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Will Obama get ALL American troops out in sixteen months?

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2008 03:51 pm
What new topic did I start?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2008 06:08 am
rabel22 wrote:
MM
When you have a president as inept as Bush you will have to give the next president at least a year to turn the economy. Under Bush the dollar dropped to the lowest value in years. Because of his Iraq war the price of oil rose to the highest level in history. Were spending 2 billion $ a year because of bush. Your already blaming a democratic president for the economy before he is even elected. At least try to be realistic.


I am willing to give him till his third state of the union speech.
His first year, he will still be operating under Bush's last budget.
His second year, his economic policies will have only been in effect 1 year.
So, I will give him till his third year.

And by then, you nor any other dem will be able to blame his failures on Bush, because not only will Bush not be President, Obama will have had his own policies in effect long enough for them to be working (or not).

But you sidestepped my question...
Will you hold Obama accountable if he doesnt turn the economy around in his first term (assuming he gets re-elected)?
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rabel22
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2008 08:44 am
Ill hold the democratic party accountable just as I have held the republican party responsible for our present cluster fu-k. The republican congress, president and supremes caused the trouble were in by walking hand in hand without thinking for themselves and doing whatever the Bush people wanted. Its time for the government to be a government of all the people instead of 10% of the people. If it were up to me I wouldn't reelect an incumbent ever no matter how good a job he seems to be doing. Let me add that the voters are also responsible because they cant be bothered to check out their politicians. If every voter were like most of the a2kers we would have a better government.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2008 09:38 am
Quote:
Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki told a German magazine he supported prospective U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's proposal that U.S. troops should leave Iraq within 16 months.

"U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes."

Asked if he supported Obama's ideas more than those of John McCain, Republican presidential hopeful, Maliki said he did not want to recommend who people should vote for.

"Whoever is thinking about the shorter term is closer to reality. Artificially extending the stay of U.S. troops would cause problems."


Wow, the 16th month thing is looking more likely.

This is by all measures an endorsement of Obama.

Cycloptichorn
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real life
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2008 09:53 am
Re: Will Obama get ALL American troops out in sixteen months
kickycan wrote:
Assuming Obama becomes Prez, do you believe Obama will keep this campaign promise?


Most Democrats know he will not, and they will vote for him anyway.

So, it's really only important to say what others want to hear.

The UN was fine with signing on to resolutions to allow military action in Iraq, until member nations realized George Bush actually would do what they had agreed must be done.

The words they were ok with. But they didn't expect action to follow.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2008 10:09 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:
Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki told a German magazine he supported prospective U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's proposal that U.S. troops should leave Iraq within 16 months.

"U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes."

Asked if he supported Obama's ideas more than those of John McCain, Republican presidential hopeful, Maliki said he did not want to recommend who people should vote for.

"Whoever is thinking about the shorter term is closer to reality. Artificially extending the stay of U.S. troops would cause problems."



Cyclo, The wording that Bush used vs what the Iraqi government wants are worlds apart; Bush will set a "horizon time-table" that takes into consideration how "our" government thinks the Iraqi army can take over their own security. That's not a time-table; it's a condition.
Wow, the 16th month thing is looking more likely.

This is by all measures an endorsement of Obama.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2008 10:10 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:
Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki told a German magazine he supported prospective U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's proposal that U.S. troops should leave Iraq within 16 months.

"U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes."

Asked if he supported Obama's ideas more than those of John McCain, Republican presidential hopeful, Maliki said he did not want to recommend who people should vote for.

"Whoever is thinking about the shorter term is closer to reality. Artificially extending the stay of U.S. troops would cause problems."




Wow, the 16th month thing is looking more likely.

This is by all measures an endorsement of Obama.

Cycloptichorn



Cyclo, The wording that Bush used vs what the Iraqi government wants are worlds apart; Bush will set a "horizon time-table" that takes into consideration how "our" government thinks the Iraqi army can take over their own security. That's not a time-table; it's a condition.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2008 10:27 am
"Whoever is thinking about the shorter term is closer to reality.
Artificially extending the stay of U.S. troops would cause problems."

That's not an endorsement or a show of support for either candidate.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2008 10:43 am
Re: Will Obama get ALL American troops out in sixteen months
real life wrote:
The UN was fine with signing on to resolutions to allow military action in Iraq ...

Name one.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2008 12:48 pm
Re: Will Obama get ALL American troops out in sixteen months
joefromchicago wrote:
real life wrote:
The UN was fine with signing on to resolutions to allow military action in Iraq ...

Name one.



That's the problem with these conservatives; they forget history. real does't remember that the Bush regime tried to get UN approval for the Iraq war, and they failed. They (the Bush cabal) started calling the UN names saying the UN was useless, and started their preemptive war.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2008 12:49 pm
Not only that, but Bush chased out the UN weapon's inspectors to start his illegal war.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2008 12:51 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Not only that, but Bush chased out the UN weapon's inspectors to start his illegal war.


No, Sadam chased them out and denied further request by the UN to inspect.

The action Bush and allies took was legal and right.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2008 12:59 pm
H2O_MAN wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Not only that, but Bush chased out the UN weapon's inspectors to start his illegal war.


No, Sadam chased them out and denied further request by the UN to inspect.

The action Bush and allies took was legal and right.


See! Even H2O forgot his history. The old saying, there's no cure for stupid holds true again.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2008 01:00 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Not only that, but Bush chased out the UN weapon's inspectors to start his illegal war.


No, Sadam chased them out and denied further request by the UN to inspect.

The action Bush and allies took was legal and right.


See! Even H2O forgot his history. The old saying, there's no cure for stupid holds true again.


And you are the stupid one once again.
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2008 01:07 pm
You are both right, but H2OMan is more correct in the spirit of what really took place. Hussein chased them out, Clinton did nothing, that was after he shot a missile or so two into an aspirin factory to divert attention away from his impeachment, Hussen then let them back in, under conditions, to play cat and mouse games, until finally Bush had seen enough years and threats go by that he finally decided to enforce all the threats of the U.N., etc., to the U.N.'s surprise of course because they were all talk and no do, and finally a president that meant what he said - what a surprise, so Bush had the inspectors leave so that they would not be harmed.

I did not look all of that up, but that is what I remember.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2008 01:09 pm
Iraq agrees to unconditional return of UN weapons inspectors - Annan
[Annan speaking to the press]

Annan speaking to the press
16 September 2002 - Iraq has agreed to allow United Nations weapons inspectors back into the country without any conditions, Secretary-General Kofi Annan announced Monday evening at UN Headquarters in New York.

The announcement came after he met earlier in the day with Iraqi Foreign Minister Naji Sabri and the Secretary-General of the League of Arab Nations, Amre Moussa.

Speaking to reporters, the Secretary-General said he believed that US President George W. Bush's speech last week at the UN had "galvanized" the international community. "As most of you heard, almost every speaker in the General Assembly urged Iraq to accept the return of the inspectors," he said.

The Secretary-General said Baghdad's decision had been conveyed to him in a letter from the Iraqi authorities, which he has forwarded to the President of the Security Council.

"[The Council] will have to decide what they do next," he said, adding that Hans Blix, chairman of the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC), and his team would be ready to continue their work.

Mr. Annan paid particular tribute to all the Member States, and to the Arab League, that played a key role, and thanked Mr. Moussa "for his strenuous efforts in helping to convince Iraq to allow the return of the inspectors."

And from CNN.com:


Iraq agrees to weapons inspections

September 17, 2002 Posted: 3:26 AM EDT (0726 GMT)
Annan confirmed Monday that Iraq had agreed to allow weapons inspectors to return without conditions.
Annan confirmed Monday that Iraq had agreed to allow weapons inspectors to return without conditions.

UNITED NATIONS (CNN) -- In a letter handed over to the United Nations on Monday, Iraq said it would allow the return of U.N. weapons inspectors "without conditions" to "remove any doubts Iraq still possesses weapons of mass destruction."

The White House was dismissive of Iraq's pledge: "We do not take what Saddam says at face value," said a Bush administration official, referring to Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2008 01:10 pm
LOL

Quote:


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/white-house-acc.htmll

Well, if reporters didn't know before, they know now. Laughing

Cycloptichorn
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2008 01:10 pm
Bush barely gave the inspectors time to get out before the awe and destruction began.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2008 01:12 pm
From USAToday:

Updated 3/17/2003 1:16 PM


Inspectors advised to leave Iraq
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2008 01:27 pm
edgarblythe wrote:
awe and destruction


Shock and Awe

http://www.jennifer-eccleston.com/jennifer_eccleston/pictures/jennifer_eccleston_miss_shock_and_awe.jpg
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