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FINAL COUNTDOWN FOR USA ELECTION 2008

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 04:13 pm
Fox, would you like to see how desperate your side is getting?

Quote:
October 10, 2008

McCain calls Obama 'decent person,' is booed

McCain sort of can't win here.

Parnes reports from Minnesota:

A man in the audience stood up and told McCain he's "scared" of an Obama presidency and who he'd select for the Supreme Court.

"I have to tell you. Sen. Obama is a decent person and a person you don't have to be scared of as president of the United States," McCain said as the crowd booed and shouted "Come on, John!"


"If I didn't think I'd be a heck of a lot better, I wouldn't be running for president of the united states."

If it's not the Times editorial board jeering him, it's his own crowd.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/McCain_calls_Obama_decent_person_is_booed.html?showall

Even calls for decency are booed by the Republicans. There's a lot of hate and bigotry floating around out there. At least McCain figured out that he can't keep stoking it without being seen as the leader of it.

Cycloptichorn
sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 04:18 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Wow!

I'd seen stuff about silence when McCain talked about bipartisanship, reaching across the aisle, etc., but I hadn't seen this yet. Actually booing him!

Glad he said it, anyway. Think better of him than either tacitly or explicitly endorsing the stuff his crowds have been yelling lately.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 04:27 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

No big deal except that it strongly attaches Obama to still another shady organization/operation/group of folks and does give incentive to wonder how much his campaign is tolerating or encouraging or overlooking the dubious ACORN practices.

ACORN being shady is a matter of your opinion. I do not have enough facts to share that opinion with you. Obamas campaign paid a subsidiary money for a service. So what?
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 04:36 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I really dont think McCain is comfortable with the kind of anger that has been coming out at some of these rallies. You can kind of see it in his body language. Whatever I may think about him, I honestly believe that he doesnt like that kind of mob mentality. Palin on the other hand.... well, I dont know enough about her to say.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 04:38 pm
@FreeDuck,
FreeDuck wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

No big deal except that it strongly attaches Obama to still another shady organization/operation/group of folks and does give incentive to wonder how much his campaign is tolerating or encouraging or overlooking the dubious ACORN practices.

ACORN being shady is a matter of your opinion. I do not have enough facts to share that opinion with you. Obamas campaign paid a subsidiary money for a service. So what?


That 'service' is via an organization that is under investigation in more than a dozen states, has incurred numerous accusations, allegations, indictments, and convictions of flagrant voter fraud. Obama has a rather lengthy history of supporting that organization through boards on which he has sat and via the U.S. Congress, and via a huge contribution from his campaign. ACORN enjoys not-for-profit status which, by definition, requires it to be apolitical.

But perhaps you wish to retract your earlier statement that you care? It seems to me that you are among the ranks of the other Obama supporters who really don't seem to.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 04:41 pm
@Foxfyre,
Any organization involved in fraud in our voting system should be prosecuted to the highest penalties of our laws.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 05:09 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

That 'service' is via an organization that is under investigation in more than a dozen states, has incurred numerous accusations, allegations, indictments, and convictions of flagrant voter fraud.

Can you verify that the organization itself is under investigation and incurred indictments and convictions? If so, was that the case during the primaries?


Quote:
But perhaps you wish to retract your earlier statement that you care? It seems to me that you are among the ranks of the other Obama supporters who really don't seem to.

I believe I said it matters. And it does matter -- the facts, that is.

What I see are efforts to turn ACORN into some kind of scary organization. My understanding is that they register voters and advocate for poor people. The convictions I know of were of workers who ACORN themselves turned in. It might be interesting to see how the US attorney scandal plays into all of the drama about ACORN in the last election. Maybe I will go look for that.

According to ACORN they are required by law to turn in all completed registration forms. They claim they separate the ones that are clearly problematic and notify officials when turning them in. I dont know if that is true or not, but I am sure it can be verified.

When you look past all of the smoke, we do not have any cases of individuals actually voting under fraudulent registrations, do we? Even if there were , do you know how many people would have to be involved in order to actually change the outcome of the election? That is a pretty big conspiracy, and one that would be easily discovered.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 05:18 pm
@FreeDuck,
Quote:
I really dont think McCain is comfortable with the kind of anger that has been coming out at some of these rallies. You can kind of see it in his body language. Whatever I may think about him, I honestly believe that he doesnt like that kind of mob mentality. Palin on the other hand.... well, I dont know enough about her to say.


That just smoothes over the reason for the anger. It makes an assumption that the anger is irrational and thus to be condemned.

Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 05:19 pm
@FreeDuck,
Duck, I've already posted numerous sources re ACORN just a few hours ago. You apparently didn't read them along with concerns that the Ohio Secretary of State, the New Mexico Secretary of State and certainly others admit there is no way to catch all the fraudulent registrations. Also, once the registrations are locked, via state statute, they are unlikely to ever be caught. Once the registration process is locked via statute, it is virtually impossible to know whether there are fraudulent votes cast via fraudulent registrations.

But of course so long as this system favors Obama and other Democrats, as ACORN obviously does, there probably isn't much incentive to look too closely, is there. If the Republicans ever presumed to look the other way or defend any Republican or group favoring Republicans that were engaged in such activities, I would be outraged.

Every year both sides accuses the others of all sorts of things for which there is no basis. This time, there is a basis and I think all Democrats should be outraged by it rather than trying to blow it off, defend it, deny it, or pretend it isn't really a problem. If this is a close election, and your guy is declared the winner, you should want it to be clean, transparent, and without dispute for his sake. He will have the deck stacked against him from the beginning if there is any question whether he won honestly. (Just ask George W. Bush following the 2000 election.)
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 05:24 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Quote:
I really dont think McCain is comfortable with the kind of anger that has been coming out at some of these rallies. You can kind of see it in his body language. Whatever I may think about him, I honestly believe that he doesnt like that kind of mob mentality. Palin on the other hand.... well, I dont know enough about her to say.


That just smoothes over the reason for the anger. It makes an assumption that the anger is irrational and thus to be condemned.



Yes, yes it does.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 05:28 pm
@Foxfyre,
Quote:

Every year both sides accuses the others of all sorts of things for which there is no basis. This time, there is a basis


Laughing

Fox, you're killing me.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 05:35 pm
@FreeDuck,
Until McCain says he made a mistake in picking demagogue Palin, I will not believe a word he says. There are limits on what any veep candidate should be allowed to say. McCain's judgment continues his downward spiral as Palin continues her rhetoric to insight violence with lies and innuendos.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 05:39 pm
@FreeDuck,
Video.





Quote:
Indeed, [McCain] just snatched the microphone out the hands of a woman who began her question with, "I'm scared of Barack Obama... he's an Arab terrorist..."

"No, no ma'am," he interrupted. "He's a decent family man with whom I happen to have some disagreements."


http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/10/mccain_denounces_pitchforkwave.html

Thank you Senator McCain; but realize that this is what you have started with your campaign tactics.

Cycloptichorn
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 05:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
She doesn't mean it ci. You already think she doesn't know what she is talking about so how can you arrive at a conclusion like that on your own logic.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 05:40 pm
@Foxfyre,
Look, Fox, if I wanted to steal an election would it make more sense to fraudulently register 100,000 people and then figure out how to get those votes cast on election day? What would the logistics be like for something like that? Or would I rather gain control of the voting machines?

Fraudulent registrations are illegal, and I do understand the concern that dumping a lot of them at the last minute can slow the processing of valid registrations. I think it is the size of ACORNs operation that makes this such a problem. But I dont believe they are trying to set up a massive conspiracy to steal an election by registering Bugs Bunny. And I dont believe Obamas campaign paying for them to register voters during the primaries is any indication of shadiness on his part either.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 05:45 pm
Tweety just referred to the modern Republican party is a 'reverse Ellis Island. They take people who are several-generation Americans and de-Americanize them.'

Cycloptichorn
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 05:46 pm
@FreeDuck,
Quote:
Look, Fox, if I wanted to steal an election would it make more sense to fraudulently register 100,000 people and then figure out how to get those votes cast on election day?


It would if you have people who have no other way of thinking and are experts at it after donkey's years of practice. It's an ingrained habit with some people.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 06:19 pm
Quote:
Quote:
- Fraudulent registration forms do not constitute voter fraud.

Voter fraud only occurs if someone tries to improperly cast a vote. “It’s not voter fraud unless someone shows up at the voting booth on election day and tries to pass himself off as ‘Tony Romo.’ And who would try to do that?” wrote Rep. Jesse Jackson (D-IL). The Brennan Center for Justice noted that “there are no reports that we have discovered of votes actually cast in the names of [false] registrants.”

- In many states, organizations like ACORN are required by law to turn in every registration card they receive.


As the Wall Street Journal reported, “New Mexico law requires Acorn to turn in all applications, no matter how suspicious-looking, within 48 hours. Elections officials do their own quality control on registrations.” In fact, “under most state laws, voter registration organizations are required to turn in all the forms they receive.” Furthermore, ACORN explained in a statement that “for the past 10 months, any time ACORN has identified a potentially fraudulent application, we turn that application into election officials separately and offer to provide election officials with the information they would need to pursue an investigation or prosecution of the individual.”

When a department store calls the police to report a shoplifting employee, no one says the department store is guilty of consumer fraud. The same principle applies here. The small number of staffers who have submitted fraudulent forms are violating ACORN’s mission. Anyone caught defrauding should be prosecuted, and ACORN says it is assisting in that effort. ACORN should work harder to catch these employees and ensure that they are held responsible.


http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/10/acorn-reaction/

Just a bullshit distraction, Fox. Nothing more.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 06:31 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Troopergate report released, concludes that Palin abused her power.

Link to the report:

http://media.adn.com/smedia/2008/10/10/16/Branchflowerreport.source.prod_affiliate.7.pdf

That's a big pdf, btw.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 07:02 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Can you imagine what Palin would do as veep in terms of Abuse Of Power? Scary.
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