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FINAL COUNTDOWN FOR USA ELECTION 2008

 
 
okie
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 08:24 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
I thought it was just used as the term is commonly used without innuendo too until I heard later that prior to this remark, the crowd was chanting to him "No pitbulls! No pittbulls!" That explains why the crowd whooped and hollered and rose to their feet when he said it. Changes the perspective doesn't it?

That does change the perspective.
It is my opinion that Michelle has very great influence over his thinking, and that Michelle very likely has a very very big problem with some other women. It was Hillary, now it could be Palin. You can feel the frost in the air.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 08:28 am
@Foxfyre,
Here's Chuck Todd on your idiocy, Fox -

Quote:


*** A different kind of political pork: Anyone else thinking that the McCain campaign -- who earlier this summer accused Obama of playing the race card -- is laughing at how easily they were able to bait some in the media to bite on this faux “lipstick on a pig” controversy? It's amazing the McCain campaign's ability right now to drive the talking point of the day (especially with Drudge and the tabloids), allowing them to win news cycle after news cycle. Any day the campaign is not about Bush, not about the economy, not about the fundamentals of this environment that make this an election favoring the Democrats is a good day for the McCain campaign. We'll see how easily the media takes the bait today on this McCain Web ad, which clearly distorts Obama’s line from yesterday. Conservative bloggers will pretend to be outraged and help drive this storyline today. Obama senior adviser Anita Dunn responded to the faux controversy with this statement: "Enough is enough. The Mc Cain campaign's attack … is a pathetic attempt to play the gender card about the use of a common analogy - the same analogy that Senator McCain himself used about Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's health care plan just last year. This phony lecture on gender sensitivity is the height of cynicism and lays bare the increasingly dishonorable campaign John McCain has chosen to run." Will Dunn's statement have the same effect that the McCain campaign's "enough" statement had on Team Obama regarding race?


He was neither naive, dumb, or intentionally insulting. You are merely practicing the politics of Faux outrage. In fact, I'm going to start referring to you as Fauxfire until you quit, because this is childish and stupid, fox.

The worst part is that you Republicans complained about the Dems doing this for years - until you have a female candidate. Now it's 'sexism! Sexism everywhere!' I don't care how you want to falsely interpret the statement, I highly doubt anyone is going to give a damn about such a stupid thing. And truly, what you and McCain are trying to do is exactly what Chuck Todd says: keep the conversation away from Bush and how close both McCain and Palin are to his idiotic and warmongering ways.

I pray to jeebus that Obama doesn't take the bait and apologize, Fauxfire. I hope he gets angry and lays into your idiot candidates. And I hope he brings up the extremely low morals of one who would run commercials about Obama and sex and little kids. F*cking sickening, and I'd love to hear you try to defend it, Faux.

Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 08:31 am
@Cycloptichorn,


The Video

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parados
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 08:38 am
@okie,
I would love to see the video that shows the crowd

1. chanting "no pitbulls"
2. Rising to their feet after the "lipstick" comment.

The video I have seen shows neither.
okie
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 08:40 am
@parados,
Me too. I took Foxfyre's word for it, but that would make all the difference on this gaffe. It would show intent, or probably no intent.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 08:46 am
@okie,
Yup. Cyclop posts yet another unlinked source to change the subject and/or play the 'whose is blackest?' game again which seems to be the only defense they have these days. Smile

I honestly can appreciate how the Obama-ite disciples want to defend him and make everything okay. But the guy is a walking gaffe machine who is so clearly revealing his weaknesses in his subject matter and demonstrating that he isn't the wonderful nice guy they want him to be. He can still win in November.

But I think those of us who are absolutely certain he is the wrong man for the job cannot let this stuff slide. We need to keep pointing out what we know and see and our impressions and defend our candidates with something substantive. That will be our best shot since Obama doesn't have a whole lot of substance going for him.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 08:52 am
@Foxfyre,
Here's the link -

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/10/1371831.aspx

I told you who wrote it, it shouldn't have taken someone who knows how to use google even a second to find it, sigh.

What 'stuff' can't you let slide, Faux? Surely you know that Obama was using a common phrase. Surely you can agree that Republicans have been deriding Dems for the politics of victimhood for a long time; have you given up on that?

You don't have anything substantive to defend McCain and Palin on; that's why you focus on stuff like this. It's like you live in a parallel universe, really.

Cycloptichorn

ps, the 'who is blackest game?' From the people who brought you 'Clinton did it!' as the universal defense? You're a hack, Faux, seriously.

Also, Obama is a black man, are you calling him a n*gger? I know, it's a common phrase, but you KNOW he's black, so you must have meant to be insulting. I'm reporting your post for racism, racist.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 09:06 am
Obama today was quite deriding of this Faux scandal, speaking about how this is just another part of the same ol' Republican playbook: McCain desperately doesn't want to talk about jobs and the economy, but instead stupid stuff. He was quite cutting.

Closing line -

Quote:
"Spare me the phony outrage, phony talk about change, we have real problems, we need real answers;
not distractions, diversions and manipulations."


Spare us, please, from this bullshit. Bravo Barack.

Cycloptichorn
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 09:12 am
@okie,
We know Barak spoke for at least a minute prior to his lipstick comment in which there was no chanting about "pit bulls."

The video I have seen cuts off shortly after his lipstick comment and before his fish comment which is a continuation of the thought and while there is applause and some cat calls I see no one leaping to their feet but all remain sitting.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 09:26 am
@mysteryman,
Who cares whether he made it up or not? Jollily singing a song about bombing another country is hardly presidential. I mean if you're a talk radio host you might pull stunts like that, but as candidate to be president of the USA? Seriously? Can you imagine Ike having done that, or FDR?
mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 09:26 am
Cyclo,
I havent seen it, so what "education ad" are you talking about?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 09:31 am
@mysteryman,
I won't link to it. But it basically claims that Obama's only legislative work dealing with education is a bill to teach sex education to kindergartners. The bill was ACTUALLY to teach them about inappropriate touching, in order to keep sexual predators at bay. The ad is offensive and highly misleading, not to mention inappropriate in the extreme.

******* disgusting behavior by the McCain campaign and they should be ashamed of it.

Cycloptichorn
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 09:31 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

We need to keep pointing out what we know and see and our impressions and defend our candidates with something substantive. That will be our best shot since Obama doesn't have a whole lot of substance going for him.


Clearly he does have substance, as evidenced by the fact that the McCain campaign (and you) only wants to talk about their fake outrage at Obama using a common analogy. The horrors! If he did not have substance, you all might actually be talking about issues. But why talk about issues and have an actual debate (that you might lose) when you can instead cry sexism and media bias.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 09:32 am
@nimh,
nimh wrote:

Who cares whether he made it up or not? Jollily singing a song about bombing another country is hardly presidential. I mean if you're a talk radio host you might pull stunts like that, but as candidate to be president of the USA? Seriously? Can you imagine Ike having done that, or FDR?


yes I can. But they didn't live in the information age. The internet knows all now.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 09:34 am
@mysteryman,
It's just a recycled old and ineffective Alan Keyes attack on him back in 2004. It takes his support for "age appropriate" sex education meant to protect children from sexual predators (by teaching them what are appropriate and inappropriate touches) and charging that he wants to teach the birds and the bees to kindergarteners.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 09:40 am
@FreeDuck,
FreeDuck wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

We need to keep pointing out what we know and see and our impressions and defend our candidates with something substantive. That will be our best shot since Obama doesn't have a whole lot of substance going for him.


Clearly he does have substance, as evidenced by the fact that the McCain campaign (and you) only wants to talk about their fake outrage at Obama using a common analogy. The horrors! If he did not have substance, you all might actually be talking about issues. But why talk about issues and have an actual debate (that you might lose) when you can instead cry sexism and media bias.


That's all I want to talk about? That's all you guys WILL talk about. I offered a discussion on taxes and economic policy. It was ignored. I offered a discussion on health care and nobody was interested in the nitty gritty on that. YOUR side continued to take slams at Bush, the GOP, McCain, and Palin and had no interest in defending Obama's position on anything. So, other than occasional diversions with the polling data, we're back to defending and countering the stupid stuff.

I would sincerely appreciate and welcome an offer of a discussion of a substantive issue from your side of the aisle. Please pick one and get us started.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 09:45 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Me too. I took Foxfyre's word for it, but that would make all the difference on this gaffe. It would show intent, or probably no intent.


I am just going by what I heard our local radio commentators talking about this morning and I believe somebody mentioned it also last night. I haven't been able to find a transcript of the speech including audience participation--Huffington Post usually posts transcripts of Obama speeches but has sort of omitted this one so far at least as of earlier this morning. If it happened, it would have been before the YouTube clip kicks in. If you google "No pitbulls, no pitbulls' though, you will see that this is a chant given at Obama rallies since the GOP convention.
sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 09:47 am
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
“John McCain says he’s about change, too " except for economic policy, health care policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy and Karl Rove-style politics,” Mr. Obama told his supporters here. “That’s just calling the same thing something different.”

With a laugh, he added: “You can put lipstick on a pig; it’s still a pig. You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change; it’s still going to stink after eight years.”

In the latest sign of the campaign’s heightened intensity, Mr. McCain’s surrogates responded within minutes and called on Mr. Obama to apologize to Gov. Sarah Palin for the lipstick remark. But to those in the audience, it was clear that Mr. Obama was employing an age-old phrase " lipstick on a pig " and referring to Mr. McCain’s policies. He had not yet mentioned Ms. Palin at that point of his speech.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/10/us/politics/10memo.html
sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 09:50 am
@sozobe,
And today:

Quote:
This happens every election cycle. Every four years. This is what we do. We've got an energy crisis. We have an education system that is not working for too many of our children and making us less competitive. We have an economy that is creating hardship for families all across America. We've got two wars going on, veterans coming home not being cared for -- and this is what they want to talk about! This is what they want to spend two of the last 55 days talking about.

You know who ends up losing at the end of the day? It's not the Democratic candidate, It's not the Republican candidate. It's you, the American people. because then we go another year or another four years or another eight years without addressing the issues that matter to you. Enough.

I don't care what they say about me, but I love this country too much to let them take over another election with lies and phony outrage and swift-boat politics. Enough is enough.


http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/obama_spare_me_the_phony_outra.php
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 09:50 am
The list of gaffes keeps growing:

http://www.gop.com/BarackGaffes/
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