the regular people, but wants to keep giving all of the tax breaks to the big money in yet another trickle down economic model. he runs back to washington to make sure that the government takes a bunch of tax money and gives it corporations and banks; and then calls obama a "socialist"? mccain says that he hates war, it's horrible. but then treats an audience to "bomb, bomb, iran"? the guy has performed more flip-flops than a burger stand. good grief

in other words, mccain is into continuing the same policies that have the country hamstrung in every direction.

but it's obama that scares the **** out of you??

hell, it's people like you that scares the **** out of me.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 12:54 pm
Gleaned from today's email. It is very long, and I apologize for that, but I can't link it. It definitely belongs in the debate, however:

Mr. Obama:

Given the uproar about the simple question asked you by Joe, the plumber, and the persecution that has been heaped on him because he dared to question you, I find myself motivated to say a few things to you myself.

While Joe aspires to start a business someday, I already have started not one, but 4 businesses. But first, let me introduce myself.

You can call me 'Cory, the well driller'. I am a 54-year-old high school graduate. I didn't go to college like you, I was too ready to go 'conquer the world' when I finished high school.

25 years ago at age 29, I started my own water well drilling business at a time when the economy here in East Texas was in a tailspin from the crash of the early 80's oil boom. I didn't get any help from the government, nor did I look for any. I borrowed what I could from my sister, my uncle, and even the pawn shop and managed to scrape together a homemade drill rig and a few tools to do my first job.

My businesses did not start not a result of privilege. It is the result of my personal drive, personal ambition, self discipline, self reliance, and a determination to treat my customers fairly. From the very start my business provided one other (than myself) East Texan a full time job. I couldn't afford a backhoe the first few years (something every well-drilling business had), so I and my helper had to dig the mud pits that are necessary for each and every job with hand shovels. I had to use my 10-year-old, ½-ton pickup truck for my water tank truck (normally a job for at least a 2-ton truck).

A year and a half after I started the business, I scraped together a 20% down payment to get a modest bank loan and bought a 28-year-old, worn-out, slightly bigger drilling rig to allow me to drill the deeper water wells in my area. I spent the next few years drilling wells with the rig while simultaneously rebuilding it between jobs.

Through these years, I never knew from one month to the next if I would have any work or be able to pay the bills. I got behind on my income taxes one year, and spent the next two years paying that back (with penalty and interest) while keeping up with ongoing taxes. I got behind on my water well supply bill 2 different years (way behind the second time... $80,000.00), and spent over a year paying it back (each time) while continuing to pay for ongoing supplies C.O.D. Of course, the personal stress endured through these experiences and years is hard to measure. I do have a stent in my heart now to memorialize it all.

I spent the next 10 years developing the reputation for being the most competent and most honest water well driller in East Texas . 2 years along the way, I hired another full-time employee for the drilling business so we could provide full-time water well pump service as well as the well drilling. Also, 3 years along the path, I bought a water well screen service machine from a friend, starting business #2.

5 years later I made a business loan for $100,000.00 to build a new, higher production, computer controlled screen service machine. I had designed the machine myself, and it didn't work out for 3 years so I had to make the loan payments without the benefit of any added income from the new machine. No government program was there to help me with the payments, or to help me sleep at night as I lay awake wondering how I would solve my machine problems or pay my bills. Finally, after 3 years, I got the screen machine working properly, and that provided another full-time job for an East Texan in the screen service business.

2 years after that, I made another business loan, this time for $250,000.00, to buy another used drilling rig and all the support equipment needed to run another, larger, drill rig. This provided another 2 full-time jobs for East Texans. Again, I spent a couple of years not knowing if I had made a smart move, or a move that would bankrupt me. For the third time in 13 years, I had placed everything I owned on the line, risking everything, in order to build a business.

A couple of years into this, I came up with a bright idea for a new kind of mud pump, a fundamentally necessary pump used on water well drill rigs. I spent my entire life savings to date (just $30,000.00), building a prototype of the pump and took it to the national water well convention to show it off. Customers immediately started coming out of the woodwork to buy the pumps, but there was a problem. I had depleted my assets making the prototype, and nobody would make me a business loan to start production of the new pumps. With several deposits for pump orders in hand, and nowhere to go, I finally started applying for as many credit card as I could find and took cash withdrawals on these cards to the tune of over $150,000.00 (including modest loans from my dear sister and brother), to get this 3rd business going.

Yes, once again, I had everything hanging on the line in an effort to start another business. I had never manufactured anything, and I had to design and bring into production a complex hydraulic machine from an untested prototype to a reliable production model (in six months). How many nights I lay awake wondering if I had just made the paramount mistake of my life, I cannot tell you, but there were plenty. I managed to get the pumps into production, which immediately created another 2 full time jobs in East Texas .

Some of the models in the first year suffered from quality issues due to the poor workmanship of one of my key suppliers, so I and an employee (another East Texan employed) had to drive across the country to repair customers' pumps, practically from coast to coast. I stood behind the product, and made payments to all the credit cards that had financed me (and my brother and sister). I spent the next 5 years improving and refining the product, building a reputation for the pump and the company, working to get the pump into drill rig manufacturers' product lines, and paying back credit cards. During all this time I continued to manage a growing water well business that was now operating 3 drill rig crews, and 2 well service crews.

Also, the screen service business continued to grow.

No government programs were there to help me, Mr. Obama, but that's okay, I didn't expect any, nor did I want any. I was too busy fighting to make success happen to sit around waiting for the government to help me.

Now, we have been manufacturing the mud pumps for 7 years, my combined businesses employ 32 full time employees, and distributes $5,000,000.00 annually through the local economy. Just 4 months ago I borrowed $1,254,000.00, purchasing computer-controlled machining equipment to start my 4th business, a production machine shop. The machine shop will serve the mud pump company so that we can better manufacture our pumps that are being shipped worldwide. Of course, the machine shop will also do work for outside companies as well. This has already produced 2 more full time jobs, and 2 more should develop out of it in the next few months. This should work out, but if it doesn't, it will be because you, and other professional politicians like yourself, will have destroyed our country's (and the world's) economy by meddling with mortgage loan programs through your liberal manipulation and intimidation of loaning institutions to make sure that unqualified borrowers could get mortgages.

You see, at the very time when I couldn't get a business loan to get my mud pumps into production, you were working with Acorn and the Community Reinvestment Act programs to make sure that unqualified borrowers could buy homes with no down payment, and even no credit, or worse yet, bad credit.....even the infamous, liberal, Ninja loans (No Income, No Job or Assets). While these unqualified borrowers were enjoying unrealistically low interest rates, I was paying 22% to 24% interest on the credit cards that I had used to provide me the funds for the mud pump business that has created jobs for more East Texans.

It's funny, because after 25 years of turning almost every dime of extra money back into my businesses to grow them, it has been only in the last two years that I have finally made enough money to be able to put a little away for retirement, and now the value of that has dropped 40% because of the policies you and your ilk have perpetrated on our country.

You see, Mr. Obama, I'm the guy you intend to raise taxes on. I'm the guy who has spent 25 years toiling and sweating, fretting and fighting, stressing and risking, to build a business and get ahead. I'm the guy who has been on the very edge of bankruptcy more than a dozen times over the last 25 years, all the while creating more and more jobs for East Texans who didn't want to take a risk, and wouldn't demand from themselves what I have demanded from myself. I'm the guy you characterize as 'the Americans who can afford it the most' that you believe should be taxed more to provide income redistribution 'to spread the wealth' to those who have never toiled, sweated, fretted, fought, stressed, or risked anything. You want to characterize me as someone who has enjoyed a life of privilege and who needs to pay a higher percentage of my income than those who have bought into your entitlement culture.

I resent you, Mr. Obama, as I resent all who want to use class warfare as a tool to advance their political careers. What's worse, each year more Americans buy into your liberal entitlement culture, and turn to the government for their hope of a better life instead of to themselves. Liberals are succeeding through more than 40 years of collaborative effort between the predominantly liberal media and liberal indoctrination programs in the public school systems across our land.

What is so terribly sad about this is this: America was made great by people who embraced the one-time American culture of self-reliance, self-motivation, self-determination, self-discipline, personal betterment, hard work and risk-taking"a culture built around the concept that success was in reach for every able-bodied American who would strive for it. Each year less Americans embrace that culture, we all descend together. We descend down the socialist path that has brought country after country ultimately to bitter and unremarkable states.

If you and your liberal comrades in the media and school systems would spend half as much effort cultivating a culture of can-do across America as you do cultivating your entitlement culture, we could see Americans at large embracing the conviction that they can elevate themselves through personal betterment, personal achievement, and self-reliance. You see, when people embrace such ideals, they act upon them. When people act upon such ideals, they succeed. America could find herself elevating instead of deteriorating.

But that would eliminate the need for liberal politicians, wouldn't it, Mr. Obama? The country would not need you if the country was convinced that problem-solving was best left with individuals instead of the government. You and all your liberal comrades have a vested interest in creating a dependent class in our country. It is the very business of liberals to create an ever-expanding dependence on government. What's remarkable is that you, who have never produced a job in your life, are going to tax me to take more of my money and give it to people who wouldn't need my money if they would get off their entitlement-mentality asses and apply themselves at work, demand more from themselves, and quit looking to liberal politicians to raise their station in life.

You see, I know because I've had them work for me before. Hundreds of them over these 25 years. People who simply will not show up to work on time. People who just will not work 5 days a week, much less 6. People always looking for a way to expend less effort. People who actually tell me that they would do more if I would first just pay them more. People who take off work to sit in government offices applying to get free government handouts. (Gee, I wonder how things would have turned out for them if they had spent that time earning money and pleasing their employer?) You see, all of this comes from your entitlement-mentality culture.

Oh, I know you will say I am uncompassionate. Sorry, Mr. Obama, wrong again. You see, I've seen what average percentage of your income has been given to charities over the years of 2000 to 2004 (ignoring the years you started running for office - can you pronounce the words "politically motivated"). You averaged less than 1% annually. And your running mate, Joe Biden, averaged less than ¼% of his annual income in charitable contributions over the last 10 years. Like so many liberals, the two of you want to give to the needy, just as long as it is someone else's money you are giving. I won't say what I have given to charities over the last 25 years, but the percentage is several times more than you or Joe Biden! (Don't you just hate Google?). Tell me again how you feel my pain.

In short, Mr. Obama, your political philosophies represent everything that is wrong with our country. You represent the culture of government-dependence instead of self-reliance; Entitlement mentality instead of personal achievement; Penalization of the successful to reward the unmotivated; Political correctness instead of open-mindedness and open debate. If you are successful, you may preside over the final transformation of America from being the greatest and most self-reliant culture on earth, to just another country of whiners and wimps, who sit around looking to the government to solve their problems. Like all of western Europe. All countries on the decline. All countries that, because of liberal, socialistic mentalities, have a little less to offer mankind every year.

God help us!

Cory Miller - just an ordinary, extraordinary American.....the way a lot of Americans used to be.

P.S. Yes, Mr. Obama, I am a real American
www.cmillerdrilling.com
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 01:06 pm
now we just post e-mails with no way of verifying anything?

for all i know, and you as well, "cori the well driller" is "cori the rnc operative".

but it's the mainstream media that you don't trust?

positively stupefying.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 01:11 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
DontTreadOnMe wrote:

now we just post e-mails with no way of verifying anything?

for all i know, and you as well, "cori the well driller" is "cori the rnc operative".

but it's the mainstream media that you don't trust?

positively stupefying.


Did you follow the link?

Really Dtom, a response such as yours here only reinforces what Phoenix was saying earlier. Those who dismiss any point of view other than Obama is god almighty who is above question and who was sent to save the world and save us all are the kool-ade drinkers who will believe anything. That is even moreso true when you criticize those who offer that different point of view no matter what they back it up with or use to illustrate it.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 01:19 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

now we just post e-mails with no way of verifying anything?

for all i know, and you as well, "cori the well driller" is "cori the rnc operative".

but it's the mainstream media that you don't trust?

positively stupefying.


Did you follow the link?


yup. but i have no way of knowing if the email was from the erstwhile cory since the email address was not included.

that was the point i was making, foxy.

but if i was gonna go all black helicopter about it, i would also point out that any savvy site designer with the added political juice could whip up a website made to look like that of an old established company, a fon number with someone to answer it, and simply say that the company is fully booked for the next 3 months.

but it is tempting seeing as how the "company" is in texas. the home of rove politics and sneaky redistricting.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 01:22 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
DontTreadOnMe wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

now we just post e-mails with no way of verifying anything?

for all i know, and you as well, "cori the well driller" is "cori the rnc operative".

but it's the mainstream media that you don't trust?

positively stupefying.


Did you follow the link?


yup. but i have no way of knowing if the email was from the erstwhile cory since the email address was not included.

that was the point i was making, foxy.

but if i was gonna go all black helicopter about it, i would also point out that any savvy site designer with the added political juice could whip up a website made to look like that of an old established company, a fon number with someone to answer it, and simply say that the company is fully booked for the next 3 months.

but it is tempting seeing as how the "company" is in texas. the home of rove politics and sneaky redistricting.


Ah, I see. No effort made to Yellow Book it to see if there really is such a company or anything huh? Just dismiss it is probably manufactured by the GOP, especially since it is a Texas company. You probably didn't even read the history provided on the website.

But any suspicions any of us might have about Barack Obama are looney tunes, conspiracy theories, or unsupportable.

That's fair.

Gotcha.

(P.S. You might try typing Miller Drilling Gilmer TX into your browser and follow the links. I did that and was satisfied that the email is most likely the real deal.)
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 01:36 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre- Thanks- What Cory wrote made me cry. Why can't people see???
Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 01:39 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
http://www.cmillerdrilling.com/cmillerhistory.htm

If you "Google" the business, there even is a nice little map.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Miller+Drilling+Gilmer+Texas&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 01:52 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
Quote:
1) why in the world would you vote for someone that has a social agenda that you violently disagree with? to so is to capitulate... without a struggle, violent or not.


Priorities, my dear, priorities. I am a feminist who believes in a woman's right to choose. Saying that, I think that the security of the country trumps everything else. I don't think that Obama is the person who has the ability (or the inclination) to keep the country secure.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 01:56 pm
@Phoenix32890,
Phoenix32890 wrote:

Foxfyre- Thanks- What Cory wrote made me cry. Why can't people see???


It isn't that they can't see, but they can't allow themselves to acknowledge it, consider it, much less believe it. It would be heretical in the new religion of Obama the messiah who has come to save us. No one like Cory Miller must be allowed into the dialogue lest any believer might come to begin to disbelieve.

You and I were raised to know that any opinion or held belief that cannot stand up to honest scrutiny is not worth having. I think that concept must be alien to most Obama worshippers.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 02:09 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

Those who dismiss any point of view other than Obama is god almighty who is above question and who was sent to save the world and save us all are the kool-ade drinkers who will believe anything. That is even moreso true when you criticize those who offer that different point of view no matter what they back it up with or use to illustrate it.


before you say something like this, you should consider the treatment people who don't like bush & crowd have received over the last 8 years.

now, i have never made any of the claims about obama that you list. in fact, the only ones i've heard say that stuff is you and other republicans.

once again, you did not pick up on the real point that i made. which was this;

Quote:
for all i know, and you as well, "cori the well driller" is "cori the rnc operative".

but it's the mainstream media that you don't trust?


and i did not say that the company wasn't real. i specifically said "if" i was going to go all black helicopter. and then offered ideas how it could be done.

if there is no email address listed in the thing, how do you know where it came from? how do you know it's not bull?

look, there's been an email going around for a month about some stuff mccain allegedly did on a vacation. i've received it a load of times.

i refuse to take it as fact and post it because it's not showing up any where else; i.e. the mainstream media.

now, if the msm (as ya'll call it) was as lefty and in the tank for obama as you say, wouldn't they be all over it like a cheap suit?

but nope, nothing.

so, if i take an untraceable email less than seriously, i hope you understand why.


Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 02:24 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
Dtom wrote
Quote:
before you say something like this, you should consider the treatment people who don't like bush & crowd have received over the last 8 years.


But you did immediately dismiss the email as unsubstantiated, implied criticism of me for posting it, and suggested all sorts of ulterior reasons for it. Didn't you?

Further, you haven't received any undeserved treatment for me for any truth that was spoken. You haven't been criticized by me for expressing a different point of view just because I didn't share it.

Yes, the numbnuts who think saying stuff like "Bush sucks" or "Bush lied, people died" etc. is valid debate have been treated with the respect stuff like that deserves. But you will find my criticisms of the President expressed all over the board and, in my opinion, every one of them have been deserved. I also am capable of seeing what he has done that has been good.

You don't find me launching personal insults at Barack Obama or intentionally accusing him of saying something he didn't say or doing something he didn't do. And, any criticism I have of him, I can articulate a reason for why I think as I do.

Even so, what in the world does what anybody has said about Bush-haters, critiques, commentators etc. have anything to do with an email of Cory Miller addressing Barack Obama or the opinion of us who think there are a lot of religious fanatics among Obama supporters based purely on the words and behavior of those supporters?
Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 02:29 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
If you don't believe Foxfyre or me, how about Conde Nast? Or are THEY part of a Republican conspiracy?

http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/C-Miller-Drilling-Co-613769
DrewDad
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 02:31 pm
@Foxfyre,
Let's see:

25 years ago, in 1983, the top marginal tax rate was 50% on any taxable income over $109,400.

I guess 39% on anything over $250,000 is just too much of a burden, though....
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 02:37 pm
@Phoenix32890,
Phoenix32890 wrote:

If you don't believe Foxfyre or me, how about Conde Nast? Or are THEY part of a Republican conspiracy?

http://www.portfolio.com/resources/company-profiles/C-Miller-Drilling-Co-613769


And here's another source authenticating the letter as real - hear it from Cory himself:
http://www.foxnews.com/video-search/m/21334807/cory_the_driller.htm?pageid=23003
 

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