OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 06:48 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
Proof of sanity here
OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 07:34 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
Bill passes Senate. There is a bunch of crap added on, but apparently nothing approaching Billions. Thankfully, Dobbs is a moron.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 07:54 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
OBill, Actually that $700 billion was never that amount. Some pundits put it closer to $2 trillion.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 08:32 pm
Posted without comment:

Quote:
I actually thought of titling this post "This **** Ain't Right."

Alan Fishman, CEO of Washington Mutual for 17 days -- yes, that's right, days -- received a compensation package of $20 million for his time, including $11.6 million in severance for all of his long days of service to the highly successful company. You can't make this stuff up.

Check out the other outrageous severance packages in the article by Jonathan Turley. All for CEOs of companies that are failures. So much for the market rewarding competence and punishing ineptitude.

link
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Ticomaya
 
  0  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 08:36 pm
@barackman28,
barackman28 wrote:
Oh, please,Drew Dad. You have been on these threads for a while. If you have read most of Debra Law's comments,you have to admit that she is the most knowledgeable of all the posters on law. She beats Joe from Chicago by a mile.


Shocked

Laughing

OCCOM BILL
 
  0  
Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 10:43 pm
@Ticomaya,
Ticomaya wrote:

barackman28 wrote:
Oh, please,Drew Dad. You have been on these threads for a while. If you have read most of Debra Law's comments,you have to admit that she is the most knowledgeable of all the posters on law. She beats Joe from Chicago by a mile.


Shocked

Laughing


That was the post that proved dude isn't worthwhile for me. Now I don't see him anymore. Wink
JPB
 
  1  
Reply Thu 2 Oct, 2008 07:45 am
@OCCOM BILL,
you guys just need to know what a "possum" looks like.
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 2 Oct, 2008 11:11 am
For days I have read and heard about how everyone is against the bailout for this reason or that and that is why so many republicans and some democrats didn't pass the bill. Now they having another shot this time with magic words of tax cuts and other incentives. I hope it works.

I am wondering if people in congress are looking at the long term of the public turning on them for not doing something to ward off financial disaster when they could have. It won't matter to them that they were against it, when the crap hits the fan, everybody will be looking for blame and it will be those who stood in the way of the bailout. On the other hand even if they do vote and financial disaster still strikes, at least they got their back covered by at least trying. I mean just look at all the news, this thing ain't going to work itself out anytime soon. This is not just a wall street problem but something that is spreading into 'main street' and even into other countries.

Quote:
But the drumbeat of bad news rattled on. A government report said that orders to U.S. factories plunged by the largest amount in nearly two years as the credit strains smashed manufacturers with hurricane-like force.

Stocks declined on Wall Street early Thursday after the number of people seeking unemployment benefits rose last week to a seven-year high. The Dow Jones industrials fell by about 135 points, their fourth straight triple-digit move.

Bush said the issue is affecting employees and families across the country and that lawmakers "must listen" so confidence can be restored in markets and financial institutions.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081002/ap_on_bi_ge/financial_meltdown

Quote:
WASHINGTON " Barely a week after Europeans rebuffed American pleas to join in their bailout of the banking system, Europe now faces a financial crisis almost as grave as that in the United States " demonstrating how swiftly this contagion is spreading around the world.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/business/worldbusiness/01global.html?ref=worldbusiness
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 2 Oct, 2008 12:21 pm
@revel,
Car dealers are closing their shops all over the country; even favorite/popular car makers are losing sales by double-digits. Without credit, this economy will continue to tank; I'm just wondering how many small businesses have already closed shop, because they are the foundation of our economy. How many will be able to re-open and start again even when credit becomes available?
barackman28
 
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Reply Thu 2 Oct, 2008 02:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Let me know which car dealer in Chicago is closing up shop. I need a new car and would like to go to where I can get a good deal...Or are you just BSing?
barackman28
 
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Reply Thu 2 Oct, 2008 02:55 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
I didn't know Joe from Chicago had so many friends. And such articulate ones too. I don't believe I have ever read anything so profound as the post written by Ocomm Bill!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 2 Oct, 2008 02:58 pm
@barackman28,
I'm in no position to identify individual dealerships, but the simple fact that most car maker's sales have dropped by some thirty percent (that includes Toyota), and reports on car dealerships closing across the country (anecdotal from media reports) because people cannot get credit/funding, my conclusion is more right than wrong.

If you disagree, prove me wrong?
SYNRON
 
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Reply Thu 2 Oct, 2008 07:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I have never read that most car maker's sales have dropped by more than thirty percent. Do you have any evidence in that regard?
SYNRON
 
  1  
Reply Thu 2 Oct, 2008 07:28 pm
Is it true that the government thinks they will eventually get most of its bailout money back? That is what this morning's St.Louis Dispatch said.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 2 Oct, 2008 08:55 pm
@SYNRON,
Quote:
I have never read that most car maker's sales have dropped by more than thirty percent. Do you have any evidence in that regard?


CI is correct, if you don't believe it do research. I recommend Yahoo News Search.

Lazy people bug me
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hawkeye10
 
  0  
Reply Thu 2 Oct, 2008 08:58 pm
Quote:
Car dealers face the grim reaper
The credit crisis is slamming sales and sending operating costs for already strained auto dealers through the roof.
By Peter Valdes-Dapena, CNNMoney.com staff writer
Last Updated: October 1, 2008: 3:26 PM ET



NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- If you want to see how America's credit crisis is hitting the streets of your hometown, go to your local car dealer. Auto dealers depend on credit. They need it to run their stores and their customers need it to buy their products. From every angle, credit trouble hurts.

"I'm talking to dealers every day who are just hanging on," said Denny Fitzpatrick, Chairman of the California New Car Dealers Association and owner of Fitzpatrick Chevrolet Hummer in Concord, Calif.

There could be 300 to 400 fewer auto dealerships in America by the end of the year, predicted Paul Taylor, an economist with the National Automobile Dealers Association. In an ordinary year of economic growth, the industry adds 75 to 150 dealers, he said.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/30/autos/car_dealer_pain/index.htm?section=money_latest
bigredsshop
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2008 12:39 am
@hawkeye10,
Sure heres a link that keeps you thinking.
And who is the real liar this week?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiEWCnpNnBQ&feature=related
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OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2008 11:38 am
Bailout passes... Wall Street yawns... Confused
SYNRON
 
  1  
Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2008 11:46 am
@OCCOM BILL,
Well, if you call a 200 point gain a yawn. I predict that the Market will be close to 12,000 by the end of October. The smart money needed to know that the credit markets would not be clogged up. Most people are unaware that most businesses, even middle sized ones, need access to credit to meet their payrolls. The american public, the yahoos who cannot hold on to a job because they never finished high school who count in the millions, can tell you who the idiot is who won the american idol contest on the tube but cannot tell you that our financial system is based on credit.
parados
 
  1  
Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2008 11:53 am
@SYNRON,
Quote:
Well, if you call a 200 point gain a yawn. I predict that the Market will be close to 12,000 by the end of October.


I doubt it will reach that. We just got the first news today on job losses and a downturn in the economy. The next question is how bad will it really be. The market isn't going to bet against it within a month. It will be lucky if it stays at or around 11,000. My prediction is that all of it is priced in the market so the market will fluctuate a couple of hundred even 500 with good or bad news but will end the month at 10,500 where it is now.
 

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