cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 22 Sep, 2008 02:19 pm
@Debra Law,
Confusion and outright forgetfulness; all symptoms of senility.
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Debra Law
 
  2  
Mon 22 Sep, 2008 02:24 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote: "Interesting question. What would happen if a candidate were to die or be so seriously incapacitated? Is there a procedure in place to replace? Has this ever happened?"

I've been curious about that too. Would Palin be moved into the top slot? Or would the person who came in second in the primaries move into the top slot?
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 22 Sep, 2008 02:26 pm
@Debra Law,
I believe the veep takes over; remember JF Kennedy?
sozobe
 
  1  
Mon 22 Sep, 2008 02:28 pm
@Debra Law,
I dunno. I agree that, for example, McCain should grant further access to his medical records. (There was some 3-hour, no-notes, limited-access thing that happened a while ago.)

But the swollen, puffy jaw seems adequately explained by what he's dealt with so far.
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Debra Law
 
  3  
Mon 22 Sep, 2008 02:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
CI: "I believe the veep takes over; remember JF Kennedy?"

But . . . what if CANDIDATE McCain becomes incapacitated or dies BEFORE the election on November 4?

sozobe
 
  1  
Mon 22 Sep, 2008 02:38 pm
@Debra Law,
Dunno how authoritative this is:

http://www.ontheissues.org/AskMe/succession.htm
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 22 Sep, 2008 02:42 pm
@Debra Law,
Wasn't thinking in those terms, but thanks for that clarification. Now, I'm confused too!

If I had to make a wild guess, I would think the party that won the election follows with the "power."
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DrewDad
 
  4  
Mon 22 Sep, 2008 03:59 pm
@Debra Law,
I don't like McCain; I think his choice of Palin as running mate shows contempt for voters.

But rants about him having "no reasoned intellect, judgment, or reflection involved in his decision-making" is just so much bullshit. You sound like Roxxxanne, or Gungasnake with your hyperbolic nonsense.
JTT
 
  1  
Mon 22 Sep, 2008 04:03 pm
@DrewDad,
Quote:
"no reasoned intellect, judgment, or reflection involved in his decision-making"


Maybe 'no' is a little harsh, DD. 'little' would be a more accurate word.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 22 Sep, 2008 04:05 pm
@DrewDad,
To be "practical," we must look at why McCain still enjoys 50% of the voters, so on that basis, you are correct.
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Debra Law
 
  3  
Mon 22 Sep, 2008 05:07 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad: Even the key people in McCain's own campaign know better than to try and package McCain as a person who has the virtues of reasoned intellect, judgment, or reflection. They know that McCain immediately and impulsively shoots from his hip based on what he feels in his gut. Listen to an interview with McCain's chief strategist, Nicolle Wallace:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/26839509#26835607

McCain's chief strategist told America, if the question in November is who can be TRUSTED to handle a crisis, then we don't want someone like Obama who "thinks" about it, mulls it over, and then tries to come up with an informed solution. Wallace said what a crisis reveals is your INSTINCTS and McCain's leadership has been decisive leadership. So what if he flipflopped all over the place and didn't know what he was talking about? He used his INSTINCTS to be decisive! In other words, the McCain campaign is trying to sell us a person who impulsively shoots from the hip, based on gut instinct alone, without asking any questions or bothering to gather critical information.

I'm NOT spewing hyperbolic nonsense. McCain's long history of angry outbursts, hair-trigger temper, vindictiveness, impulsiveness, stubbornness, and shooting from the hip without asking questions is AMPLY DOCUMENTED over a period of time spanning THREE DECADES. He is NOT known for having reasoned intellect, judgment, or reflection--and he never will be.

cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 22 Sep, 2008 05:12 pm
@Debra Law,
Yeah, once he presses that red button, there's no way to flip-flop. Oooops! that was a mistake, and Iraq is already wiped off the map.
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squinney
 
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Mon 22 Sep, 2008 05:17 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra - I heard that this morning and thought the same thing... I'd MUCH rather have someone think things through, consult and then move strategically. We see where George's "gut" has gotten us. We certainly don't need more of THAT.

cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 22 Sep, 2008 05:48 pm
@squinney,
Why can't people see that "shooting from the hip" is not only dangerous but prone to mistakes?
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Debra Law
 
  1  
Mon 22 Sep, 2008 06:12 pm
@squinney,
Squinney wrote: "I heard that this morning and thought the same thing... I'd MUCH rather have someone think things through, consult and then move strategically. We see where George's "gut" has gotten us. We certainly don't need more of THAT."

I agree. As others have noted, "Thanks, but no thanks, McCain--we don't want your instincts."

McCain Campaign Touts "Instincts" As Tool To Rescue U.S. Economy

Quote:
This morning on MSNBC's 'Morning Joe', McCain campaign advisor and spokeswoman Nicole Wallace was grilled by Joe Scarborough regarding her campaign's grand blunders and flip-flops during the past week.

Wallace responded in true McCain campaign fashion - by immediately disparaging Barack Obama's preference to read the Treasury Department and Federal Reserve's plan in detail before proposing his own comprehensive plan to deal with the floundering economy. She also took that opportunity to deliver the McCain campaign's golden nugget regarding how it planned to solve the economic crisis: Their "instincts"

* * *

Thanks, but no thanks, John McCain. You can keep your "instincts" to yourself. As for me and my country, we will choose Barack Obama's fresh, reasoned, intelligent economic plan to undo the damage you and George W. Bush have done to this great nation.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/22/84920/6859



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Debra Law
 
  2  
Mon 22 Sep, 2008 06:55 pm
How John McCain lost me
By ELIZABETH DREW | 9/17/08

EXCERPTS

Quote:
I have been a longtime admirer of John McCain. During the 2000 Republican presidential primaries I publicly defended McCain against the pro-Bush Republicans’ whisper campaign that he was too unstable to be president (aware though I was that he had a temper). Two years later I published a positive book about him, “Citizen McCain.”

* * *

When Bush, issued a “signing statement” in 2006 on McCain’s hard-fought legislation placing prohibitions on torture, saying he would interpret the measure as he chose, McCain barely uttered a peep. And then, in 2006, in one of his most disheartening acts, McCain supported a “compromise” with the administration on trials of Guantanamo detainees, yielding too much of what the administration wanted, and accepted provisions he had originally opposed on principle. Among other things, the bill sharply limited the rights of detainees in military trials, stripped habeas corpus rights from a broad swath of people “suspected” of cooperating with terrorists, and loosened restrictions on the administration’s use of torture. (The Supreme Court later ruled portions of this measure unconstitutional.)

McCain’s caving in to this “compromise” did it for me. This was further evidence that the former free-spirited, supposedly principled, maverick was morphing into just another panderer " to Bush and the Republican Party’s conservative base.

* * *
(In his 2002 memoir, “Worth the Fighting For,” he wrote, revealingly, “I didn’t decide to run for president to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In truth, I wanted to be president because it had become my ambition to be president. . . . In truth, I’d had the ambition for a long time.”)

* * *

There’s an argument that all this compromise wasn’t necessary: some very smart political analysts believed from the outset that McCain could win the nomination by sticking with his old self. And they still believe that McCain won the nomination not because he gave himself over to the base but as a result of a process of elimination of inferior candidates who divided up the conservative vote, as these observers had predicted. (These people insisted on anonymity because McCain is known in Republican circles to have a long memory and a vindictive streak.)

By then I had already concluded that that there was a disturbingly erratic side of McCain’s nature. There’s a certain lack of seriousness in him. And he does not appear to be a reflective man, or very interested in domestic issues.

* * *
Now he’s back to declaring himself a maverick, but it’s not clear what that means. If he gains the presidency, is he going to rebel against the base he’s now depending on to get him elected? (Hence his selection of running mate Sarah Palin.) Campaigns matter. If he means “shaking up the system” (which is not the same thing), opposing earmarks doesn’t cut it.

McCain’s recent conduct of his campaign " his willingness to lie repeatedly (including in his acceptance speech) and to play Russian roulette with the vice-presidency, in order to fulfill his long-held ambition " has reinforced my earlier, and growing, sense that John McCain is not a principled man.
In fact, it’s not clear who he is.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13541.html
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 22 Sep, 2008 07:08 pm
@Debra Law,
This is also when McCain lost all respects from me. He's a hypocrite of the worst kind who decried Vietnamese torture, and he's now for it by America.
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Debra Law
 
  2  
Mon 22 Sep, 2008 07:08 pm
Conservative Ire Pushed McCain From Lieberman


Quote:
At 11 a.m. on Thursday, at the McCain vacation compound near Sedona, Ariz., Mr. McCain invited Ms. Palin to join him on the ticket. He hardly knew her, and she had virtually no foreign policy experience, but Ms. Palin was a “kindred spirit,” a McCain adviser said. Mr. McCain was betting, the adviser said, that she would help him reclaim the mantle of maverick that he had lost this year.

The selection was the culmination of a five-month process, described by Mr. McCain’s inner circle and outside advisers in interviews this past weekend, and offers a glimpse into how Mr. McCain might make high-stakes decisions as president.

At the very least, the process reflects Mr. McCain’s history of making fast, instinctive and sometimes risky decisions. “I make them as quickly as I can, quicker than the other fellow, if I can,” Mr. McCain wrote, with his top adviser Mark Salter, in his 2002 book, “Worth the Fighting For.” “Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the consequences without complaint.”


The New York Times

The question, however, is should AMERICA have to live with the consequences of McCain's mistakes?

cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 22 Sep, 2008 07:11 pm
@Debra Law,
It's not that he can live with his own mistakes, but he's involving the whole of America and the world at large. His ego is his worst enemy; maybe his second after his temper.
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Berger
 
  2  
Tue 23 Sep, 2008 07:44 am
McCain, like all us fallible human beings, has made mistakes...and he and we will no doubt make some more.

IMO, choosing Sarah Palin as his VP is NOT one of them...as evidenced by the obsession of the Dems to denigrate her political record and personal life.
 

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