FreeDuck
 
  3  
Thu 4 Sep, 2008 09:32 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

The democrats TALK about change, but McCain and Palin will DELIVER change.


Translation: democrats talk about change, republicans talk about change too.
H2O MAN
 
  2  
Thu 4 Sep, 2008 09:35 am
@FreeDuck,
FreeDuck wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:

The democrats TALK about change, but McCain and Palin will DELIVER change.


Translation: democrats talk about change, republicans talk about change too.


No.

Democrats TALK about change, but McCain and Palin will DELIVER change.
okie
 
  3  
Thu 4 Sep, 2008 09:36 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Specifically, energy for one, do something, like drill, alternatives, all of the above, do something, cyclops.

Defense, quit espousing defeat in Washington, I think that would be a great change.

Education, throw out the teachers union as boss, do something different, cyclops, that would be change.

Quit blaming the rich and talking higher taxes, quit espousing misery, revamp our tax system, and regain the "can do" spirit in Washington, that would be refreshing, cyclops.

How about eliminating some useless bureaucracies in Washington, cyclops, that would be change, I would love it.

I for one, am fed up with Congress. I would love changing it.
Cycloptichorn
 
  3  
Thu 4 Sep, 2008 09:38 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Specifically, energy for one, do something, like drill, alternatives, all of the above, do something, cyclops.

Defense, quit espousing defeat in Washington, I think that would be a great change.

Education, throw out the teachers union as boss, do something different, cyclops, that would be change.

Quit blaming the rich and talking higher taxes, quit espousing misery, revamp our tax system, and regain the "can do" spirit in Washington, that would be refreshing, cyclops.

How about eliminating some useless bureaucracies in Washington, cyclops, that would be change, I would love it.

I for one, am fed up with Congress. I would love changing it.


But, those are the policies of the current administration. That's not a change. That's continuing to do the same thing that Bush talks about.

Nice try to jack the winning motif, tho

Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Thu 4 Sep, 2008 09:38 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Specifically, energy for one, do something, like drill, alternatives, all of the above, do something, cyclops.

Defense, quit espousing defeat in Washington, I think that would be a great change.

Education, throw out the teachers union as boss, do something different, cyclops, that would be change.

Quit blaming the rich and talking higher taxes, quit espousing misery, revamp our tax system, and regain the "can do" spirit in Washington, that would be refreshing, cyclops.

How about eliminating some useless bureaucracies in Washington, cyclops, that would be change, I would love it.

I for one, am fed up with Congress. I would love changing it.



+1 Mr. Green
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FreeDuck
 
  2  
Thu 4 Sep, 2008 09:38 am
@okie,
As of July it was at an all time low. Unfortunately for the Republicans, it's Democrats who so strongly disapprove.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/108856/Congressional-Approval-Hits-RecordLow-14.aspx
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FreeDuck
 
  2  
Thu 4 Sep, 2008 09:39 am
@H2O MAN,
But they're talking about delivering it right now, right?
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FreeDuck
 
  3  
Thu 4 Sep, 2008 09:40 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

I for one, am fed up with Congress. I would love changing it.


So who is your congressman and who are your senators? Are you going to vote them out?
joefromchicago
 
  2  
Thu 4 Sep, 2008 09:45 am
@Bi-Polar Bear,
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

Point taken....except for Bill Miler. In 1964 there was not 24/7 news as entertainment cable service, the general population, although probably even then the Springer generation, didn't have the chance to have such crap paraded before them day and night.... and Bill Miller didn't have a deliciously pregnant out of wedlock child with a self styled "******* redneckl" boyfriend to drool over and read about while online at the grocery counter. If the opportunity is there to rubberneck...people rubberneck. If the opportunity for viewers and listeners is there....the media will trot it out as long as possible.

My point about Bill Miller is that he was the running mate of a defeated presidential candidate, and a few years afterward he was doing American Express commercials asking viewers: "do you know me?" The fact is that we as a nation have a pretty short memory for losers (quick: who was Dole's running mate in '96?). If McCain-Palin wins in November, then we might expect that Bristol and her baby will be front-page news.

If.

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it is what it is and if Sara Palin wasn't smart enough to fully know and understand that simple little fact going in then she either didn't give a damn or isn't bright enough for the job. IMO.

Two distinct possibilities that are not at all exclusive.
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Diest TKO
 
  2  
Thu 4 Sep, 2008 09:46 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Anyone else find it ironic when the room starts to clap and cheer when the GOP puts down Washington?

Bush is in the White House, and the Republican members of Congress poll the worst. Attacking the status quo means very directly taking on their own party. Meanwhile everyone claps when the signs go up.

In addition, you have Palin talking about how the head of the "do nothing Senate" can't stand McCain. Be that as it may, she was selling this as if this was a good thing? I thought the "maverick" earned his name by reaching across party lines to get things done. How are we to take his claims to be sincere at all with this kind of message?

T
K
O
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okie
 
  2  
Thu 4 Sep, 2008 09:48 am
@Cycloptichorn,
You are close, but no cigar. That is the current administration, AND CONGRESS. Remember, the administration is not that conservative right now, on some domestic issues, and some issues the Congress has obstructed, such as drilling for our own oil. Bush tried to fix Social Security, but Congress obstructed. We are winning in Iraq, but Congress has cried and moaned defeat for 8 years, so blame that on Congress. Teachers unions, blame Congress. Bureacracies, blame both Bush and Congress. Congress, blame voters. Tax system, blame Congress for no imagination, nothing, just more of the same.
Diest TKO
 
  3  
Thu 4 Sep, 2008 09:52 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

You are close, but no cigar. That is the current administration, AND CONGRESS. Remember, the administration is not that conservative right now, on some domestic issues, and some issues the Congress has obstructed, such as drilling for our own oil. Bush tried to fix Social Security, but Congress obstructed. We are winning in Iraq, but Congress has cried and moaned defeat for 8 years, so blame that on Congress. Teachers unions, blame Congress. Bureacracies, blame both Bush and Congress. Congress, blame voters. Tax system, blame Congress for no imagination, nothing, just more of the same.


I'll blame you for your voting record and I'll note that your list of things you mention "just more of the same," but you're about to vote like a good little sheep again in two months.

T
K
O
okie
 
  2  
Thu 4 Sep, 2008 09:56 am
@FreeDuck,
I will vote Republican, but I only have the ability to influence in a very very tiny way my representatives in Washington, which is a very tiny minority of Congress. I am only one of 300 million people, Free Duck, so obviously I have zero influence over the bulk of the problem.
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Thu 4 Sep, 2008 10:00 am
@okie,
But Okie, they're not running for Congress! They are running for the WH, and McCain has the exact same policies as Bush when it comes to all that stuff! You can't run on a platform of reforming Congress, when you are running for President!

I would like to know what they are going to reform - in the executive branch, yaknow, the job they are applying for. The list of stuff you put out about Congress is immaterial.

Cycloptichorn
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H2O MAN
 
  0  
Thu 4 Sep, 2008 10:01 am
@Diest TKO,
Diest TKO wrote:


... you're about to vote like a good little sheep again in two months.



Yep, that's the democrat sheep for you. Party line all the way.

That's why they have earned the nickname " The DumbMasses"
Diest TKO
 
  2  
Thu 4 Sep, 2008 10:02 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

I will vote Republican, but I only have the ability to influence in a very very tiny way my representatives in Washington, which is a very tiny minority of Congress. I am only one of 300 million people, Free Duck, so obviously I have zero influence over the bulk of the problem.

What's your point?

Your vote says a lot, and not just to Washington. It says to the public at large what kind of credibility you have when complaining about the government. You're actions don't line up to your rhetoric. It's intellectual cowardice on your behalf.

T
K
O
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Diest TKO
 
  2  
Thu 4 Sep, 2008 10:05 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:


... you're about to vote like a good little sheep again in two months.



Yep, that's the democrat sheep for you. Party line all the way.

That's why they have earned the nickname " The DumbMasses"

I've never been a democrat. Their politics moved into my region of the political spectrum. My propeller is spinning and I'm moving forward, and though the wind is at my back, it doesn't make me a sailboat.

T
K
O
FreeDuck
 
  2  
Thu 4 Sep, 2008 10:07 am
@okie,
Oh no you don't. That could be said for each of us but that doesn't stop us from doing what we can. You will vote Republican, you said. I confess I don't know who your reps are -- are they Republican? Will you vote for the incumbents?
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H2O MAN
 
  -2  
Thu 4 Sep, 2008 10:08 am
@Diest TKO,
Diest TKO wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:


... you're about to vote like a good little sheep again in two months.



Yep, that's the democrat sheep for you. Party line all the way.

That's why they have earned the nickname " The DumbMasses"

I've never been a democrat. Their politics moved into my region of the political spectrum. My propeller is spinning and I'm moving forward, and though the wind is at my back, it doesn't make me a sailboat.



It's good to know that you have an open mind Cool
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Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Thu 4 Sep, 2008 10:38 am
Quote:
Fired Alaskan Official Says Palin Hasn't Been Truthful
Monegan Says He Was Fired For His Refusal to Fire Governor's Former Brother-In-Law

By BRIAN ROSS, JOSEPH RHEE, and LEN TEPPER

Sept. 4, 2008"

The fired Alaskan official, whose dismissal has become the subject of a state senate committee's investigation of Gov. Sarah Palin, has told ABC News that she has not been entirely truthful on the matter.

In a telephone interview Wednesday, Walt Monegan, the former Alaskan Public Safety Commissioner, said he was dismissed because he refused to fire the Governor's former brother-in-law, a state trooper.

"I believe I was fired because of, primarily the reason of her former brother-in-law," Monegan said. "I think that my unwillingness to take special action against her former brother-in-law was not well received."

Monegan says he believes that the Governor has not told the truth about what happened.

"I think there are some questions now that, coming to light about how transparent and how honest she wants to be," Monegan said.

The allegation against the Governor, which she denies, is that she wanted her former brother-in-law fired and pushed the Monegan to do it.

Palin has said she did nothing wrong and that she fired Monegan over a disagreement with him on budget priorities.

But the head of the state senate committee, a Democrat, now investigating the allegations says it smacks of abuse of power.

"You should never use your public office to settle a private score," said Sen. Hollis French. "And that's what the legislature is looking into, to what degree did the Governor's personal family relationship inject or get introduced into her work as Governor."

Palin has denied that Monegan's dismissal has anything to do with a family feud.

"It has absolutely nothing to do with replacing the Commissioner as we are trying to move forward with more energy in a new department," the Governor said in July.

But Palin's denials began to be challenged with the release of an audio tape of a telephone call between a member of her staff, Frank Bailey, and a state police official.

Bailey asks the officials why there's been reluctance to fire the brother in law.

"The Palins can't figure out why nothing's going on. And here's the problem that's gonna happen is that, there is a possibility because Wooten is an ex-husband of the governor's sister, and there is a custody situation, there is a strong possibility that the Governor herself may get subpoenaed to talk about all this stuff on the stand. Right in the coming months, which would be, it would be ugly," Bailey says.

"I mean, you know, I don't think anybody wants that. But you know, Todd and Sarah are scratching their heads, you know, why on Earth -- why is this guy still representing the department?," he asks.

And then later, a more direct reference to the commissioner Walt Monegan.

"I'm telling you honestly, I mean, she really likes Walt a lot, but on this issue, she feel like she doesn't know why there is absolutely no action for a year on this issue. It's very, very troubling to her and the family," Bailey said.

Bailey was scheduled to be deposed by state investigators Wednesday, but his lawyer canceled the deposition saying that Palin's attorney has informed him he was prepared to challenge the legislature's jurisdiction in the matter.

The Governor has told reporters in Alaska the phone call was harmless.

"It seemed to be he just inquiring I think trying to process what do you do if there are complaints against a trooper and what is the status of this trooper," Palin said last month.

"Though you will hear on the CD that it does sound like he's calling on behalf of the Governor, Sarah, he refers to me as Sarah. He's asking on behalf of me," she explained.

But Sen. French says the issue has resulted in a credibility gap for the Governor.

"There's the issue of the Frank Bailey call suggesting that the Palins are upset, the Palins are confused, the Palins don't understand why this person is still working for the Department of Public Safety," said French. "So I believe there's evidence out there that's going to be damaging to the Governor's position."

As for Monegan, he says he is disappointed in a woman for whom he once had high regard.

"It disappoints me and it's because I expected more from her. I expected so much more and I just wish it hadn't," Monegan said.

"None of this gives me either pride or pleasure being involved in this because I've been part of the government. Bottom line is I would like to see the truth, that's all."

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Cycloptichorn
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