Anorexic Looking Woman at Work - Pregnant

This sounds a tad, I don't know, fertilizerish.

I know for a fact that there are areas of the globe where there are starving people.

I know for a fact[/b] that a certain percentage of those people are starving.

So are you interceding to whatever extent you can with all of those folks? You're really putting yourself out? All of your spare time and money is going to these folks?

"Whatever extent I can" sounds really weasely to me. It sounds more like "whatever extent I feel like, when I feel like it, when it really doesn't cost me much." It sounds a lot like O'Bill's "I'm part of an awareness campaign" kinda bullshit.




You're all about helping fetuses are you? Riggghhht.

Please don't put words in my mouth.

I said "If I knew for a fact a woman was......"

Meaning, in this case, someone you work with, someone you know.


Too bad it sounds weasly to you, because it's not. When I say whatever extent I can, I mean to every extent it is possible, and if I knew it was the right thing, I wouldn't care who said I should mind my own business.

If I knew that a woman (meaning a woman I know, not "the women of the world") was starving herself, taking drugs, doing something that would f*ck up the kid big time...I'm not going to waste my time discussing it with her.

That is for someone who I know that looks like she's having a problem, maybe not her fault, and out of concern somewhat for the mothers health, but mostly for the baby, I'd ask.

If in a more extreme case, I'm not going to go very far with talking. Only as far as it takes me to determine somethings really wrong. Then I'd call CPS, not that I think they can do anything, since the baby isn't born yet, but it'd be a start. I'd eventually talk to someone who has the authority to take the woman in, help with/remedy the situation.

All this "It's my body" stuff only goes so far. Once you've decided to keep the pregnancy/child, your body is only there to give that fetus the best it's got. Until the kids out of you, it ain't your body beyond being an incubator.

This doesn't have anything really to do with fetus Drew Dad, but with people who aren't capable of helping themselves.

I called APC for an elderly woman with alzheimers. She would wander the streets at all hours, but neighbors watched out for her. The one thing she did know was the streets of the neighborhood. When I saw she had a bruise that covered half her face, and went down into her shirt, and came out the sleeve to cover her wrist. I asked what was wrong. In her own way, she told me to mind my own business, by telling me she just had a case of Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever.

Did she fall? Did her husband hit her? Someone else?
APS got out there to access the situation. Never mind the long story after that, but she was definitely safer in the neighborhood after that.

I'd do the same thing for a small human.

I'm not into raising awareness crap. I'm into action when I see someone being shortchanged of their right to nourishment/safety and some other essentials.

I can't do **** for a pregnant woman in Sudan. I can do something about someone I know who is starving their kid, born or not.

Of course someone abusing starving someone else is going to tell you to mind your own business. So will someone with whom you have really stepped over the line. The thing is to have the cahones to not mind your own business when you know it's the right thing to get involved.

OK, so you're willing to look outside the tunnel of your own life far enough to help folks occasionally.

Which is not me being a smartass; lots of folk aren't willing to do that.



This I get. This sounds genuine.

But don't BS me about "I'd feel obligated as a human to intercede to whatever extent I could."

Sorry if I'm coming off as all literal today.



This sounds like some scary **** to me, though.

We have had 8 pregnancies where I work over the last 3 years (beginning a second round).


It's amazing how different people look.

We had two really tall skinny ones...and it does look amazing as they get along in the months!

The shorter women were way more uncomfortable earlier, and got generally fatter.

Frankly drewdad, you're a perfect example.

I don't care if you think I'm bs'ing when I know I'm not.

I don't care if you think what I say is scary.

I know what I'd do.

Pregnancy is so individual - but before anyone comments on anyone else's weight or style of carrying, it's probably good to know that the system is specifically designed so that the growing fetus is nourished first - sometimes at the expense of the mother's health (for example, calcium can be diverted to the fetus to help form bone mass to the point that it impacts the mother's teeth and bone mass negatively).

It's also dangerous to gain too much weight while pregnant in that overly large babies are more susceptible to diabetes and lifelong problems with obesity and all the health issues that brings along with it.

In my case every time I had a check up and got my fundus measured (the size of my bump - they measure from the bottom to the top) it was always small for how far along I was - to the point that my doctor finally ordered an ultrasound to make sure the baby was developing on schedule. I was convinced I was gonna have this tiny little baby (I pictured a girl)- and always self-conscious about telling other pregnant women in the doctor's office with me how far along I was because they'd always comment - 'you don't look big enough to be that far along' - but it turned out to be fine - my pelvis was wide and accomodated the baby without sticking out much. I gained twenty-eight pounds and my son weighed 7 pounds and 14 ounces. Everyone was pretty surprised-they all told me later they were worried. I'm glad they didn't tell me at the time- it would have only added more stress and worry to that I already had myself.
I guess I'd assume if she wants the baby, she's doing the best she can to gain the weight she needs to. I wouldn't make her worry any more than she already might be and trust that she's discussing what's best for herself and her baby with her doctor.

I wasn't tall but I only gained 19 pounds when pregnant with the twins. I lost it almost as soon as I had them. I was told I looked like I was carrying a basketball up until the last couple of months...then it looked like a 13 pound friggin' watermelon. Carried them straight out in front. They were 6lb 5oz and 6lb 8oz and healthy as could be. People said they couldn't tell I was pregnant from the back.

Probably looks unusual because the lady is so tall...it probably would have with me too...but I am 5'4" - so everything just went out. No room between ribs and pelvis.

You are obviously not interceding "to whatever extent you could." Therefore, it is BS. Q.E.D.

I feel compelled to add few more points.

I find the idea that pregnant women are primarily baby factories to be repellent.

I find your assertion that it really has to do "with people who aren't capable of helping themselves" to be complete BS, too.

I'm certain that there are malnourished kids in Austin.

I'm certain that there are mothers who aren't breastfeeding, which has some pretty clear near- and long-term health benefits for the baby.

I'm certain that there are elderly folks being mistreated in Austin.

Are ya doin' all you can do to help them?


You're fronting. But it's BS, and we can all see it.

Should there be a law that says you have to breast feed? Should you also have to display your tits in public for dd's enjoyment?

Just wondering.

I just thought this woman looked funny. And she does.

While I'm sure that your moobs are a source of great enjoyment for you, I assure you that the idea of seeing your DDs repels me for a number of reasons.

Sounds like you've finally achieved your goal of having warheads, though.

Backpeddaling looks good on you, drewdropbob.

Backpeddling? Are you more than normally crazy tonight?

How so?

I've already made it clear that I wasn't talking about all the starving women of the world.....a fact that was clear in the first place.

I'm not even talking about all the starving/abused people in austin.

I said, and now for the third time, I'm speaking of a person I would actually know.....a person that I already would have determined to be causing harm to their unborn child. That person having made the choice to keep and give birth to a child, is under no less obligation to nourish the fetus than if the baby was already living outside of her.

Again, shoving words into my mouth, which you're doing quite frequently lately, I never said a woman is a baby machine.

I said, if a woman makes the decision to keep the baby, she can no longer claim her body as her own (until such time the baby is no longer in her) As others have already said, the fetus will take priority over the womans nutritional needs. What goes in the woman first goes to the needs of the baby. The woman is a living incubator with all her resources aimed at the fetus.

A woman who is knowingly damaging her fetus through starvation, drug use, etc, is accountable for the harm she's inflicting.

Maybe we could have a discussion about this if you stopped twisting, taking out of context, and misquoting me, attributing to me things I never said.
However, we can't apparantly, as long as you make assumptions as to what I would do, or would not do.

If you're going to answer with more of your starving women all over the world, women/baby machine dreck, forget it.

I'm not going to continue to repeat myself either. I'm guessing you think you're getting my goat, when in fact, Im just seeing you as pretending to be dense.

Finally, your comment about "everyone" knowing I'm full of bs. number 1, I haven't seen anyone else write that, and 2....speak for yourself, don't drag others, in this case, imaginary others, on your side.

No more posts on this subject, so feel free to take your last shot, I'm sure it's coming, but it won't be read, at least by me.

Not pretending to be dense, but just pointing out how grandiose your statements sounded to me. Reminded me of O'Bill, and touched a nerve I suppose.




I'm only quoting you on the baby factory stuff. Even in that last post you stated, "the woman is a living incubator with all her resources aimed at the fetus."

Maybe you think that you're just restating "That person having made the choice to keep and give birth to a child, is under no less obligation to nourish the fetus than if the baby was already living outside of her."

But, I assure you, that the two statements are not the same.

Well, the baby is going to take what it needs. The baby might suffer but the mother will suffer more.

Good gravy, DrewDad. I read everything Chai wrote in this thread and not only do I not think she was full of BS in what she wrote, I agree with her ..... and find her willingness to try and help the unborn child commendable.

...which is exactly what she sought by making that grandiose statement. "Goodness, that Chai is one tough hombrette to be willing to say the non-PC thing, make the hard choice, and stick up for the fetus." Except she hasn't made the hard choice, in spite of there being lots of really terrific things for her to make the hard choice about. She talked out of her butt on and Internet board.

But it's fine if you find that commendable.

It's all moot. Knowing cj, it's easy to guess that what he dubs "anorexic-looking" is probably just a tall thin woman. Most women who decide to give birth want their babies to be healthy and will take care of themselves and get prenatal care. The fact that (he thinks) she looks funny still doesn't make it any of his business. Or ours.

cj, just how boring is your job these days?

She's still pregnant, and still anorexic looking.

I'd put her at 5'8", and about 100 lbs soaking wet.