barackman28
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 03:11 pm
@DrewDad,
Oh, please,Drew Dad. You have been on these threads for a while. If you have read most of Debra Law's comments,you have to admit that she is the most knowledgeable of all the posters on law. She beats Joe from Chicago by a mile.
Her comments are succinct yet involved. Her legal expertise is obvious in all of her posts. I can remember how she proved, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the only way the Supreme Court could have respected the Constitution was to codify Roe vs.Wade.

Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 03:16 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:
Other than suggesting that American workers need to work for less money while CEOs need to work for more money, what plan do you have to strengthen our economy and prevent further erosion of the middle class?


Nobody's suggesting that CEOs should make more money and the middle class less. This is the insipid classism we have been criticizing, we don't need to be on the side of any one class and the "us vs. them" idiocy is what I find so stupid and ugly. It reduces discussion about how to make things better for all to class conflict.

None of us here are on the side of CEOs vs. the working class. And I've given my suggestions for helping the middle class more already: I want to see the US invest heavily in education, technology, and R&D.

With service economies the greatest national resource is the human resource. To improve the American middle classes stake in the global pie they need to become more competitive, and competition isn't just about price but the relationship of value to the price.

I'd like to see universal higher education for Americans. Much poorer countries can do it, and there's no reason the US shouldn't be investing as heavily in its most important resource: the people.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 03:22 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Er... WTF?

Law school may have taught you how to argue, but apparently it didn't teach you how to think.
I'd wager 2 to 1 she didn't go to law school... unless she's suffered brain damage since then.

Btw, Debra, if I'm to be considered of Craven's ilk; you have yet to show my hypocrisy either. (I don' t care for the lines in the sand either.Wink)
Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 03:25 pm
Attacking me doesn't negate the message.

I understand exactly what you're saying:

As soon as the American worker becomes "more competitive," and their governmental representatives repeal wage and hour protections in order to make American workers more attractive to corporations, and the workers move back into the proverbial sweat shops, and the rich get richer, our economic problems in this nation will be solved. Our sweaters will be cheaper!

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/sea0232l.jpg
barackman28
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 03:28 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
How do you know she didn't go to law school? When Michelle Obama was at a fund raiser for her husband when he was running for the State Legislature( The fund raiser was in a white section of town), some haughty matron asked Michelle Obama if she had trouble keeping up with her husband's legalism.

I don't think you are aware, Occom Bill, that there are more women in law schools in the USA than men.
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barackman28
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 03:29 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
How do you know she didn't go to law school? When Michelle Obama was at a fund raiser for her husband when he was running for the State Legislature( The fund raiser was in a white section of town), some haughty matron asked Michelle Obama if she had trouble keeping up with her husband's legalisms.

I don't think you are aware, Occom Bill, that there are more women in law schools in the USA than men.
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barackman28
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 03:30 pm
@Debra Law,
That will NEVER happen when Barack Obama is President of the United States.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 03:36 pm
After unfettered capitalism has amply rewarded CEOs with multi-million dollar salaries for outsourcing our jobs and evading taxes, what will happen to the American worker who is losing his job and his home? Well, with those pennies he saved by buying cheap goods, he can afford this handy-dandy home in this up and coming neighborhood:

http://www.washingtonthenandnow.com/assets/montages/07_hooverville.jpg
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 03:37 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:

Attacking me doesn't negate the message.

I understand exactly what you're saying:

As soon as the American worker becomes "more competitive," and their governmental representatives repeal wage and hour protections in order to make American workers more attractive to corporations, and the workers move back into the proverbial sweat shops, and the rich get richer, our economic problems in this nation will be solved. Our sweaters will be cheaper!

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/sea0232l.jpg
Where do these idiotic conclusions come from? Do you really believe America has to meet the world at the lowest common denominator?
This is the kind of attitude that should make Smith's Wealth of Nations required reading in high school. We don't have to have less for others to have more. Service, creativity, etc. have value and accumulated value is wealth. Hence; more participants = bigger pie. The pie is virtually unlimited, so selfish defensive hording of it is precisely what creates and maintains the very economic gaps you claim to despise.
barackman28
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 03:48 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
Adam Smith is a dead white man. You really need to do some deconstruction.

Do you know who Adam Smith wrote for?
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 04:03 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
Don't you own a restaurant? Do you cater to the rich or the working class? How many people in your community need to lose their middle class jobs and their middle class homes before it affects your business?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 04:08 pm
Whew, thread is getting a little heated, lol

Cycloptichorn
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 04:41 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:

Don't you own a restaurant? Do you cater to the rich or the working class? How many people in your community need to lose their middle class jobs and their middle class homes before it affects your business?
Actually, I used to own two. Past tense. No one needed to lose their jobs or homes for me to lose those businesses. While I’m sure increasing costs and stagnant wages factored into it; I’m not into making excuses. Why do you ask? If it’s because you think my politics and/or world views are ME-centric, or should be, you are mistaken. I support a great many ideals that will do me no good personally. On the other hand; I remain confident that I can adjust to any climate and I’m more than willing to do so for the greater good.

Your employment stances strike me as misguided selfishness. If it’s other people (strangers) you’re concerned about; why does that concern end at an arbitrary line in the sand?
OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 05:14 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
CNN just reported that the Senate has added $150,000,000,000 worth of Pork to the measure. Shocked Are they out of their ******* minds?
I trust McCain will soon let us know their names, and making them famous.
rabel22
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 06:01 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
You dont really understand politics do you. Its called buying votes. Blame the republicans. Only 30 % of them voted for the bail out. Now that they can go back to thier districts and tell them look what I brought home the politicians will vote for it.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 06:06 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
OCCOM BILL wrote:

CNN just reported that the Senate has added $150,000,000,000 worth of Pork to the measure. Shocked Are they out of their ******* minds?
I trust McCain will soon let us know their names, and making them famous.


150 billion? I had heard that they tacked on 150 million, a tax break package that was passed last week. Is this separate?

Cycloptichorn
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 06:08 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:
I understand exactly what you're saying:

No. You think you know something, but you are mistaken.

I'll say it again: The best route is not to make rich people poorer, but to make everybody richer.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 06:15 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:

CNN just reported that the Senate has added $150,000,000,000 worth of Pork to the measure. Shocked Are they out of their ******* minds?
I trust McCain will soon let us know their names, and making them famous.


150 billion? I had heard that they tacked on 150 million, a tax break package that was passed last week. Is this separate?

Cycloptichorn
Nope. They were calling it 850 Billion During Lou Dobbs and dude was freaking out about it.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 06:34 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
Hmm, no mention of it yet on the web that I can find.

As Lou Dobbs is a f*cking moron, I will continue to look for additional sources...

Cycloptichorn
OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 1 Oct, 2008 06:46 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I can't find anything on it either... which is good. But I'm not crazy. Dude was going off about it. Really. Must be Miller Time. Drunk
 

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