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@okie,

okie wrote:

All I had to do is see Charles Rangel's name on it, and my first gut reaction would be vote against it before even reading it.

Really. The guy who is under investigation for corruption and chairs the most powerful House Committees and who has been one instrumental in pushing for sub prime loans! Foxes guarding the henhouse for sure. The only thng that would have been more ludicrous would have been Barney Frank cosponsoring it.

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@Foxfyre,

Some of these guys are arrogance personafied. They have no shame, no concience. Only republicans are wrong and corrupt. I am kind of sick of the whole thing. I may have to just quit watching this debacle. And then we have McCain out there pleading for non-partisanship! Sheesh, if we don't recognize what caused this mess, and who caused it, how can it be fixed? Not a chance.

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Funny:

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

okie wrote:

All I had to do is see Charles Rangel's name on it, and my first gut reaction would be vote against it before even reading it.

Really. The guy who is under investigation for corruption and chairs the most powerful House Committees and who has been one instrumental in pushing for sub prime loans! Foxes guarding the henhouse for sure. The only thng that would have been more ludicrous would have been Barney Frank cosponsoring it.

Sub-prime loans are not the problem. It is the selling of those mortgages as securities, which were then AAA rated by corrupt ratings houses, to every sector of our financial industry, which has caused the problem.

Way to go to lengths to blame the Dems though, kudos.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

McCain had a bad interview today.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

You just confirmed, however, that they are at the root of the problem, regardless of how they were repackaged and sold. And if the people buying them were that stupid, and if they were mis-represented and repackaged wrongly, then yes, that presents additional problems as well, but still at the root is the original problem it seems to me.

By the way, I thought McCain did good and was correct. The questioners were phrasing the questions to try to ellicit the answer desired, but it didn't work. McCain is plainly tired of idiots that are ill informed.

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Another minor but telling example from the world of double standards and media bias:

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When Hillary Clinton told a tall tale about "landing under sniper fire" in Bosnia, she was accused of "inflating her war experience" by rival Democrat Barack Obama's campaign.

But the campaign has been silent about Obama's running mate, Joe Biden, telling his own questionable story about being "shot at" in Iraq.

"Let's start telling the truth," Biden said during a presidential primary debate sponsored by YouTube last year. "Number one, you take all the troops out - you better have helicopters ready to take those 3,000 civilians inside the Green Zone, where I have been seven times and shot at. You better make sure you have protection for them, or let them die."

But when questioned about the episode afterward by the Hill newspaper, Biden backpedaled from his claim of being "shot at" and instead allowed: "I was near where a shot landed." . . . .

. . . .FOX News has been asking the Obama campaign for details of the alleged shooting in Iraq ever since Biden was tapped to be vice president. Biden campaign spokesman David Wade promised an answer last week, but failed to provide one.

Meanwhile, the gaffe-prone Biden has again raised eyebrows with another story about his exploits in war zones - this time in Afghanistan. Biden said he will grill Republican rival Sarah Palin in Thursday's vice presidential debate about "the superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan where my helicopter was forced down."

"If you want to know where Al Qaeda lives, you want to know where Bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me," Biden bragged to the National Guard Association. "Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down, with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are."

But it turns out that inclement weather, not terrorists, prompted the chopper to land in an open field during Biden's visit to Afghanistan in February. Fighter jets kept watch overhead while a convoy of security vehicles was dispatched to retrieve Biden and fellow Senators Chuck Hagel and John Kerry.

"We were going to send Biden out to fight the Taliban with snowballs, but we didn't have to," joked Kerry, a Democrat, to the AP. "Other than getting a little cold, it was fine."

Biden never explicitly claimed his chopper had been forced down by terrorists. Nonetheless,

John McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said Obama-Biden officials have been less than forthcoming about Biden's dramatic war stories.

"They never explained Biden's helicopter story from last week - which is very similar to the story about getting 'shot at' in Baghdad," Rogers said.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/30/unlike-clinton-biden-gets-pass-saying-shot-iraq/

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And. . . .should the McCain campaign object to a moderator for the Thursday Veep debate now that it is known that on inaugeration day, her pro-Obama book will be released?

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@Foxfyre,

What do you call "now"? The book has been a known factor for months ... even here in Germany.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

And. . . .should the McCain campaign object to a moderator for the Thursday Veep debate now that it is known that on inaugeration day, her pro-Obama book will be released?

It was known when McCain agreed to the debate. The only people who didn't know, were the right-wing blogs, who now are looking for another excuse as to why Palin will do so poorly. And lo, you found one! Laughing

Cycloptichorn

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@Foxfyre,

Good ole Fox news. We don't just tell the facts, we make them up.

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Biden never explicitly claimed his chopper had been forced down by terrorists. Nonetheless,

That didn't stop Fox from implying he did say that though.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote: "Another minor but telling example from the world of double standards and media bias . . . "

You repeatedly try to sell the concept that McCain and Palin are equal to Obama and Biden, thus they deserve equal respect from the whole world. But these competing teams are not equal. The Republican party (to the embarrassment of the entire country) has given the world political stage to a bumbling pair of idiots who anyone with HALF a brain doesn't want anywhere near the White House. The problem with McCain and Palin isn't "double standards" or "media bias." The problem is that the Republican party is reaping what it sowed.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

What do you call "now"? The book has been a known factor for months ... even here in Germany.

Really? I wonder why it is just now showing up in the American media? And why haven't any of you from that side of the pond mentioned it?

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@Debra Law,

With the current crisis, it's a wonder more people are not aware of bragging McCain and his leadership skills and judgment.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote: "And. . . .should the McCain campaign object to a moderator for the Thursday Veep debate now that it is known that on inaugeration day, her pro-Obama book will be released?"

Were you wearing a white sheet and pointy hat when you wrote that?

God forbid that a respectable white person would write a book that positively reflects upon the success of up and coming African Americans in our national political system. But, she did write that book and what do you want to do? You want the mob to lynch her so she can't stand at moderator's podium on Thursday.

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@Foxfyre,

It's on the "official list" of books by Random House. Why should I or someone else mention that or any other book there?
(It's on amozone-germany's website since 10 days)

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@Debra Law,

oh . . . wait a minute . . . maybe you're not objecting to Gwen because she's a respectable white person who wrote a positive book about Blacks . . . maybe you're objecting because she's a BLACK person who wrote a positive book about Blacks.

http://elections.foxnews.com/img/ifill_gwen.jpg

What were you saying again, Foxfyre? Should the McCain campaign object?

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@Debra Law,

Debra Law wrote:

Foxfyre wrote: "And. . . .should the McCain campaign object to a moderator for the Thursday Veep debate now that it is known that on inaugeration day, her pro-Obama book will be released?"

Were you wearing a white sheet and pointy hat when you wrote that?

God forbid that a respectable white person would write a book that positively reflects upon the success of up and coming African Americans in our national political system. But, she did write that book and what do you want to do? You want the mob to lynch her so she can't stand at moderator's podium on Thursday.

Well I think it may possibly be official that Debra is in the employ of the Democrats or the Obama campaign because a intelligent, well educated person could not likely otherwise be persuaded to offer so insipid, convoluted, and non sequitur response within this context as this post of Debra's.

Meanwhile I do not pretend that the following link is to an unbiased source. But I suspect none of you will be able to come up with anything credible to dispute it. And Gwen's tone and facial expression in the Youtube clip tell it all.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76645

The McCain campaign may have made a big mistake allowing her to moderate tomorrow night. Or then again, they may be dumb like a fox as obvious partisanship on the side of the moderator could work against the Obama camp.

. . .edit: And oh look. Now Debra is further playing the race card.

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@Foxfyre,

Go ahead, Foxfyre . . . continue your verbal lynching of Gwen. Accusing me of using the "race card," doesn't erase the fact that you're trying to get a black woman who wrote a positive book about black politicians thrown off the moderator's stage.

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@Foxfyre,

You're just plain stupid!

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