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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 08:08 pm
@parados,
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I guess they don't have the word "oxymoron" in ionus' dictionary.
I guess they dont have the word science in parados's dictionary.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 08:11 pm
@spendius,
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when you had my post to consider?
He cant consider your post spendi....it goes against his narrow limited thinking. Did you ever wonder why a person who is more comfortable around rocks than human beings would consider themselves knowledgable about psychology, theology, sociology, etc...enough to advise the whole human race ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 08:16 pm
@farmerman,
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The word Arcaean , in itself doesnt mean "old".... the root word ARCHAEAO which does mean old
Maybe it all hinges on the inverted commas.....but given your ability to spell, type and construct coherent sentences I am sure you will understand if no-one believes your dribble to defend the stupid.

Gomer the Turd must seek help.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2010 03:19 am
@Ionus,
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Maybe it all hinges on the inverted commas.....
Actually, it hinges on the fact that your head is up your ass and you cant see the world at all.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2010 04:16 am
@farmerman,
What it hinges on is fm's refusal to debate anything significant. He's bolted from a post of mine. Again. Some scientist eh?

These brilliantine words he uses are meaningless and irrelevant to a debate about the teaching of the fundamentalist materialism of evolution theory to schoolkids. The subtext being to try to render artificial birth control, pre-marital sex, divorce, adultery, homosexuality, abortion and eugenics respectable.

Fat chance. Going on 50,000,000 abortions since Roe/Wade and nearly all a big secret and most a source of everlasting and growing shame.

If you say the average US population from R/W to now was 250 million then there were 125 million females. Of these about 30 million were below the fertility threshold and 55 million above it. Leaving 40 million women within the fertility period. And these have been subjected to nearly 50 million abortions. Now I know this is oversimplified because of women maturing through the process but the point I'm making is that today it is perfectly reasonable for a chap eyeing up a lady to wonder if she has had an abortion. You can double the number to 80 million to account for women maturing through those years and it is still reasonable for the chap to wonder.

At $1,000 dollars a time there is a £50 billion industry in abortions and only the transcendent powers could estimate the subsequent costs.

Incidentally, it is also reasonable for him to wonder if she is diseased.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2010 08:04 am
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How Science Museums Are Promoting Civil Religion-Science Dialogue
(Alan I. Leshner, The Huffington Post, October 2, 2010)

One of the most impressive aspects of the human origins exhibit at the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History -- along with the only Neanderthal skeleton in the United States and realistic reconstructions of our ancestors -- is the completely interactive character of the hall. Visitors are encouraged to engage with trained volunteers, create self-portraits of themselves as early hominids, and, most importantly, to question what it means to be human.

The exhibit -- including a wealth of physical evidence, from fossilized skulls to stone tools -- reveals without ambiguity how hominids have gradually evolved over millions of years. Of course, this evidence stands in sharp contrast with the creationist view that God created the Earth and all its inhabitants, virtually simultaneously, between 6,000 and 10,000 years ago.

Yet curator Richard Potts reports, anecdotally, that visitors representing diverse worldviews generally seem to enjoy the exhibit without incident. Docents routinely have mutually respectful conversations with visitors from conservative Christian schools where human evolution is not being taught. Potts points out that many such visitors "can be excited about the discoveries of science." Enthusiasm for science then sets the stage for increasing visitors' level of comfort with science and the nature of scientific evidence.

The Smithsonian exhibit offers important lessons on promoting civil dialogue about scientific issues that impinge on worldviews. The Washington, D.C.-based institution is of course not alone in its quest to reach out to the public in meaningful ways. In New York City, for example, the Anne and Bernard Spitzer Hall of Human Origins at the American Museum of Natural History supports an extensive array of public programs.

But as the Association of Science-Technology Centers gears up for its annual conference in Hawaii next week, October 2-5, it seems a fitting time to review one successful exhibit's strategies for engaging the public with science, particularly related to human origins.

First, though, a few paragraphs on why public engagement with science is so essential at this point in American history: After all, creationist views are non-scientific. So some in the scientific community may understandably question why scientists should bother to engage with those who view Genesis as a literal description of creation. This argument suggests that science and religion simply inhabit different domains, and therefore scientists need not concern themselves with anyone who refuses to accept the facts of human evolution.

But ignoring any large component of the U.S. public endangers public support for science and science education. Surveys have shown fairly consistently that "approximately 40%-50% of the public accepts a biblical creationist account of the origins of life, while comparable or slightly larger numbers accept the idea that humans evolved over time," according to the Pew Research Center for People & the Press.

It's important to remember, as Potts has noted, that many such polls may tend to "emphasize the conflict mode" by asking respondents to choose one absolute statement versus another, whereas public views may often be more nuanced. (In fact, it would be a mistake to assume that most religious believers insist that a literal reading of Genesis is the most correct one. Many believe that the science of evolution explains the "how" of human origins, but not necessarily the "why" or "who.")

Still, many people clearly do question the scientific theory of evolution, and the integrity of K-12 science education has repeatedly come under attack as legislative efforts have been introduced to undermine the teaching of evolution. As explained by the National Center for Science Education, so-called "academic freedom" bills purport to unleash teachers to discuss a "range of scientific views," and/or to encourage students to explore the "strengths and weaknesses" of information about evolution, human origins, and sometimes also global climate change, as in South Dakota. For example, the Louisiana State Education Act now stipulates that teachers may use "supplemental textbooks and other instructional materials to help students understand, analyze, critique, and review scientific theories in an objective manner." In other words, teachers in Louisiana are encouraged to call the scientific facts of evolution into question.

Such insults to science education are particularly alarming as the U.S. economy remains fragile. As science and technology are increasingly tied to every aspect of modern life, economic progress will be ever more linked to science literacy. An estimated 50 percent of America's economic growth since World War II has been directly tied to advances in science and technology.

It is possible to counter the dangerous polarization within our society related to science-religion issues, as demonstrated by the Smithsonian's David H. Koch Hall of Human Origins. A key to the exhibit's success, Potts says, was the decision to center the exhibit around a question rather than an answer: "What does it mean to be human?" (Similarly, The Exploratorium in San Francisco presents information about human origins by asking, "How do we know what we know?")

This central question has triggered a fascinating range of anatomical, behavioral, spiritual and philosophical responses. One resident of Illinois wrote, for example, that being human means "to walk on two feet, to think in abstract terms, to imagine." Yet the same question prompted another Illinois resident to assert that "we all walk this earth as part of God's creation and part of our Father in Heaven." Still others cited the importance of "learning and discovering many things that we don't know" and the need to "care with tenderness, while not seeking recognition."

Potts and his colleagues also established a Broader Social Impacts Committee. The committee -- encompassing Buddhist, Christian, Hindu, Humanist, Islamic and Jewish perspectives -- is charged with helping the museum promote public dialogue, particularly on issues "at the intersection of scientific findings and religious reflection." For example, Potts says, the committee has helped the museum answer public queries that go beyond science, and they also participate in decisions related to the training of staff and volunteers.

Training for the exhibit's 120 or so volunteers emphasizes "the importance of a respectful and welcoming place where a conversation can take place about the nature of evidence, the process of science and how people relate science to their religious views of the world," Potts explains. "We try to lower the temperature if it ever gets high." Toward that end, town hall-style public discussion groups regularly take place inside the National Museum of Natural History. Special "hot topic" events focus on a science-religion issue on the last Friday of every other month. Interactive resources on the museum's Web site also help visitors feel at ease before they set out to tour the exhibit.

All of these and other tactics have allowed the museum to move "beyond the stereotype that scientists only believe one thing and people with strong religious views can only believe another," Potts says.

The Smithsonian's Hall of Human Origins is only one case study in how science centers are successfully engaging the public on issues at the intersection of science and religion. By the way, I'm delighted that similar public-engagement strategies will be broadly leveraged during the USA Science & Engineering Festival, which will culminate October 23-24 with an expo on the National Mall. Among the many activities at the expo is, for example, an "Evolution Thought Trail" organized by a multidisciplinary coalition of scientific organizations.

The Association of Science-Technology Centers represents 600 members and 444 science centers and museums in 45 countries. The group estimates that 59.4 million visits were made to 342 member institutions in the United States in 2009. Those numbers represent a wealth of opportunities to engage the public with science, thereby easing tensions at the interface of science and religion.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2010 10:51 am
Excellent article, Wandel--although i don't think it it the community of the religious in general who threaten scientific research funding, but the militant extremists among politically active christians. I question whether civility and the attempt at dialog would mitigate their hostility to science in general and the filed of evolutionary research in particular.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2010 01:51 pm
@Setanta,
I thought that Mr Potts' remarks were quite science friendly and generous in their recognition of the importance of science in American education and national life generally. The only fault they display is that they are stating the obvious and are unexceptionable to almost everybody.

I can't think what caused them to make Setanta dredge up his reference to "militant extremists among politically active christians". I don't know that such a group exists except in the imagination of those needing to set their own sitting duck on the branch with the exact characteristics required of it. It might be useful if Setanta would identify the people he is referring to who have a "hostilty to science in general and the field of evolutionary research" in contradistinction to a hostilty to some scientists who promote certain attitudes to these matters.

Conflating such people with science in general is the sort of devious rhetorical trick which Setanta often deploys on the assumption, one which readily jumps into his mind often enough to be of concern, that he is addressing an audience well below his own capacities.

The science the Vatican deploys, and has deployed in the past, as a matter of course, suggests, if Setanta is to make even limited sense, that the Pope is not a miltant extremist among politically active Christians.

His own civility has often been called into question and his "attempt at dialogue " is rescinded, cancelled and defunct by the simple fact that he not only has me on Ignore but is proud of it.





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electronicmail
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2010 02:52 pm
@wandeljw,
You missed the point of the "White America" article, all this textbook rewriting evolution v creation is really racial. Obama's supporters totally believe in that myth.

You can read the commentary here
http://able2know.org/topic/162172-1
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2010 03:30 pm
@electronicmail,
Will you elaborate on that em if you can spare the time?
Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2010 09:26 pm
@farmerman,
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Actually, it hinges on the fact that your head is up your ass and you cant see the world at all.
Ah, yes...your debating skills reflect your true genius....back to himself, arseholes and ****....is that tough ? Do you consider yourself tough because you can say nasty things that mommy doesnt like ? God you are a jerk.

Gomer the Turd must seek help.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 04:48 am
@Setanta,
i see that Christine O 'Donnell, Delawares "tea Party" candidate for the US Senate had appeared on Politically Incorrect back in the late 1990's to claim that
"Darwin has been debunked and evolution is a fraud"
Rather than playing that position down and trying to distance herself from that technical pronouncement, O Donnell , on SAturdy !0/2, embraced her precvious statement to say that she would work "tirelessly" to try to bring the "Theory of Intelligent Design" into the Biology Classroom.
So now, besides being a liar, tax cheat, campaign kiter, and a fraud, she is also in favor of defying the US Constitution by teaching bogus religious beliefs in science classrooms. I hope this AM's newspapers will cover her statements that she made on Friday in a small "town meeting" in Milford Delaware . Today she will be appearing at the University Of Delaware's Marine SCience Campus in Lewes for "Coast Day". I hope that the good people of Delaware have enough sense to send this "candidate" packing in November. They usually have a low tolerance for idiots and fringe candidates in the first state.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 05:51 am
@farmerman,
If Ms O'Donnell eats babies for breakfast and robs banks at gunpoint it makes not one iota of difference to the argument about teaching evolution.

That fm thinks it does is proof that everything Ionus (an anti-IDer) says about him is true.

The "defying the US Constitution" argument is another pathetic attempt to play emotionally upon the stupidity of A2Kers.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 06:42 am
@farmerman,
I'm insufficiently familiar with Delaware politics and their voting habits--you're right next door to those jokers, so i'll take your word for it. I do believe that pushing that creationist bullshit is a big part the political agenda of the religiously militant, but they have a "hidden" disadvantage. Their image of pious self-righteousness makes them odious to many people, including people of religious conviction. This mitigates against their success politically over the long term, for whatever they may achieve in the short term. So, initial electoral success may look to them like an opportunity to push their agenda, including creationism, but it might fail in the long run because (a personal opinion only, mind you) long-term political success is out of their grasp. Americans became alarmed about the religious right during the Shrub's administration, and legislators learned that they could ignore the religious right in many (probably most) electoral districts as long as they did not make themselves openly odious to religious people. That greatly undercut the power of the religious right. I would be happy to see the tea party enjoy some modest success with nut bag candidates, as it might serve to remind the public of just why they got fed up with the religious right. I don't think it will do a damn thing for the creationist agenda, either, since that is being decided in Federal courts.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 07:14 am
@Setanta,
You are correct in that Delaware is a noted "blue state" and, with the exception of the far southern County of SUssex, its an educated state with many advanced degrees and professionals. ODonnell, as a tea partier AND a Creationist , does provide her party with an unfavorable mix in that she represents a minority view of Christians, but this minority is quite vocal and speaks loudly to anyone "on the fence".

I too would like to see some of these teabaggers get elected and then follow them around during their freshman years. I think thatd make for capital entertainment.

spendius
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 09:10 am
@farmerman,
You have to laugh really. Despite how carefully and concientiously fm and Setanta drop little gobbets of "cool" and "street cred" signifiers of an ironic detachment into their posts in order to ingratiate themselves with that segment of humanity which consists of those born at the rate of one per minute, they are really very, very serious about it all. They have a great deal riding on it. Backing down is not an option and especially not now Mr Hitchens is sticking to his guns with the sound of the grim reaper's footsteps already within earshot and setting an admirable example to his faithful followers so that they will not go all wobbly when their turn comes as Voltaire, and many a lesser man, did so spectacularly.

They have more riding on it than I would wish to have riding on any of my positions which are all subject to revision, possibly diametrically, at the sight of the magical lustre of gold, which I told you all to invest in long ago, or the whiteness of the poker.

Every post they write adds another quantum to their pile of pride. Digs the pit a little deeper. Pride is all an atheist has once subjection to the gods is rejected. There is nothing lighthearted about the matter for fm and Setanta.

And it's hardly an eclipse of the sun is it? It's a few brain-farts in a hurricane.

But we miss the point-- which is that "blue state" = "an educated state with many advanced degrees and professionals." fm being a member of the Bluebottle Party. There is no need for any definition of "educated" in the context as it is what fm is. And we needn't know how many "many" is either because it's a jolly lot. And the science of intelligence says that the more there are in a certain classification of people the nearer to the general average of intelligence the average of them will be.

If a state wishes to have such fulsome praise directed towards it all it needs do is make the advanced degrees easier to obtain and --hey presto-- it's an educated state and also blue and fm is blue so there you go folks--the circle is neatly joined up exactly where circles should be which is of course up their own arse.

kuvasz
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 09:16 am
@spendius,
you spent a lot of words to prove you're an ignorant cheese dick.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 09:26 am
@farmerman,
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I too would like to see some of these teabaggers get elected and then follow them around during their freshman years. I think thatd make for capital entertainment.
would probably ensure the re-election of Obama.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 10:08 am
@kuvasz,
I compliment you on not expending much energy to say nothing. If you're going to say nothing it is best to do it efficiently.

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electronicmail
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 01:07 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Will you elaborate on that em if you can spare the time?

There's no two ways about it:

The TX textbooks are for the TX public schools, 80% hispanic or black. Don't make no difference what their textbooks say, most of those kids can't read them and they'll never graduate.
 

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