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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 30 Sep, 2010 07:35 pm
@farmerman,
Do any of your posts not involve your greatness ? Oh mighty self-proclaimed scientist who cant spell, type or fight sober, what does the future hold for you ? Death. You didnt know why you were alive or why you would die but you hate people who believe in God. You want people to believe in you, like most priests of a religion you want power. If everyone was a self-proclaimed scientist like you, you would have more power and feel less isolated. But you would still be dead eventually.

Gomer the Turd must seek help.
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 30 Sep, 2010 07:38 pm
@spendius,
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And if a student parrots that stuff back in an exam he gets a certificate and becomes an expert. Which doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about. But he takes the expertise onwards to other students and everybody ends up not knowing what they are talking about.
That was cetainly my observation from lecturing under-graduates. Most universities are full of "teachers" who cant make it in the workplace.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 30 Sep, 2010 07:44 pm
@Ionus,
and students who know all the answers. once in awhile then even understand the questions.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 30 Sep, 2010 10:33 pm
@Ionus,
Speaking of getting help. Maybe you should follow your own reccomendations . Youre babbling incoherently, like some mental case.

You do entertain though, you certainly are a species of one.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 30 Sep, 2010 10:48 pm
@Ionus,
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Are you a wrote learner
The word is "rote" not wrote. Glad I can help, I assume that English is not your native tongue. If it is, Id go kick the asses of your elementary ed teachers for giving up on you


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I was pointing out that science has some rather stupid and meaningless names and you went into impress everyone mode. If science is so sloppy in its naming, why would we let it be responsible for our souls
No you werent asshole, you were trying to show us how smart you were by deciding that a compound word coul only have a meaning that you decide it should have. I made you look silly so now you want to change your story since were on another page. Next time just be more sure of yourself about things before you try to critique something. Anyway, unless you totally missed the point , since the time period was already established as the ARCHEAN (capitalize the A, as in a proper noun), then the International geochron committee has taken to give individual names to each stage of the 4 stages of theARCHEAN (these being the EO, PALEO,MESO, and NEO-ARCHEAN) did you miss the prefix meanings of the other three?


Should I forward your concern to the International Geochronology Committee? Im sure they will be very interested in your insites you genius you.

Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 30 Sep, 2010 10:55 pm
@farmerman,
he's a kiwi.

bastardized english is the mother tongue, i think...
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Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 30 Sep, 2010 10:59 pm
@farmerman,
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Glad I can help, I assume that English is not your native tongue.
Do you mean like :
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That is just from the preceding page. Your best lie buried in the bowels of the forum. But your faults are unknown to you, arent they ?

Gomer the Turd must seek help.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 30 Sep, 2010 11:04 pm
@farmerman,
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No you werent asshole, you were trying to show us how smart you were by deciding that a compound word coul only have a meaning that you decide it should have.
Try to follow this....words have meaning. If you stick two words together you should understand the meaning of both words, and not use both in a contradictory manner. Clowns like you are always making mistakes and then living with them, God knows what you would do if you ran the social sciences as badly as you run geology.

Gomer the Turd must seek help.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 04:28 am
@Ionus,
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You do think we have a soul, dont you ?


No materialist can afford to give the idea of soul the time of day. Their whole position is lost if they do. Every last bit of it.

The materialist can understand and accept religious belief for other reasons. He can also be opposed to the teaching of evolution theory in schools for related reasons.

The opposition here to teaching evolution in schools is based on subjective interest and has no scientific basis. It couldn't have a scientific basis because the opponents know no science. Every post they make betrays a void which a scientific sensibility could occupy if the loins are girded up with determination and discipline.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 04:35 am
@Ionus,
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God knows what you would do if you ran the social sciences as badly as you run geology


fm has already suggested "re-education camps" for religious believers who, according to polls, make up 90% of the US population.

He likes the idea of smoking ruins I suppose.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 04:47 am
@Ionus,
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Try to follow this....words have meaning. If you stick two words together you should understand the meaning of both words, and not use both in a contradictory manner
You certainly are a sounding bell when you think that you just had an important idea.

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wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 05:55 am
UK UPDATE
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Controversial ID Scientist tours UK
(Press Release from the UK Centre for Intelligent Design)

Professor Michael Behe, a key figure in the Intelligent Design (ID) movement, will challenge his critics in a lecture tour of the UK in November.

Prof. Behe is one of an increasing number of scientists who believe that modern biochemical evidence undermines the basis of Darwinian evolution. The author of two ground-breaking books on ID - 'Darwin's Black Box' (1996) and 'The Edge of Evolution' (2007) - Behe's theory of irreducible complexity has drawn attacks from many neo-Darwinists, but not one of them has been able to refute it.

As Behe himself writes, in the years since the publication of 'Darwin's Black Box', "the scientific argument for design is stronger than ever. Despite the enormous progress of biochemistry in the intervening years... despite implacable opposition from some scientists at the highest levels, the book's argument for design stands... there is very little of the original text I would change if I wrote it today.

"In short, as science advances relentlessly, the molecular foundation of life... is getting exponentially more complex. As it does, the case for the intelligent design of life becomes exponentially stronger."

Behe's 'Darwin or Design? What Does the Science Really Say?' tour runs from 20-27 November and will comprise evening lectures at the Babbage Lecture Theatre in Cambridge and the Caledonian University in Glasgow, plus events in London, Belfast and Leamington/Warwick. He will also be the main speaker at a day conference (27 November) at Oxford Brookes University.

The tour is organised by the UK-based Centre for Intelligent Design, which exists to promote the public understanding of ID.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 05:57 am
@wandeljw,
wandeljw's source wrote:
The author of two ground-breaking books on ID - 'Darwin's Black Box' (1996) and 'The Edge of Evolution' (2007) - Behe's theory of irreducible complexity has drawn attacks from many neo-Darwinists, but not one of them has been able to refute it.


Oh man . . . you can tell a bible thumper wrote that tripe!
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 06:54 am
@Setanta,
There you go. A militant anti-IDer betraying an empty space where a scientific sensibility ought to be for anyone on a science thread.

The desperate desire of such people to assert, without any proof, that "bible thumpers" are their main opponents is another manifestation of the Sitting Duck Syndrome. And such isolationism in that Koran thumpers are excluded and a whole range of other "thumpers" as well.

The argument for irreducible complexity, which asserts that some biochemical structures are too complex to be adequately explained by known evolutionary mechanisms and are therefore more probably the result of intelligent design is ridiculous. It is meaningless. That known evolutionary mechanisms cannot explain the complexity of biochemical structures does not lead to the conclusion that evolutionary mechanisms cannot eventually explain them and nor does it lead to the conclusion of a probabilty that an intelligent designer created them. In fact, the use of the word "probable" undermines faith. The use of the word "some" is a gross fatuity as all biological structures are equally complex being resolved in the last analysis to chemistry and finally to physics.

The argument about the wisdom or otherwise of teaching evolution in schools rests upon completely different scientific criteria and has nothing to do with the complexity of biological structures. It can be argued that it has nothing to do with the Bible either. It has to do with human psychology and social organisation as a dynamic process. (Which is why our anti-IDers flatly refuse to discuss those matters.) That they think it does is proof of their scientific stupidity. Had Behe never been born, a very chancy process putting it mildly, they would have invented another in his place. Their arguments here are based on the vagaries of Behe's conception. And what a useless basis that is for grounding justifications for sexual licence.

Behe's position is a red herring and I strongly suspect that he saw a promising niche and got himself into it with some alacrity having a wife and nine children to keep up and finding himself to have above average rhetorical skills. Anti-IDers assign him significance for no other reason than that he is easy to knock over forgetting (having on Ignore) that knocking him over proves nothing for their case.

What we are doing inviting this style of American reasoning to give lectures in our country is beyond my imagination unless it is for money like other gigs.

Setanta's comment is off topic and full-blown trolling.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 07:40 am
@Setanta,
Irreducible complexity has been soundly dismissed by evidence on a case by case basis. Whenever Behe develops another "sequence or cascade of enzymes or interacting proteins", someone comes along to carry his sequence further back into simpler life forms. So far, hes scoring a firm zero.

I agree, the articles author certainly doesnt let scientific objectivity get in the way of being a good shill.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 07:42 am
@farmerman,
OOPS, I saw in the by-line that the entire thing was issued by the "British Center FOR Intelligent Design".

spendius
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 08:53 am
@farmerman,
Why do you respond, fm, with eager alacrity to such a banality as--

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Oh man . . . you can tell a bible thumper wrote that tripe!


when you had my post to consider?

Such distorted partiality rather makes the point that you have no regard for scientific contributions when your emotions are engaged. Your mean-spiritedness, which I suppose you think clever, is hardly a characteristic to be recommended to the schoolchildren of the nation and it is a worthwhile mission to do all I can to make sure they are not forced to endure it.

Setanta's post and your response to it, whilst ignoring my comments, is a very powerful argument for punting your joint and mutually reinforcing anti-ID right out of the county. I think a generation of children influenced by what you two have just produced would result in a country unfit for civilised people to live in.

But we know why you want to keep Behe in the spotllight don't we? I explained it. He is a person so easy to discredit and you and Setanta not only love sitting ducks but they are the only things you can deal with, as long as "someone comes along" to guide you, given the limits of your capacities which you have both so shamelessly demonstrated.

The very idea that either of you have anything useful to say about the education of a nation's children is utterly ridiculous.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 08:56 am
@farmerman,
User ignored (view)
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 09:12 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

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Try to follow this....words have meaning. If you stick two words together you should understand the meaning of both words, and not use both in a contradictory manner
You certainly are a sounding bell when you think that you just had an important idea.

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I guess they don't have the word "oxymoron" in ionus' dictionary.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 07:12 pm
@parados,
Its neither an incorrect term, nor an oxymoron. Neo, modifies ARCHEAN, so it actually means the "newest portion of the ARCHEAN . This is a term that was concieved to mean only one thing, the time period in earths history when there was no evidence of life. ( The word Arcaean , in itself doesnt mean "old") It is derived from the root word ARCHAEAO which (strictly as an adjective) does mean old or ancient (Such as the old term "ARchaeaozoic", or Archeaology". ARCHAEAN actually means "time period of the ancient" and Neo archaean means the "newest period of the ancient time ". It can easily be seen when viewed with the other three periods of ARchaean time.
I dont want to go too fast on this but if you dont get it, maybe I was just assuming that the term was self explanatory(wrt its use as a time divisor ).
ANUS, I have no hope for, hes ineducable. He will be babbling his same old **** till and wetting his pants the PROLOCENE.
 

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