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Obama's Tax Plan Is Really a Welfare Plan

 
 
Woiyo9
 
Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 06:18 am
Barack Obama's tax plan is the opposite of supply-side economics. He proposes to raise marginal rates for just about every federal tax. He also proposes a raft of tax credits that taxpayers can receive if they engage in various government-specified activities.

Moreover, the tax credits would mostly go to those who pay little or nothing in federal income taxes. His trick is to make the tax credits "refundable." Thus, if the tax credit is for $1,000, but the taxpayer would otherwise only pay $200 in taxes, the government would write a check to the taxpayer for $800. If the taxpayer pays nothing in federal income taxes, the government would pay him the whole $1,000.

Such credits are not tax cuts. Indeed, they should be called The New Tax Welfare. In effect, Mr. Obama is proposing to create or expand a slew of government spending programs that are disguised as tax credits. The spending on these programs is then subtracted from the total tax burden, in order to make the claim that his tax plan is a net tax cut overall.

On the tax side of the ledger, the details released by his campaign last week confirm what a President Obama has in mind for our most productive citizens. The top individual income tax rate, for example, would be increased by 13%, to 39.6%; the next-highest rate would be raised to 36%. The top rates on capital gains and dividends would rise by a third, to 20%

The Social Security payroll tax would be raised between 16% to 32% for families making over $250,000 a year. This means that the real returns these people get from their lifetime payments into the retirement program will be driven below 0%, according to my own previous research, which was published by the Cato Institute and elsewhere.

Mr. Obama also wants a permanent federal estate tax, with a top rate of 45%; his health-insurance plan includes a new payroll tax on employers; and he also contemplates several increases in the corporate income tax, including a new so-called windfall profits tax on oil companies.

Then there is the spending side of the ledger. Mr. Obama proposes a fully refundable Making Work Pay Tax Credit, which would have the government pay out $500 to each worker and $1,000 to couples -- reminiscent of George McGovern's 1972 election proposal for the government to send a $1,000 check to everyone.

His American Opportunity Tax Credit would provide a $4,000, fully refundable tax credit for college tuition expenses. His Mortgage Interest Tax Credit would provide a 10% credit -- refundable -- to offset mortgage interest payments for lower- and middle-income families. His Health Care Tax Credits, which the campaign says "will ensure that health insurance is available and affordable for all families," include "a new refundable 50 percent health tax credit on employee premiums paid by employers."

Currently existing tax credits would also become spending programs in the Obama tax program. The Savers Credit would be made fully refundable, and would be expanded, according to the campaign, "to match 50% of the first $1,000 of savings for families that earn under $75,000." The Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit would be made refundable and expanded to allow "low-income families to receive up to a 50 percent credit on the first $6,000 of child care expenses."

The Earned Income Tax Credit is already refundable. Mr. Obama would expand it to "increase the number of working parents eligible for EITC benefits, increase the benefits available to noncustodial parents who fulfill their child support obligations, increase benefits for families with three or more children, and reduce the EITC marriage penalty, which hurts low-income families." In short, welfare spending is to be increased by paying more money out to low-income income tax filers.

The latest Congressional Budget Office data shows the bottom 40% of income earners already pays no income taxes. Indeed, they receive a net payment from the federal income tax system -- meaning from the taxpayers -- equal to 3.8% of all federal income taxes, because of the refundable tax credits under current law. The middle 20% of income earners, the true middle class, pays 4.4% of federal income taxes.

Overall, the bottom 60% of income earners pay less than 1% of federal income taxes on net. When "tax credits" primarily go to this group in the form of checks from the government (rather than a reduction in their tax burden) it is simply an abuse of the language to call the spending a tax cut.

Consequently, to say, as the campaign does say, that the candidate's tax plan is a tax cut on net -- and that it would limit taxes to 18.2% of GDP -- is grossly misleading. The Obama tax plan would sharply increase real taxes. It also would come nowhere near to paying for the massive increases in federal spending he has proposed, including the spending that is disguised in the form of refundable tax credits.

Mr. Ferrara is director of entitlement and budget policy for the Institute for Policy Innovation. He served in President Reagan's White House Office of Policy Development, and as associate deputy attorney general under the President George H.W. Bush.

http://able2know.org/post/discuss/

What else can Obama take from me to give to others? Why should I try to be successful when Obama will just take more than half of what I make and give it to others?

If you have not already made up your mind on who to vote for, maybe this will help show you what it will cost you should Obama win.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 07:11 am
@Woiyo9,
Sounds great!

I can't wait to vote for him.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 07:13 am
@ebrown p,
ebrown p wrote:

Sounds great!

I can't wait to vote for him.

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parados
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 07:13 am
@Woiyo9,
Nice screed but rather short on facts.


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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 07:17 am
If it's the opposite of supply side economics as Woiyo said, then it has a lot to recommend it. Bush I's categorization of supply side as "voodoo economics" is still the best description in a nutshell. It's signally failed for the Republicans.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 07:33 am
@Woiyo9,
perhaps you forgot to mention Obama is a negra
Woiyo9
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 07:39 am
@dyslexia,
No. He is not.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 07:57 am
@dyslexia,
AND that he wants to sleep with your wife...
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Woiyo9
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 08:03 am
In Obamas own words....I will increase your taxes and give the results of your hard work to others.....

Socialism in progress!

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/195153.html
parados
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 08:11 am
@Woiyo9,
The author's trick is to pretend that income taxes are the only taxes that matter for poor people. While at the same time he complains about how those making more than $250,000 might have their FICA taxes raised. Which is it Mr Ferrara? Are Fica taxes really taxes or not?

This is an old bait and switch that is often used by those at CATO and Heritage. They pretend that the working poor pay no taxes so should not get any rebates on taxes.

Income taxes only make up 50% of the Federal revenues so whenever someone is using "income taxes" to claim someone pays no money in taxes they are lying to you. There is no other explanation for their deceit unless they want to admit they are stupid.

Someone making $17,000 with 3 kids will pay no income taxes but they will pay $1300 in FICA taxes while their employer pays another $1300 on their behalf. That means the government collected $2600 in tax revenues for that person. But let's look at the whine by Mr Ferrara as he ignores the taxes paid by that person.
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Moreover, the tax credits would mostly go to those who pay little or nothing in federal income taxes. His trick is to make the tax credits "refundable." Thus, if the tax credit is for $1,000, but the taxpayer would otherwise only pay $200 in taxes, the government would write a check to the taxpayer for $800. If the taxpayer pays nothing in federal income taxes, the government would pay him the whole $1,000.
There it is. The big lie. They paid no income taxes so any money they get back is money they never paid in. This is horseshit Woiyo and you should know better.
Woiyo9
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 08:18 am
@parados,
No trick, just you having an opposite opinion.

I agree with the author. FICA is NOT an income tax. Raising FICA limits is a decrease in my paycheck with no chance of being repaid to me at retirement. I may personally call it a "tax" but that portion is not part of the 50% the govt is taking from me. If you want to add FICA, closer to 60% of my income will be taken from me.

Obama's plan will not decrease the deficit, will not create jobs and reinforces my belief that he has a socialist agenda in mind for you and me.

Remember, you get the govt you deserve.
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 08:24 am
@Woiyo9,
How did you get that the government is/will be taking 50% of your income?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 08:28 am
Considering that supply-side economics has proven to be a complete failure, any plan which is the opposite of it gets my approval.

Cycloptichorn
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Woiyo9
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 08:39 am
@FreeDuck,
Federal and State and Local taxes are all part of equation with the Feds being the biggest "thief" in terms of percentage stolen from me.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 08:39 am
@Woiyo9,
Woiyo9 wrote:

No trick, just you having an opposite opinion.

I agree with the author. FICA is NOT an income tax. Raising FICA limits is a decrease in my paycheck with no chance of being repaid to me at retirement. I may personally call it a "tax" but that portion is not part of the 50% the govt is taking from me. If you want to add FICA, closer to 60% of my income will be taken from me.
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No, it won't. It can't based on the present US taxation system. Even if FICA is added to all income it still won't put you at 60%. No one has ever been able to provide any mathematical evidence to even show a 50% tax rate on all their income in spite of all the claims by people that they are paying 50% of their income in taxes. The most taxation I have ever been able to see is about 43% for a self employed single that spends a lot of money driving, smoking and drinking, saves nothing, lives in a high tax state and makes over $200k. And that was prior to the Bush tax cuts. You have to remember that you pay no income taxes on the first $10,000 or so of income. Adding FICA doesn't get you to 60% of your total income going for taxes. It can't based on simple math.

The most common mistakes people make when claiming they owe 50% in taxes.
1. They calculate they are paying the highest tax rate on all their income instead of allowing for deductions and the graduated rate.
2. They calculate they are paying sales tax on every dollar earned instead of just those spent. (You can't pay sales tax on dollars you paid in income taxes.)
3. They fail to take into account any tax breaks available that would reduce their taxes.

If you think you would have to pay 60% taxes under Obama's plan Woiyo, I will gladly do your taxes and take half of the savings from what you actually pay vs the 60% you think you will pay.

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Obama's plan will not decrease the deficit, will not create jobs and reinforces my belief that he has a socialist agenda in mind for you and me.

Remember, you get the govt you deserve.
You got what you deserved the last 8 years. Maybe the rest of us want something we deserve for 8.
Woiyo9
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 08:43 am
@parados,
Rolling Eyes
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 08:44 am
@Woiyo9,
You supported this war, though, right? You don't think you should have to pay for it?
Woiyo9
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 08:53 am
@FreeDuck,
Non sequitur , Duck.

Nice try, however!
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 09:09 am
@Woiyo9,
Woiyo9 wrote:

Rolling Eyes


I agree. Your 50% claim does deserve an eye roll.
Here's a couple more to go with yours.

Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Simple fact. You can not show you pay 50% of your total income in taxes unless you are purposely trying to pay that much.
Woiyo9
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 09:12 am
@parados,
Obama's socialist welfare plan will increase my total tax burden to close to 60%.

That includes TAXES to all Govt sources (not including FICA).

Go sharpen your pencil.
 

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