Debra Law
 
  2  
Tue 23 Sep, 2008 12:20 pm
Here's a LENGTHY opinion piece in Newsweek. It's LONG, but worth the time to read it.

When Atheists Attack: A noted provocateur rips Sarah Palin"and defends elitism.

Some Excerpts:

Quote:
The point to be lamented is not that Sarah Palin comes from outside Washington, or that she has glimpsed so little of the earth's surface (she didn't have a passport until last year), or that she's never met a foreign head of state. The point is that she comes to us, seeking the second most important job in the world, without any intellectual training relevant to the challenges and responsibilities that await her. There is nothing to suggest that she even sees a role for careful analysis or a deep understanding of world events when it comes to deciding the fate of a nation.

* * *

The problem, as far as our political process is concerned, is that half the electorate revels in Palin's lack of intellectual qualifications. When it comes to politics, there is a mad love of mediocrity in this country.

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I care even more about the many things Palin thinks she knows but doesn't: like her conviction that the Biblical God consciously directs world events. Needless to say, she shares this belief with millions of Americans"but we shouldn't be eager to give these people our nuclear codes, either. There is no question that if President McCain chokes on a spare rib and Palin becomes the first woman president, she and her supporters will believe that God, in all his majesty and wisdom, has brought it to pass. Why would God give Sarah Palin a job she isn't ready for? He wouldn't. Everything happens for a reason. Palin seems perfectly willing to stake the welfare of our country"even the welfare of our species"as collateral in her own personal journey of faith. Of course, McCain has made the same unconscionable wager on his personal journey to the White House.

* * *
We have endured eight years of an administration that seemed touched by religious ideology. Bush's claim to Bob Woodward that he consulted a "higher Father" before going to war in Iraq got many of us sitting upright, before our attention wandered again to less ethereal signs of his incompetence. For all my concern about Bush's religious beliefs, and about his merely average grasp of terrestrial reality, I have never once thought that he was an over-the-brink, Rapture-ready extremist. Palin seems as though she might be the real McCoy. With the McCain team leading her around like a pet pony between now and Election Day, she can be expected to conceal her religious extremism until it is too late to do anything about it. Her supporters know that while she cannot afford to "talk the talk" between now and Nov. 4, if elected, she can be trusted to "walk the walk" until the Day of Judgment.

* * *
What is so unnerving about the candidacy of Sarah Palin is the degree to which she represents"and her supporters celebrate"the joyful marriage of confidence and ignorance. Watching her deny to Gibson that she had ever harbored the slightest doubt about her readiness to take command of the world's only superpower, one got the feeling that Palin would gladly assume any responsibility on earth:

"Governor Palin, are you ready at this moment to perform surgery on this child's brain?"

"Of course, Charlie. I have several boys of my own, and I'm an avid hunter."

"But governor, this is neurosurgery, and you have no training as a surgeon of any kind."

"That's just the point, Charlie. The American people want change in how we make medical decisions in this country. And when faced with a challenge, you cannot blink."

* * *

Ask yourself: how has "elitism" become a bad word in American politics? There is simply no other walk of life in which extraordinary talent and rigorous training are denigrated. We want elite pilots to fly our planes, elite troops to undertake our most critical missions, elite athletes to represent us in competition and elite scientists to devote the most productive years of their lives to curing our diseases. And yet, when it comes time to vest people with even greater responsibilities, we consider it a virtue to shun any and all standards of excellence.


http://www.newsweek.com/id/160080/page/1




okie
 
  1  
Tue 23 Sep, 2008 12:22 pm
@Debra Law,
I would advise you not to read Newsweek, Debra, it is so partisan as to be totally worthless.
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Diest TKO
 
  2  
Tue 23 Sep, 2008 12:23 pm
@Berger,
Berger wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

Who is denigrating Palin and how? Names, quotes, and what office they are running for please.


Consider the definition of "denigrate".
minimize: cause to seem less serious; (PTA references and small town mayor experience) play down; (her experience)" charge falsely or with malicious intent;(her Down baby is her daugher's) attack the good name and reputation of someone; (troopergate)

Criticise so as to besmirch; traduce, disparage, or defame; Treat as worthless; belittle, degrade, or disparage; Blacken (Read Debra Law's posts)


In simple terms Berger, I don't think you'd approve of any criticism given to her.

In more complex terms, I think your use of denigrate is impregnated with a suggestion that Obama has participated in some systemic sexist pandering to voters.

Get your attack straight; regroup your thoughts, then try again.

What is it?

Her actions as governor are not off limits: "Troopergate" is fair game.

She is now a part of a campaign that has largely leveraged the argument that Obama does not have enough experience. Obama has every right to illustrate the double standard.

As for her youngest child, It's not Obama that is promoting this idea. He doesn't need to get involved. It's media created. Just like the media memes against Obama ala "secret Muslim."

If McCain thinks he can bait the public and then simply cry foul to bargain a sympathy vote into the oval office, he's wrong. Every chance McCain has had to win, he has thrown away for the hope that attack ads would do the job.

Attack ads work because people have become cynical, but after the last 7.5 years, people have become cynical enough to question whether or not they are being manipulated. This is why Obama does so well when he put out a 2minute ad that talks about his plan for the economy and doesn't even have to mention McCain or Bush.

You'll figure it out before McCain does though.

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Debra Law
 
  3  
Tue 23 Sep, 2008 12:26 pm
@okie,
okie: "You don't seriously use Newsweek as a balanced source of news I hope, Debra?"

What's wrong with Newsweek? If Newsweek is unappealing to you, what sources do you recommend?
Debra Law
 
  3  
Tue 23 Sep, 2008 12:34 pm
Here's the CNN political ticker article on the matter mentioned above:


McCain camp tries to keep reporters out of Palin meetings
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Quote:
(CNN) " McCain-Palin campaign officials shifted course Tuesday after being informed by television news organizations that they would not broadcast footage of Sarah Palin’s meeting with Afghan leader Hamid Karzai Tuesday in New York " the Republican VP nominee’s first with a foreign leader " if a reporter was not allowed in to observe the pair.

CNN, which was the pool network for the event, informed the campaign of its decision. The network was then told a CNN producer would be allowed in the room to act as a media representative, just minutes before the photo op was scheduled to take place. However, print reporters and wire services were not allowed to observe the meeting, as they have been able to do at similar McCain events in the past.

The press only caught a brief glimpse of the vice presidential nominee. Palin was seated in a large chair a few feet from Karzai, with a table in between them. Seated slightly behind Palin were campaign foreign policy advisers Steve Biegun and Randy Scheunemann, who are accompanying the governor in her motorcade today.

As the pool entered, the Afghan president appeared to be telling Palin about his young son, who was born in January 2007.

Palin, her legs crossed and at one point patting her heart, was leaning in eagerly and smiling. Karzai, wearing his traditional clothes but without his trademark karakul hat, was also grinning while discussing the child. His remarks were mostly unintelligible as the noise from the clicking cameras drowned them out.

“What is his name?,” Palin asked.

“Mirwais,” Karzai responded. “Mirwais, which means, ‘The Light of the House.’”

“Oh nice,” Palin responded.

“He is the only one we have,” remarked Karzai.

After 29 seconds observing the meeting, CNN and other photographers covering the meeting were escorted out of the room.

Later, McCain-Palin press representatives chalked up the restrictions to a “mix-up, a miscommunication among staff.” The full pool " a print and wires reporter, along with a television producer " was then allowed in to observe Palin’s meeting with Colombian President Alvaro Uribe for 15-20 seconds.



okie: Is CNN a reliable source? What news sources do you recommend?
Diest TKO
 
  2  
Tue 23 Sep, 2008 12:39 pm
@Debra Law,
I'm sure that okie would prefer you have zero news over having news that reported an ill tune on his political worldview. Compound my confidence with the comedy that he will play down a particular news source and then gladly expect it to have temporary validity come time to support some argument of his.

I'm sure in his mind that part of the media is a minority and repressed beyond measure. That when true news finally comes out it, will ultimately justify his opinion.

On the other hand, there is the possibility that a conservative dare not entertain: That in fact the media is largely balanced and reports on fact. That the overlap is not the product of some "liberal agenda," but instead that the alignment represents a validation of a world view different than his own. That the idea of the media bashing the innocent GOP may just be his own insecurity that his ideas can withstand true criticism and survive in a pluralistic society.

Dare think it not...

T
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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:21 pm
@Debra Law,
okie wouldn't understand censorship if it stared him in the eyes; he's brain dead.

Sorry, but I'm a man who calls a spade a spade.
Debra Law
 
  3  
Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:25 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
I wonder if Newsweek is running headlines on the Democrat hacker that hacked into Palin's email? Maybe they could get some flattering pictures of the guy to run on their next cover, with the headline saying "Democrat Operative"? I would love that."


How about this NEWSWEEK headline:

Hunt for Palin hacker shaping up to be simple case: FBI agents search home of state Democratic lawmaker's son in Palin hacking case

http://www.newsweek.com/id/159406/output/print

Are you LOVING it now? May I now rely on Newsweek as a reliable source of news?
Diest TKO
 
  2  
Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:30 pm
@Debra Law,
LOL. Okie's foot is in his mouth whether he planned to put it there or not.

Too ironic.
K
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okie
 
  2  
Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:34 pm
@Debra Law,
Whats wrong with Newsweek? Whats right with it? I finally got tired of the pathetic cover photos, to accompany some slanted article inside the magazine.

News sources, its tough, I recommend the web, columnists in the paper, opinion pieces on both sides that examine the pros and cons, and talk radio that gets into the details of issues. Simply reading a story that may be biased is not worth much in and of itself, so I believe for people to really understand issues, they need some experience in those areas, such as business, energy, the military, etc. Without that, you are hard pressed to evaluate what news or analysis may be valid.

Newsweek, sure, its information, but after years of taking it I simply have concluded it just not at all balanced and is therefore not very useful to me. I have disagreed with it so much that I find it distressing to even read anymore, so I ignore it.
Diest TKO
 
  2  
Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:40 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
I have disagreed with it so much that I find it distressing to even read anymore, so I ignore it.


Your failure to agree with it's reporting is irrelevant in it's validity as a news source.

As you requested, and as Debra provided, they in fact coved the story you mentioned.

T
K
Own up to it.
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okie
 
  1  
Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:42 pm
@Debra Law,
Okay, that is surprising initially, but where is the article, on the cover, or hidden somewhere in the magazine? Did anyone explore whether this kid has any ties to any Obama campaign operatives? Was that question asked? I found the article very kind to the guy rather than asking serious questions that should have been asked. Rather than being a good example in your favor, perhaps not. It appears to be a token article where the details are generally passed off as some innocent act by some upstanding young guy. Maybe, but I doubt it. Not a great article in my opinion. If it was a Republicans son hacking into Biden's email, you can bet it would have been written differently, more things insinuated, and more serious questions asked. Hacking into a vp email account is not innocent stuff in my opinion.

So there you have it, guys, that example is a good one that shows biased reporting.
okie
 
  2  
Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
censorship, ha ha, ci, you are hilarious. Yes, I censor what I read. You are not going to force me to read worthless liberal news sources that are hopelessly mired in their own biased view of the world.
Diest TKO
 
  2  
Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:52 pm
@okie,
Nobody is forcing you to do anything. That's why you get to take the full blame for being as ignorant as you are.

It's all you. Nobody had to convince you to be this willingly close minded.

T
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Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:52 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

censorship, ha ha, ci, you are hilarious. Yes, I censor what I read. You are not going to force me to read worthless liberal news sources that are hopelessly mired in their own biased view of the world.


Laughing

Do you not realize that you are hopelessly mired in your own biased view of the world, Okie? To the point where you won't even read news sources to see if they contain factual information?

This is what happens to those who listen to 'talk radio' too much. You idolize Rush - a lying asshole - and get so twisted against any media which has actual oversight, you become some sort of bizzaro version of your old self...

Cycloptichorn
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Berger
 
  2  
Tue 23 Sep, 2008 02:12 pm
@Diest TKO,
Diest TKO wrote:

Berger wrote:

In simple terms Berger, I don't think you'd approve of any criticism given to her.

You would be wrong.

In more complex terms, I think your use of denigrate is impregnated with a suggestion that Obama has participated in some systemic sexist pandering to voters.

And you would be wrong again. I used the term as it is defined to describe the attacks on Palin's fundamental Christian faith and family.

Get your attack straight; regroup your thoughts, then try again.

What is it?

Her actions as governor are not off limits: "Troopergate" is fair game.

Of ourse it is but it is nothing more than an attempt to denigrate her. Do you think any respondent in an exit poll will say that he did not vote for McCain because Palin fired a guy whom she had appointed to serve at her pleasure when he gave her reason to no longer be pleased by his actions?

She is now a part of a campaign that has largely leveraged the argument that Obama does not have enough experience. Obama has every right to illustrate the double standard.

Yes he does, but the difference in the experience record of Palin as Mayor and Governor is far deeper than Obama's tissue thin one.

As for her youngest child, It's not Obama that is promoting this idea. He doesn't need to get involved. It's media created. Just like the media memes against Obama ala "secret Muslim."

Actually it was blogs populated by Dems specializing in denigrating smears.

If McCain thinks he can bait the public and then simply cry foul to bargain a sympathy vote into the oval office, he's wrong. Every chance McCain has had to win, he has thrown away for the hope that attack ads would do the job.

Attack ads work because people have become cynical, but after the last 7.5 years, people have become cynical enough to question whether or not they are being manipulated. This is why Obama does so well when he put out a 2minute ad that talks about his plan for the economy and doesn't even have to mention McCain or Bush.

You'll figure it out before McCain does though.

Obama supporters will figure out that this election is going to be Mondale, McGovern, Gore, Kerry redux after the 3 debates the evasive Mr. Obama will have with the straight talking McCain. Ditto for the Palin-Biden debates.

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Debra Law
 
  1  
Tue 23 Sep, 2008 02:14 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
Okay, that is surprising initially, but where is the article, on the cover, or hidden somewhere in the magazine? Did anyone explore whether this kid has any ties to any Obama campaign operatives? Was that question asked? I found the article very kind to the guy rather than asking serious questions that should have been asked. Rather than being a good example in your favor, perhaps not. It appears to be a token article where the details are generally passed off as some innocent act by some upstanding young guy. Maybe, but I doubt it. Not a great article in my opinion. If it was a Republicans son hacking into Biden's email, you can bet it would have been written differently, more things insinuated, and more serious questions asked. Hacking into a vp email account is not innocent stuff in my opinion.

So there you have it, guys, that example is a good one that shows biased reporting.


Oh brother. Any college student who hacks a hackable Yahoo email account, brags about it to the whole world, and is so stupid that he can't cover his tracks must be a secret Obama operative. No other explanation. ROFL
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firefly
 
  3  
Tue 23 Sep, 2008 03:11 pm
@okie,
okie, if Palin made herself available to reporters, so they could directly ask her questions, she might be able to dispel some of the negative things being said about her. But she (or the McCain camp) has chosen to keep her cloistered and off limits to the press.

Actually I think the cable news outlets have been too accepting of the fact that Palin won't speak with them and answer questions. They should be screaming bloody murder. What person running for president or vice president refuses to answer questions for the press? If the cable news services have any bias it is pro-Palin, judging by what they are not saying or pointing out about her. They are colluding with the Republican strategy of keeping Palin roped off--and they are presenting her as merely an attractive visual image, standing before crowds of the Republican faithful, zinging barbs at Obama, but discussing nothing in depth, and nothing that isn't scripted for her. The McCain camp is manipulating the media by using them to promote Palin's image and alleged crowd popularity, but preventing them from having any contact or interchange with her--and the media has irresponsibly gone along with this.

The cable networks should not be accepting this situation of a "silent Palin". They should refuse to air footage of her on the campaign trail unless she starts talking to them, and answering their questions. If they don't do this, I think they are showing a Republican bias.

That sort of showdown is what happened, in a minor way at the U.N. today, when CNN refused to allow their video cameras to shoot Palin with a dignitary unless they allowed a producer in the room. CNN won that one--the producer was let in for 29 sec.

The whole business of introducing Palin to dignitaries at the U.N. is just ludicrous, since it was clearly a photo-op simply to show her in a picture with some of these people, as if this would convince us she has foreign policy experience. And when they won't even allow print reporters in the room when the photos are taken, let alone ask her questions, the sham of hyping her in this highly staged way is nakedly apparent. Do you think that if they don't trust Palin to speak with reporters that they really trusted her to speak with foreign leaders today about anything more important than changing diapers or the weather, or that they let her ask any questions that hadn't been carefully prepared for her? She was surrounded by handlers today who choreographed her every move and utterance. She smiled, posed for pictures, and made small talk, nothing more. Her visit to the U.N. was a campaign stunt, and is rather meaningless in terms of telling us anything about Palin or even teaching her anything. But, believe me, in the days to come, she, and McCain, will exaggerate the importance of this outing even more than they have been exaggerating her flimsy qualifications for VP.

I do agree, okie, that the columists in newspapers present a more accurate appraisal of Palin, mainly because, unlike the cable networks, they are not cowed and they are not afraid to describe her in clearly negative terms. The woman is just not impressive. Her interviews, with both Charlie Gibson and Sean Hannity revealed her to be intellectually shallow, uninformed and confused on issues, and given to expressing herself with rather simplistic slogans and phrases when her thinking wasn't meandering into incoherence.

Palin does have an impressive ego and arrogance, but that's about it. In all other respects she is woefully lacking the personal qualifications to be VP, or possible president of the U.S. In addition, questions remain about her ethics in office, in terms of possible abuse of her powers, and her behavior regarding that whole episode with her brother-in-law strongly suggests she lacks the temperament to hold the second highest office in the land. What she and McCain both have in common is their tendency to hold grudges and go on personal vendettas against people they don't like or that cross them, not exactly a sign of emotional maturity, and emotional immaturity is not what one wants in a VP or a president.

And now, after keeping her away from the press, the Republicans have arranged a protected and limited format for her VP debate.

A woman who can not face the press, and the public, and answer any and all questions, is definitely not ready to be VP. In her RNC convention speech, she compared herself to Harry Truman. Well, he said, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen". If Palin can't face the media, she should get out of the race.

The Republicans are telling us they don't trust her to open her mouth--well, if they don't trust her, no one else should either.

Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Tue 23 Sep, 2008 03:24 pm
@firefly,
Damn, well said

Cycloptichorn
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Debra Law
 
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Tue 23 Sep, 2008 04:03 pm
@firefly,
excellent post firefly
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