Brandon9000 wrote:Diest TKO wrote:I've been on the road. Back now...
To address your question 9000, I would begin by saying it doesn't matter what another country does or does not provide. We are talking about what we claim to provide; who we claim to be. Having said that, people in the Netherlands and Denmark live lives which are truly more free than ours, if you still think the question is relevant. Take a cross section of our countries social policies versus theirs, you'll see a clear difference.
What makes them more free? Be specific.
Read below... I was giving examples.
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Diest TKO wrote:Here we police people's womb and bedroom.
Abortion was illegal for most of the history of the US, so it hardly amounts to losing the freedom the Founders gave us. As for the bedroom, please give me an example of how private sexual behavior is regulated to any significant degree.
Hello? Sodomy laws. Ever heard of them? You know what they do right? They police very specifically what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their home.
As for abortion, after a clear ruling by the supreme court, the laws making abortion illegal were found unconstitutional: That a state could not deny a woman. After a clear and decisive ruling, you have a political movement trying to one up it. It's already happening, the ruling on partial birth abortion, cited the anomaly of P.A.S. (post abortion syndrome) yet in the same decision even admits that no authority on the matter (namely the APA) recognize the syndrome as being legitimate.
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Diest TKO wrote:We have destroyed Habeas Corpus, and treat due process as if it was optional.
I assert that although there may be some issues with military prisoners, these things have not been degraded to any significant degree. You give no examples, but just talk in slogans. Give an example or two to show that your assertion is correct.
A significant degree? You play along here 9000, tell me what would constitute "significant" to you. I could simply remind you of how we detain and torture (without charging) individuals suspected of terrorism. What about domestic wire-tapping? Tell me 9000, at what point does it become "significant" to you?
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Diest TKO wrote:Here we have a justice system which will send blacks to death row while sending whites to life sentences for committing the same crimes.
We set a very high standard for courtroom procedures in the US. If, and I say if, because you haven't shown it to be true, if juries tend to sentence black people to prison more frequently for the same crimes, then how does that indicate anything negative about the law or the government? Do you want to eliminate trial by jury?
I don't want to eliminate trail by jury, but I'd love to have a more detailed review process of our DAs and their record for excusing jury members etc. If we have such a high standard, why don't YOU explain why this is?
An umber of articles here:
http://www.aclu.org/capital/unequal/index.html
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Diest TKO wrote:Where is the accountability? Where is the liberty for all? Justice for all?
What do you mean when you ask where the accountability is? People are held accountable by the law, at least to the degree that they are anywhere.
While we are at it, explain to me the Justice in protecting companies that bankrupt our citizens?
Explain to me why the most able receive the largest help?
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Diest TKO wrote:"Indivisible?" Nonsense. Our country is encouraged to divide. Those who seek out compromise are labeled negatively.
I don't want to rid of the pledge, I just want it to mean something. I want it to be about the country I live in, not the country I pretend to live in.
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Why do we buy yellow ribbon magnets that say "support the troops," when not a cent of it does that?
Why do we buy American flags manufactured from Chinese labor?
Never mind, just tell me why it's okay to ignore it. Tell me how loud to say the pledge. Tell me which direction to face. Tell me which god it is that I am under.
Go ahead. Tell me about America, the republic. Tell me what it stands for. Tell me how much it's willing to lose. Tell me about civil liberties, you'll never be asked to give up. Tell me about what rights your okay with others losing as long as it's not yours.
Tell me, and try not to blush.
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