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The Republican Convention kicks off Tuesday 9-2-08

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2008 04:36 pm
On a positive note, we'll see if Fred Thompson comes through with one of his barn burners on behalf of Sarah tonight--something he couldn't quite get done on his own behalf, but I don't think his heart was ever in his own campaign. I think it might be now.

And also this:

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Posted: September 02, 2008

The risk John McCain took last Friday is comparable to the 72-year-old ex-fighter pilot knocking back two shots and flying his F-16 under the Golden Gate Bridge.

McCain's choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be his co-pilot was the biggest gamble in presidential history. As of now, it is paying off, big-time.

The sensational selection in Dayton, Ohio, stepped all over the big story from Denver " Barack Obama's powerful address to 85,000 cheering folks in Mile High Stadium, and 35 million nationally, a speech that vaulted him from a 2-point deficit early in the week to an 8-point margin. Barack had never before reached 49 percent against McCain.

As the Democrats were being rudely stepped on, however, Palin ignited an explosion of enthusiasm among conservatives, evangelicals, traditional Catholics, gun owners and Right to Lifers not seen in decades.

By passing over his friends Joe Lieberman and Tom Ridge, and picking Palin, McCain has given himself a fighting chance of winning the White House that, before Friday morning, seemed to be slipping away. Indeed, the bristling reaction on the left testifies to Democratic fears that the choice of Palin could indeed be a game-changer in 2008.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=74137
old europe
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2008 04:40 pm
@Foxfyre,
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The risk John McCain took last Friday is comparable to the 72-year-old ex-fighter pilot knocking back two shots and flying his F-16 under the Golden Gate Bridge.


Wait. Is that supposed to be a good thing...?
ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2008 04:40 pm
@old europe,
That is a riot!
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2008 04:41 pm
@ebrown p,
ebrown p wrote:

Stop your whining Foxfyre!

I don't see any prominent "liberal Democrats" launching "hateful attacks" against Palin's daughter.


So you're okay with Cyclop's point of view here?
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Yaknow what? I don't care about any of this. We will use whatever we have to to win.


Do you share it? You do think Palin's 17-year-old daughter and the rest of her family who are not campaigning on her behalf should be off limits? Or not?

Is it okay for Nancy Pelosi to have been in Congress forever even though she has five kids? Is it okay for Barack Obama to put his family, including two young children, through the rigors of a campaign?

The Republicans were not running viscious attacks against Barack's family trying to blunt any effect of the Democrat Convention. And you didn't find ANY negative ads run on Obama's big day. I just wonder if there are Democrats left with that sense of fair play?
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2008 04:45 pm
@teenyboone,
teenyboone wrote:

Who says they're liberal democrats, as you say. There's a bunch of Green Party and unaffiliated anarchists! Why are the Repugs blaming the Democrats for Palin's sketchy background? Is the first baby the daughter's also? I'm reading a lot online and hearing this on CBS, NBC. PBS and CNN! Cool


Anybody who cares knows that there is plenty of evidence that Governor Palin's baby is her baby. Even that rag the Daily Kos finally admitted that. But that doesn't quiet the rumors or the rumor mills does it? And what difference does that make as to her qualifications anyway?

The Republicans are not blaming Democrats for Palin's sketchy background. They are blaming Democrats and their surrogate media for attacking Palin on issues that have nothing whatsoever to do about her background. As for how she has governed and her track record there, you bet it is all fair game. Anything she has done contrary to what she now says is also fair game.

Hateful, malicious innuendo and lies that go far beyond the ignorant crap that bloggers put out there every day are not okay. And they should not be tolerated by anybody.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2008 04:47 pm
@Foxfyre,
It's not that they are off-limits (though the Obama campaign has said they are), it's that they are immaterial. Palin has a wealth of scandals and problems in her past that have nothing to do with her knocked up daughter.

Her husband is fair game, you guys have been going after Michelle Obama since day one.

BTW, the Republicans DID run a negative ad on last Thursday.

I don't give a fig for your concern trolling of the Dem party's tactics. Palin brought this attention on herself when she decided to inject herself into the national media. You know as well as I do that the media are sharks and will go wherever there is blood; when the Rev. Wright deal came out, they replayed it constantly on TV and us on the left couldn't stop groaning about how unfair it was. Now, you get your turn to groan about how unfair it is.

I actually don't think that any liberal group has released an ad claiming that Palin is unfit to lead, based on any of her personal problems. And I doubt you can produce one. The base of the party, the online groups, are not under the control of the campaigns; you lump them all together when it is convenient for you to do so.

You ought to start facing the fact that the Hail Mary pass isn't working out. Palin was a mistake. Her political problems and un-vetted past are haunting her. The daughter thing, heck - that's nothing compared to the fact that her husband Todd was a member of a radical, secessionist group called the AIP from 1995-2002; that she tried to use her power as Governor inappropriately; that she ran her town's finances into the ground; that she was an earmark pig until it became unpopular; and that she's a liar about several instances in her life; that she had a business closed by the state for not filing the proper paperwork last year; that she instituted 'loyalty tests' on everyone in the town she was elected in, and tried to fire the librarian when she wouldn't ban books from the library; that she prays to god for oil and gas pipelines and thinks evolution should be taught in science class; that she doesn't understand the history of the pledge of allegiance; and I could go on. I'm sure by the end of the week we will know more.

Cycloptichorn
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2008 04:48 pm
@Foxfyre,
I agree with Barack Obama...

Governor Palin's daughter is a non-issue and should have no bearing on the campaign.

Conservative hypocrisy is a fair issue... but, the interest of respecting this girls privacy (and the incredibly difficult and now very public position she has been put in), this particular case should be left alone.

There are plenty of reasons that Palin is "uniquely unqualified" for the position. From what I have seen, the Democrats (including us liberal ones) have been focusing our attacks on issues such as her record of attempts to ban books, her lobbying efforts, her staunch anti-choice positions, her misleading claims of travel etc. etc. etc.




old europe
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2008 04:52 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
The Republicans were not running viscious attacks against Barack's family trying to blunt any effect of the Democrat Convention. And you didn't find ANY negative ads run on Obama's big day. I just wonder if there are Democrats left with that sense of fair play?


Oh, please.

What Democrats are you talking about, exactly? Some bloggers on the internet? Some dude writing on a website?

I mean, hasn't Obama said that anybody on his campaign who would be found using this would be fired immediately? Hasn't Obama said that the daughter should be off limits?

I mean, congratulations to the McCain campaign for not smearing Obama's extended family. But if you're complaining about Obama supporters (whatever that means), I hope you have the same standard for McCain supporters.

For months we've seen his extended family questioned, smeared, ridiculed on the internet and in smear e-mails. And yes, we have seen that happen to Cindy McCain, too.


But we don't see you congratulate Obama for his stance on this matter - because you don't support him.


If you held both sides to the same standard - fine. But hey, that's not what you're doing. You're whining and complaining because people are looking into the story of the person your guy has picked as Vice Presidential candidate.... tough luck.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2008 04:57 pm
@old europe,
Now, the AP is reporting that the kid who knocked her up is being flown into MN to appear on-stage with the family.

...

Fox, they are making themselves fair game with this ****. They are using their daughter at this point. Pimping her. ******* disgusting.

Cycloptichorn
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2008 04:57 pm
@ebrown p,
I have no problems discussing Palin's qualifications to govern. That is fair game. I have no problem with those who think she is unqualified. I would agree that she is unqualified to be President. Most vice presidential picks are. But with the experience and qualifications she brings to the mix, two to four years as vice president and she will be ready.

Meanwhile, Obama is imminently unqualified to be President now and, if he is elected, won't have any opportunity for training.

But the imminently hateful sexist and personal attacks the Dems are leveling at Palin are over the top trying to scuttle the GOP Convention are over the top. And again, I think decent people don't appreciate such as that.

Thank you for saying the daughter should be off limits. I agree whole heartedly.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2008 04:59 pm
@Foxfyre,
I'd like to hear you explain why Obama is unqualified, but McCain is...

Cycloptichorn
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2008 05:00 pm
@ebrown p,
ebrown p wrote:
I agree with Barack Obama...

Governor Palin's daughter is a non-issue and should have no bearing on the campaign.


I also wanted to add that I agree with Obama here. Her daughter should be off limits. If the issue of underage pregnancy, single moms, abstinence-only programs etc. etc. should be brought up, then in the context of where McCain and Palin are standing on these issues, what their point of view is, and what policies they are advocating. That's relevant. The rest isn't.


I just can't stand these complaints about how the blogosphere or the media are treating the poor Palin family. Sure, there's nasty stuff that will come up.

Was that completely unexpected? No. It was totally clear that somewhere, somebody would come up with some really nasty, despicable stuff. That's what happened to McCain, to Cindy McCain, to Obama, to Michelle..... and when Obama picked Biden as a running mate, it was clear to everyone that Biden would be in the public light, too.

Acting as if this was some kind of surprise, as if it came totally unexpected, and as if this could only happen to the Republican running mate and nobody else, because the internet and the media are all minions of the Democratic party - that's the stupidity.
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2008 05:02 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Now, the AP is reporting that the kid who knocked her up is being flown into MN to appear on-stage with the family.


Great.

<rolls eyes>

Well, according to Foxfyre, that means she's now a legitimate target....
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2008 05:03 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
But the imminently hateful sexist and personal attacks the Dems are leveling at Palin are over the top trying to scuttle the GOP Convention are over the top.


Name one example of anybody in the Democratic campaign who is "levelling hateful sexist and personal attacks at Palin".

One example.

Then we've got something to discuss.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2008 05:10 pm
@old europe,
Name me anyplace that I said anybody in the campaign is leveling hateful sexist and personal attacks at Palin. There are lots and lots of Democrats who aren't associated with the campaign.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2008 05:24 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
But the imminently hateful sexist and personal attacks the Dems are leveling at Palin are over the top trying to scuttle the GOP Convention are over the top. And again, I think decent people don't appreciate such as that.

Thank you for saying the daughter should be off limits. I agree whole heartedly.


I believe your blanket attack on the Dems is unwarranted. Of course, they're going to discuss the issue as it pertains to Palin's political stance on abstinence only programs. If such a program didn't work for Palin's own daughter, how can the rest of America expect such programs to work for their daughters?

On the other hand, George Bush launched a particularly vicious smear campaign against his rival, McCain, in the 2000 primaries. Bush's strategist, Karl Rove, circulated this factually false-based poll: "Would you be more or less likely to vote for John McCain if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?" This was directed at McCain's adopted daughter, Bridget. Why wasn't she off limits? I just don't see your attack on Democrats as coming from any place of moral superiority. Your partisan criticism is dripping with hypocrisy.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2008 05:27 pm
@Debra Law,
Funny enough, the guy who spearheaded that vile attack on McCain - Tucker Eskew - has been hired by McCain to help with his current campaign.

His soul is officially rotted away...

Cycloptichorn
eoe
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2008 05:33 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:

I believe your blanket attack on the Dems is unwarranted. Of course, they're going to discuss the issue as it pertains to Palin's political stance on abstinence only programs. If such a program didn't work for Palin's own daughter, how can the rest of America expect such programs to work for their daughters?


This is the rub for me. Palin campaigned on these issues, abstinence only programs, no sex education taught in school, no availability of birth control, and now she's got the result of that "head in the sand" behavior staring her in the face.

How can she insist that this is the way to go when it obviously didn't work with her own daughter?

And I'm taking bets on whether these two kids actually get married.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2008 05:50 pm
@eoe,
There are plenty of parents who provide education, condoms, access to other birth control, are 100% pro choice, yadda yadda and wind up with pregnant teenage daughters. I have two in my family just in the last few years--very liberal pro choice parents - one married before the baby was born; one didn't. Neither opted for abortion even thought their parents would have fully supported them in that choice.

Abstinance only worked darn well many years ago when I was a teenager. Sex education was practically nil and the schools certainly handed out no form of birth control or provided any information on birth control. And yet pregnancies were extremely rare.

I think forming a judgment re Sarah Palin because of a choice her daughter made just isn't reasonable.

(And I have made no blanket attack. I have condemned those Dems who think it is okay to be hateful and moralistic and judgmental and sexist re Palin when you know they would stand for no such thing re one of their own.

H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 2 Sep, 2008 05:51 pm
@eoe,
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