2
   

Fear of a Black President

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Tue 5 Aug, 2008 09:16 pm
Thomas Sowell is another one who has gone astray. The guy is just as insane as McCain; he "wants" McCain to push the red botton for a nuclear holocaust.
0 Replies
 
JTT
 
  0  
Reply Tue 5 Aug, 2008 09:34 pm
H2O_MAN wrote:
Thomas Sowell
Rose and Milton Friedman Senior Fellow
The Hoover Institution
Stanford University
Stanford , California 94305
~~~~~~~~~ Professor Sowell's Article ~~~~~~~~~~

Barack Obama, you are a fine public speaker. You are also an extremely liberal Senator from the State of Illinois , which has a long and rich history of political corruption of the first magnitude. You are indeed a child of that system.


But, unfortunately, General Colin Powell is not running, and YOU are NOT the man for this job!



Quote:


* Behind Colin Powell's Legend -- My Lai

By Robert Parry & Norman Solomon

On March 16, 1968, a bloodied unit of the Americal division stormed into a hamlet known as My Lai 4. With military helicopters circling overhead, revenge-seeking American soldiers rousted Vietnamese civilians -- mostly old men, women and children -- from their thatched huts and herded them into the village's irrigation ditches.

As the round-up continued, some Americans raped the girls. Then, under orders from junior officers on the ground, soldiers began emptying their M-16s into the terrified peasants. Some parents desperately used their bodies to try to shield their children from the bullets. Soldiers stepped among the corpses to finish off the wounded.

The slaughter raged for four hours. A total of 347 Vietnamese, including babies, died in the carnage that would stain the reputation of the U.S. Army. But there also were American heroes that day in My Lai. Some soldiers refused to obey the direct orders to kill.

A pilot named Hugh Clowers Thompson Jr. from Stone Mountain, Ga., was furious at the killings he saw happening on the ground. He landed his helicopter between one group of fleeing civilians and American soldiers in pursuit. Thompson ordered his helicopter door gunner to shoot the Americans if they tried to harm the Vietnamese. After a tense confrontation, the soldiers backed off. Later, two of Thompson's men climbed into one ditch filled with corpses and pulled out a three-year-old boy whom they flew to safety.

...


But a test soon confronted Maj. Powell. A letter had been written by a young specialist fourth class named Tom Glen, who had served in an Americal mortar platoon and was nearing the end of his Army tour. In a letter to Gen. Creighton Abrams, the commander of all U.S. forces in Vietnam, Glen accused the Americal division of routine brutality against civilians. Glen's letter was forwarded to the Americal headquarters at Chu Lai where it landed on Maj. Powell's desk.

"The average GI's attitude toward and treatment of the Vietnamese people all too often is a complete denial of all our country is attempting to accomplish in the realm of human relations," Glen wrote. "Far beyond merely dismissing the Vietnamese as 'slopes' or 'gooks,' in both deed and thought, too many American soldiers seem to discount their very humanity; and with this attitude inflict upon the Vietnamese citizenry humiliations, both psychological and physical, that can have only a debilitating effect upon efforts to unify the people in loyalty to the Saigon government, particularly when such acts are carried out at unit levels and thereby acquire the aspect of sanctioned policy."

Glen's letter contended that many Vietnamese were fleeing from Americans who "for mere pleasure, fire indiscriminately into Vietnamese homes and without provocation or justification shoot at the people themselves." Gratuitous cruelty was also being inflicted on Viet Cong suspects, Glen reported.

Maj. Powell's Response
The letter's troubling allegations were not well received at Americal headquarters. Maj. Powell undertook the assignment to review Glen's letter, but did so without questioning Glen or assigning anyone else to talk with him. Powell simply accepted a claim from Glen's superior officer that Glen was not close enough to the front lines to know what he was writing about, an assertion Glen denies.

After that cursory investigation, Powell drafted a response on Dec. 13, 1968. He admitted to no pattern of wrongdoing. Powell claimed that U.S. soldiers in Vietnam were taught to treat Vietnamese courteously and respectfully. The Americal troops also had gone through an hour-long course on how to treat prisoners of war under the Geneva Conventions, Powell noted.

"There may be isolated cases of mistreatment of civilians and POWs," Powell wrote in 1968. But "this by no means reflects the general attitude throughout the Division." Indeed, Powell's memo faulted Glen for not complaining earlier and for failing to be more specific in his letter.

Powell reported back exactly what his superiors wanted to hear. "In direct refutation of this [Glen's] portrayal," Powell concluded, "is the fact that relations between Americal soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent."

Powell's findings, of course, were false. But it would take another Americal hero, an infantryman named Ron Ridenhour, to piece together the truth about the atrocity at My Lai. After returning to the United States, Ridenhour interviewed Americal comrades who had participated in the massacre.

MAM Hunts
Powell did include, however, a troubling recollection that belied his 1968 official denial of Glen's allegation that American soldiers "without provocation or justification shoot at the people themselves." After mentioning the My Lai massacre in My American Journey, Powell penned a partial justification of the Americal's brutality. In a chilling passage, Powell explained the routine practice of murdering unarmed male Vietnamese.

"I recall a phrase we used in the field, MAM, for military-age male," Powell wrote. "If a helo spotted a peasant in black pajamas who looked remotely suspicious, a possible MAM, the pilot would circle and fire in front of him. If he moved, his movement was judged evidence of hostile intent, and the next burst was not in front, but at him. Brutal? Maybe so. But an able battalion commander with whom I had served at Gelnhausen (West Germany), Lt. Col. Walter Pritchard, was killed by enemy sniper fire while observing MAMs from a helicopter. And Pritchard was only one of many. The kill-or-be-killed nature of combat tends to dull fine perceptions of right and wrong."

While it's certainly true that combat is brutal, mowing down unarmed civilians is not combat. It is, in fact, a war crime. Neither can the combat death of a fellow soldier be cited as an excuse to murder civilians. Disturbingly, that was precisely the rationalization that the My Lai killers cited in their own defense.

But returning home from Vietnam a second time in 1969, Powell had proved himself the consummate team player.


http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/colin3.html

0 Replies
 
teenyboone
 
  1  
Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2008 03:17 am
Re: Fear of a Black President
snood wrote:
White people of A2K: Please read and respond as honestly as you can to this blog by a writer named Seth Grahame-SmithÂ…

UPDATE: It seems like a lot of you are reading this and concluding that I'm either an idiot or a racist. I'll cop to being an idiot -- HuffPo probably isn't the best forum for unflattering self-analysis, especially where race is involved. But let me point out two things: one, I believe Senator Obama will be our next president.
I've donated to his campaign and phone banked on his behalf, and I believe he's a brilliant, once-in-a-lifetime leader -- not because of the color of his skin, but because of the content of his character, and the quality of his mind. I agree with djarvis: "we are electing a person, not a symbol."
Two, what I was trying to do was identify that fear of the unknown (which I believe is the root of all prejudice) and shame it. I failed to make either point. So idiot? Sure. Note to self: less soul-searching, more McCain bashing. Anyway, here's the piece, warts and all. -- SGS

--------------------------------------------------------------------
I like being white.
Generally speaking, it's the easiest color in America to be.
It's so easy being white that when someone discriminates against me because I'm white, it's called "reverse" racism. My racism has its own special name -- that's how cool it is to be white. I can walk into any store without being followed; hail the cab of my choice; and there's not a country club that wouldn't welcome me, so long as I was clad in the requisite slacks and collared shirt.

I'm a liberal, college-educated white guy. I think gays should be allowed to marry, I think women deserve equal pay for equal work, and I firmly believe that the more ethnically diverse America becomes, the more perfect and lasting our Union will be.
But there's something about the idea of a black president that scares the **** out of me.

Until now, the notion of a black chief executive has belonged exclusively to Hollywood. I remember seeing Morgan Freeman in Deep Impact, and thinking what a cool, novel choice it was to cast a black man as the president of the United States. Cool, because it hit my progressive sweet spot. "Yes! That's the way the world should work!" Novel, because the idea seemed impossible. And that was scarcely ten years ago.

But the idea is very real now. A black man may well become the leader of the free world. And even for someone who fancies himself a progressive, that's forced me to take a long, hard look at what that would really mean to my white mind. To identify that tiny, obscure part of me that's suddenly afraid, and find out what its problem is.

Here's what I found.
It's been easy believing in equality, because part of me -- the part that's suddenly afraid -- didn't really think we'd ever achieve it.

For as long as I can remember, I've felt secure as a white person. Secure in the unspoken belief that no matter how much social progress we made in America -- no matter how many blacks and Latinos graduated Magna Cum Laude or how many trophies Tiger won -- that we'd always be the ruling class from sea to shining sea.

That belief was so ingrained in my DNA that nothing could shake it loose. Not the first billionaires of color, not the surging growth of the Latino population, not the Congressional Black Caucus...not even Oprah.
For though my better angels usually won the day, and though I was happy with the strides America was making, I was also -- deep down in that DNA -- gratified by the knowledge that mine was still the easiest color in America to be.

But a black president? That's different.
A black president means anything is possible. It means that that last little parcel of earth -- which for 232 years has been solely inhabited by white men -- is now open to people of all colors. That may seem insignificant. After all, there are black CEOs, black movie stars, black Senators...but the "highest office in the land" is just that.

The problem is, I think there are untold numbers of whites who can't bring themselves to pull the lever for Obama because of that fear -- the fear that a black president somehow takes us white folks down a notch.
I have friends and family members who support Obama as I do, but who are "certain" he won't win in November for this very reason. They just don't think white America is ready to pull that lever. Ready to put their vote where their mouth is.

Some of these hypothetical people are simply racists. People who've let that fear consume them, and who would never vote for a black candidate no matter what. Others are like me -- whites who embrace equality, and who've loved people of all colors with all their hearts, but who (somewhere deep down in that DNA) are afraid of what this brave new world will look like. Of what their place in it will -- or won't -- be.

As for me? I don't think we've arrived in a "post-racial" America just yet, but I have faith that more of us white folks are ready to give it a try than ever before.
I guess we'll see how big those better angels have grown.

I believe your beginning narrative says it all after what I saw McCain do yesterday. He literally made a public "a$$" of himself and embarrassed his wife, who I'm sure is a lovely person. She has to be! :wink:
0 Replies
 
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2008 06:33 am
Re: Fear of a Black President
teenyboone wrote:

I believe your beginning narrative says it all after what I saw McCain do yesterday.


Please tell us what you saw yesterday ~
0 Replies
 
ican711nm
 
  0  
Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2008 01:18 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Thomas Sowell is another one who has gone astray. The guy is just as insane as McCain; he "wants" McCain to push the red botton for a nuclear holocaust.

CRAZY MALARKEY!
0 Replies
 
teenyboone
 
  1  
Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2008 01:24 pm
Re: Fear of a Black President
H2O_MAN wrote:
teenyboone wrote:

I believe your beginning narrative says it all after what I saw McCain do yesterday.


Please tell us what you saw yesterday ~

A white man making a fool of himself, etc. His speech wasn't spontaneous and I'm sure the bikers were there to see musicians, instead of him! His try at being casual wasn't at all relaxed. He appeared to be nervous and grasping for straws! Cool
0 Replies
 
RexRed
 
  1  
Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2008 04:55 pm
The vanilla bean has a dark skin... Smile
0 Replies
 
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2008 06:53 am
RexRed wrote:
The vanilla bean has a dark skin... Smile


Jimmy Carter has a tan... Smile
0 Replies
 
RexRed
 
  1  
Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2008 08:59 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
RexRed wrote:
The vanilla bean has a dark skin... Smile


Jimmy Carter has a tan... Smile



Carter is a nut not a bean... Smile
0 Replies
 
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2008 09:05 am
RexRed wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
RexRed wrote:
The vanilla bean has a dark skin... Smile


Jimmy Carter has a tan... Smile



Carter is a nut not a bean... Smile


Yes, and Obama fell from the same bush... Very Happy
0 Replies
 
RexRed
 
  1  
Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2008 09:22 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
RexRed wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
RexRed wrote:
The vanilla bean has a dark skin... Smile


Jimmy Carter has a tan... Smile



Carter is a nut not a bean... Smile


Yes, and Obama fell from the same bush... Very Happy


Nuts and beans dropping from the same GOP tree. Smile
0 Replies
 
Diest TKO
 
  2  
Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2008 10:11 am
...

T
K
O
0 Replies
 
real life
 
  1  
Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2008 10:44 am
RexRed wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
RexRed wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
RexRed wrote:
The vanilla bean has a dark skin... Smile


Jimmy Carter has a tan... Smile



Carter is a nut not a bean... Smile


Yes, and Obama fell from the same bush... Very Happy


Nuts and beans dropping from the same GOP tree. Smile


Carter is a pill.
0 Replies
 
RexRed
 
  1  
Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2008 12:08 pm
http://www.wmtw.com/news/17120571/detail.html?treets=port&tml=port_natlbreak&ts=T&tmi=port_natlbreak_1_09530308072008

Another one of Barack's "mentors" perhaps?

Implied fear turns to disgust.

dig the mobster pinstripes (oh they changed the picture to a light brown suit, earlier this AM he was in black with white pinstripes.)

Pinstripe mayor
http://www.nationalheritageareas.com/pics/Detroit_Mayor.jpg

Pimped out mayor
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2272/2190485366_790b95ce53.jpg

Nothing to fear here... huh?
0 Replies
 
mysteryman
 
  1  
Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2008 12:29 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Thomas Sowell is another one who has gone astray. The guy is just as insane as McCain; he "wants" McCain to push the red botton for a nuclear holocaust.


Would he still be "insane" if he agreed with you?
0 Replies
 
ican711nm
 
  1  
Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2008 02:27 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Thomas Sowell is another one who has gone astray. The guy is just as insane as McCain; he "wants" McCain to push the red botton for a nuclear holocaust.


Thomas Sowell does not want McCain to push the red botton for a nuclear holocaust.

Thomas Sowell wants you to understand basic economics. So he wrote an excellent 627 page book for you titled Basic Economics, A Common Sense Guide to the Economy, Third Edition.

It might help Barack Obama but unfortunately Barack Obama is as insane as cicerone imposter!
0 Replies
 
Diest TKO
 
  1  
Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2008 02:45 pm
rexred - Are you telling us to pay attention to a person's clothing? The way they look?

T
K
O
0 Replies
 
ican711nm
 
  1  
Reply Thu 7 Aug, 2008 03:18 pm

Quote:
Detroit Mayor Ordered To Jail
Kwame Kilpatrick Violated Terms Of Bond

POSTED: 10:48 am EDT August 7, 2008
UPDATED: 11:42 am EDT August 7, 2008


DETROIT -- A judge ordered Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick to Wayne County Jail for failing to notify the court of his trip to Canada and violating the terms of his bond.

Circuit Court Judge Ronald Giles said he needed to treat Kilpatrick as any criminal defendant and immediately sent him to jail, WDIV-TV in Detroit reported.

The judge found that the mayor violated the terms of his bond by not informing the court before taking a trip to Canada.

Giles revoked Kilpatrick's bond and suspended all travel.

Kilpatrick's attorneys said they will immediately appeal the ruling.

Earlier Thursday, Kilpatrick waived his right to a preliminary hearing and will head to trial on perjury and other criminal charges.

He has denied the charges.

The ruling came after Kilpatrick addressed the court and apologized for violating his bond conditions when he went across the border last month to push the sale of the city's half of the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel.

"Your Honor, I am asking for your forgiveness. It will never happen again," he said.

He told Giles that he violated his bond to save the city and close a $300 million deficit facing the city.

Kilpatrick continued to praise Giles and the court.

"I respect the heck out of you for taking this case under all this scrutiny," Kilpatrick said humbly. "I apologize. This was not at all a front to you or the court. I don't believe there is a person who has ever been through this process that respects it more than I do."
0 Replies
 
teenyboone
 
  1  
Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2008 02:10 pm
H2O_MAN wrote:
RexRed wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
RexRed wrote:
The vanilla bean has a dark skin... Smile


Jimmy Carter has a tan... Smile



Carter is a nut not a bean... Smile


Yes, and Obama fell from the same bush... Very Happy


Since when? Carter is a Southern peanut farmer, born and raised under segregation in Georgia. Obama was raised in Hawaii by a white mother, who was an anthropologist. He was raised in several countries, through no fault of his own, graduated from Harvard, while Carter graduated from the Naval Academy! Where's the likeness! Carter is a fair white man, that can't be in the sun, (skin cancer)! Obama has natural melanin, that all persons of African descent posess, which allows US to tan!

You're a blooming idiot, to find comparisons, where there ARE none! Cool
0 Replies
 
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Fri 8 Aug, 2008 02:13 pm
teenyboone wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
RexRed wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
RexRed wrote:
The vanilla bean has a dark skin... Smile


Jimmy Carter has a tan... Smile



Carter is a nut not a bean... Smile


Yes, and Obama fell from the same bush... Very Happy


Since when? Carter is a Southern peanut farmer, born and raised under segregation in Georgia. Obama was raised in Hawaii by a white mother, who was an anthropologist. He was raised in several countries, through no fault of his own, graduated from Harvard, while Carter graduated from the Naval Academy! Where's the likeness! Carter is a fair white man, that can't be in the sun, (skin cancer)! Obama has natural melanin, that all persons of African descent posess, which allows US to tan!

You're a blooming idiot, to find comparisons, where there ARE none! Cool


teenyboone, Couldn't have expressed any better or clearer; spot on!
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

Obama '08? - Discussion by sozobe
Let's get rid of the Electoral College - Discussion by Robert Gentel
McCain's VP: - Discussion by Cycloptichorn
Food Stamp Turkeys - Discussion by H2O MAN
The 2008 Democrat Convention - Discussion by Lash
McCain is blowing his election chances. - Discussion by McGentrix
Snowdon is a dummy - Discussion by cicerone imposter
TEA PARTY TO AMERICA: NOW WHAT?! - Discussion by farmerman
 
Copyright © 2024 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.03 seconds on 07/02/2024 at 06:04:05