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FINAL COUNTDOWN FOR USA ELECTION 2008

 
 
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2008 07:52 pm
@okie,
One thing that I notice is that McCain's numbers remained fairly constant during
the dual bounce gained from The Rock Star's European Tour and Denver convention.

The dual bounce that Palin's speech and Wisconsin convention netted McCain continues to grow while the chosen one looses ground...

The bottom line: Obama is in trouble.
okie
 
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Reply Sun 7 Sep, 2008 08:03 pm
@H2O MAN,
As Obama goes into the attack mode, this destroys his image of being a uniter, an above the fray kind of guy. Lets face it, he never has been a uniter above the fray kind of guy, you can't be as a Chicago politician.

And hey, we must remember, this guy had the gall to run when Hillary was the anointed one, after all, she deserved it, doesn't everyone remember that? After all, she endured being dissed and trodden upon as the faithful wife of Bill and corruption manager when Bill was galavanting around the world and inside the whitehouse. EVERYONE assumed it belonged to Hillary. They only gave credence to Obama because of THE SPEECH, only for publicity purposes and never dreamed he would have the nerve to run, and if he did, he would have no chance, but here he is. The Clintonistas underestimated how many people wanted somebody else instead of the Clintons.

So it will be interesting as Obama goes into attack mode, but I'm sure he is counting on the media to do most of the carrying the water for him in that regard.
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Woiyo9
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 06:10 am
@ebrown p,
That's one. Got any others?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 08:18 am
Good morning all. The market is soaring, at least for now, and the word from the more objective polling analysts is that the voters are beginning to look a bit more favorably at McCain re the economy now. (Obama has had an edge there for many months.) Maybe the bloggers who are doing more than throwing sh*t at the wall are actually beginning to have an effect and there is actually beginning to be a focus on the issues?

Wouldn't THAT be interesting?

Meanwhile, the campaign to destroy Sarah Palin continues. After reports from locals hearing from local Democrat leaders, I am absolutely 100% convinced that the Obama is behind it at least to some extent. You sure don't hear the messiah standing up and denouncing it; rather he just (again) says that this is not his position and he disapproves that sort of thing.

This morning Rasmussen report shows McCain and Obama still statistically tied, but there are other numbers I have observed moving that are interesting. For instance:
Quote:
McCain leads by four points among men while Obama leads by three among women. On Tuesday, when Obama’s lead peaked, he had a fourteen point advantage among women. . . .

Forty-one percent (41%) of voters say that they are certain they will cast their ballot for McCain and will not change their mind before November. Thirty-eight percent (38%) say the same about Obama. Overall, McCain is now viewed favorably by 60% of the nation’s voters while Obama earns positive reviews from 55% (see trends).


In the end it may be those statistics that make the difference.

RCP average has McCain up 1.2 this morning. Yesterday he trailed -.08 Both statistically insignificant but interesting to watch to see if there is a clear trend developing.


Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 08:31 am
@Foxfyre,
The Albuquerque Journal this morning says that Obama is now saying he will give the weathiest Americans a reprieve and may not rescind the Bush tax cuts if he is elected. He hasn't gone so far as to say he won't allow them to expire as currently scheduled. While allowing those tax cuts to expire is still alarming from an economic point of view, it is definitely telling that Obama sees that confidence in his economic plan is slipping. At the very least, it is another Obama flipflop to add to the growing list while he fishes for the most politically expedient positions to take.

(It's also a pretty good indication that we have to keep up with the candidates day by day and can't depend on the websites to tell it like it is.)
okie
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 08:42 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre, the taxcut issue is interesting, because Democrats have claimed that taxcuts do not help the economy, yet their actions speak otherwise. If they didn't think they helped, why would they talk about keeping the taxcuts to help the economy? They speak out of both sides of their mouth. Why don't they stick to their beliefs, if that is what they believe, that taxcuts only benefit the rich, that trickle down economics doesn't work, right? Alot of their words and actions are totally contradictory.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 08:55 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Foxfyre, the taxcut issue is interesting, because Democrats have claimed that taxcuts do not help the economy, yet their actions speak otherwise. If they didn't think they helped, why would they talk about keeping the taxcuts to help the economy? They speak out of both sides of their mouth. Why don't they stick to their beliefs, if that is what they believe, that taxcuts only benefit the rich, that trickle down economics doesn't work, right? Alot of their words and actions are totally contradictory.


Yup, real interesting. They HATE when we point out JFK's position about tax cuts spurring the economy and acknowledgment that increasing taxes can deepen a recession. Sadly, JFK was the last of the old style , honorable Democrats (fiscally speaking). I gave LBJ the benefit of the doubt but now see how much of his new style Democrat liberalism/socialism has been sooooooo misguided and, with a Democrat controlled Congress, Nixon/Ford were unable to reverse that. And I gave Carter the benefit of the doubt. After him I left the Democratic Party though.

Obama, of course, is clearly on the record that for him it isn't a matter of effect but a matter of fairness. I guess he has now decided maybe winning an election is more important than being 'fair'. Smile
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 09:07 am
Well, McCain certainly has got his bounce out of the convention. This is why I was cautioning others on Friday not to get too ahead of themselves re: the polling.

It will be interesting to see some state polling now. Most of the state polls we have are pretty out of date, and at this point I don't trust the state polling maps as much as I used to. I would predict that by the end of the week, we see a return to the parity we had before; but if not, Obama better start making news in one way or another, if he wants to turn this thing around. He'd be foolish to make the same mistake that Kerry did and wait for the debates without really taking the attack to his opponent.

Cycloptichorn
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 09:10 am
Just got this in my e-mail. I hunted up the link. I can't tell you how significant I believe this is. Finally, maybe just MAYBE the Fourth Estate has decided they need to regain some integrity and credibility????? That alone could significantly change the direction of this election. If the media does its job, neither McCain nor Obama can get away with hiding their records/associations/comments/opinions in advance of the election, and we won't have to dig that out of a mountain of innuendo and distortions and flat out lies.

I hope I hope I hope. (emphasis mine)

Quote:
Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews Booted From MSNBC Political Anchor Desk
September 8, 2008

Keith Olbermann may be the “voice” of MSNBC, but network executives have decided to yank the talkmeister off its politican anchor desk after the cable channel finishing dead last in the Nielsen rankings of all news coverage during the two weeks of political conventions.

The network announced Monday that Olbermann and Chris Matthews have both been booted as co-hosts on political night coverage in favor of David Gregory, whose White House press corps experience may make him better suited to deliver sober and less opinion-driven assessments of the news.

All summer, MSNBC executives have fought off complaints that Olbermann and Matthews, the network’s top commentators, could serve in the role of impartial newsmen. Those complaints reached a crescendo last week when Olbermann, reporting on the Republican National Convention from New York rather than St. Paul, apologized to the audience after the channel aired a Sept. 11 video tribute crafted by the RNC.

“We would be rightly eviscerated at all quarters, perhaps by the Republican Party itself, for exploiting the memories of the dead, and perhaps even for trying to evoke that pain again. If you reacted to that videotape the way I did, I apologize,” Olbermann said.

The network’s weak ratings during the conventions may have given MSNBC executives the cover they needed to boot Olbermann and Matthews. FOX News Channel topped all broadcast and cable networks with 9.2 million viewers on each of the last two nights of the convention. MSNBC got barely more than a quarter of Fox’s total "2.5 million viewers.

MSNBC also ranked last among the three cable channels during primetime coverage of the last two nights of the Democratic convention.

Olbermann’s hard left views and his catfights with other MSNBC hosts have been the talk of gossip pages all summer. Olbermann sarcastically dismissed Republican pundit Pat Buchanan on the air after Buchanan said the GOP had been enlivened by Sarah Palin’s vice presidential nomination.

“Those reading Us Weekly with the picture of her and her youngest daughter with the word ’scandal’ written across it won’t be so happy,” Olbermann said.

He also expressed no regard for the GOP’s push back against rumors about Palin’s personal life.

“We’ll see if people feel sorry for unfounded rumors on the Internet,” he said. “If that’s the case, Senator Obama’s probably standing up and cheering and waiting for people to feel sorry for him.”

Olbermann’s brash style may also have earned him enemies within his own organization. He was caught on microphones mocking another MSNBC host, Joe Scarborough, when Scarborough was discussing positive developments in McCain’s campaign.

“Jesus, Joe, why don’t you get a shovel?” he asked.

At another time, Matthews snapped at Olbermann on-air when it appeared Olbermann was criticizing him for talking too much. Matthews told TVNewser last week that he and Olbermann get along fine. It’s not clear when Matthews was informed of the decision to bounce him from the anchor spot along with Olbermann.

Asked about the internal fighting at MSNBC, NBC anchor Brian Williams tried to smooth ruffled feathers during an appearance on Comedy Central’s “The Daily Show” last week.

“Is there no control?” asked host Jon Stewart. “Is it ‘Lord of the Flies’?”

Williams replied that every family has a dynamic of its own.

“But does MSNBC have to be the Lohans?” Stewart said.

As a result of the internal turmoil, Gregory will now anchor MSNBC’s coverage of the presidential and vice presidential debates, as well as on election night, said network spokesman Jeremy Gaines.

Olbermann did score an interview with Barack Obama on his “Countdown” show. That is set to air Monday and will go up against Bill O’Reilly’s interview with Obama on FOX News. A portion of the O’Reilly interview with Obama aired last Thursday and earned O’Reilly his second highest rating ever, with more than 6.6 million viewers.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/08/msnbc-hosts-olbermann-matthews-booted-from-political-night-duties/





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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 09:14 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Well, McCain certainly has got his bounce out of the convention. This is why I was cautioning others on Friday not to get too ahead of themselves re: the polling.

It will be interesting to see some state polling now. Most of the state polls we have are pretty out of date, and at this point I don't trust the state polling maps as much as I used to. I would predict that by the end of the week, we see a return to the parity we had before; but if not, Obama better start making news in one way or another, if he wants to turn this thing around. He'd be foolish to make the same mistake that Kerry did and wait for the debates without really taking the attack to his opponent.

Cycloptichorn


From what I'm reading, he's sending lots of surrogates out to the states to do his attacking for him. He's above that sort of thing after all. Don't worry. The Obama campaign will get in a lot of licks and his disciples will be doing their part to ensure that Sarah Palin is smeared and slimed with as much as they can find or make up to slime her with.
okie
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 09:20 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Well, McCain certainly has got his bounce out of the convention. This is why I was cautioning others on Friday not to get too ahead of themselves re: the polling.
Cycloptichorn

Admit it, cyclops, you've been crowing about Obama having this in the bag for months, every day almost, right here on this forum.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 09:21 am
@Foxfyre,
You quote the Journal here, Foxfyre (from page A7).

Coming back to yesterday's discussion with oe, about healthcare, you perhaps missed the "UpFront" on the frontapage and page A2 of your home newspaper:

"Want Health Care Reform? Don’t Take ‘No’ for an Answer":

Quote:
[...]We talk endlessly about uninsured children in New Mexico, when the far bigger problem is working adults who make too little to afford insurance and too much to qualify for public help. We fret about insurance company administrative costs, which in New Mexico were about 11 percent of premium dollars last year, and spend no time on the accelerating salaries and mind-boggling waste spurring medical costs, which were about 84 percent of premium dollars.

Partly it’s because we also talk about implementation details instead of the values that we citizens want a health care system to reflect.

What we look like

In Britain right now, the national health system is falling apart, for the same reason our system is struggling. It costs too much. The British ration care by withholding services and making people wait. Americans ration care by allowing 47 million people to have no insurance.

Polling shows that the British will accept the waits and the lack of services as long as everybody has the same wait and the same lack of services. Egalitarianism is a value system, and the health system reflects it.

Polling in the United States shows that most people dislike the nation’s health system in the abstract but rather like their own care. Arithmetic shows that, if 47 million Americans have no coverage, about 250 million do.

Our continuing inactivity shows that 47 million uninsured is consistent with our value system.

Therefore, I have a modest legislative proposal of my own: Since we don’t do what is required to cover the uninsured, let us ban, by law, the use of the word “uninsured” until we’re serious about solving the problem.

Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 09:29 am
@Walter Hinteler,
No I didn't miss it Walter. (For the benefit of the others on the thread, his clip is from an opinion piece by Winthrop Quigley who contributes to the Journal from time to time. IMO sometimes he makes sense. Sometimes he doesn't.)

I do think the discussion of healthcare yesterday addresses his points, however, and he would have been more credible if he had at least referenced what the two Presidential candidates are proposing and looking to see if they might provide some solutions to the problems he sees. I don't give much time to those who can only state the problems and cast blame for them but don't want to do the hard mental work required to determine the best possible solutions for those problems.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 09:30 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Well, McCain certainly has got his bounce out of the convention. This is why I was cautioning others on Friday not to get too ahead of themselves re: the polling.
Cycloptichorn

Admit it, cyclops, you've been crowing about Obama having this in the bag for months, every day almost, right here on this forum.


Well, I still think he's the clear favorite to win. But McCain has reached his highest levels of the race so far, and if he maintains these levels, Obama most certainly will not be the clear favorite to win any longer.

Cycloptichorn
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 09:37 am
Obama is still the favorite according to Vegas and via Rasmussen's own odds making system:

Quote:
The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator currently shows Obama leading in states with 193 Electoral College votes while McCain leads in states with 183 votes (see Quick Campaign Overview). When leaners are included, it’s Obama 264, McCain 247 (see 50-State Summary).

Data from Rasmussen Markets currently gives Obama a 52.0% chance of winning in November.


That 52% is down a significant amount from earlier odds though, so the race is beginning to get closer so far as the odds go. It will be interesting to see if the numbers change now that we're in the home stretch.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 09:38 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:



Well, I still think he's the clear favorite to win. But McCain has reached his highest levels of the race so far, and if he maintains these levels, Obama most certainly will not be the clear favorite to win any longer.



McCain's rise has just begun and Obama's fall should continue... especially after he debates McCain.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 09:45 am
Oh, and as a reminder to everybody, from that MSNBC article I posted a bit ago:

Quote:
Olbermann did score an interview with Barack Obama on his “Countdown” show. That is set to air Monday and will go up against Bill O’Reilly’s interview with Obama on FOX News. A portion of the O’Reilly interview with Obama aired last Thursday and earned O’Reilly his second highest rating ever, with more than 6.6 million viewers.


I'm going to watch one and tape the other for comparison. Smile
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 11:04 am
@Foxfyre,
Also this just in:
Quote:
Gov. Sarah Palin will sit down with ABC News' Charlie Gibson for her first interview since winning the Republican vice presidential nomination, the network's news division confirmed today.
ABC hasn't announced the airing date as yet.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 11:17 am
@Foxfyre,
Well, "just" depends a bit on your sense of time Wink

According to AP - posted 13 hours ago - "Palin will sit down for multiple interviews with Gibson in Alaska over two days, most likely Thursday and Friday, said McCain adviser Mark Salter".
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 8 Sep, 2008 11:20 am
@Walter Hinteler,
My bit was from the ABC website:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=5747205&page=1
Near the end is "ABC News did not release details of when the interview would take place"
 

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