Fear of a Black President

Ha! I didn't even catch that. Nice.

Also, I forgot to mention that it's not just about the punches we throw here, it matters in all future conflicts we will have with other nations. Since we use torture now, it means others can use it in the future against us.

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Something that the Bush criminal group never considered; all is fair game now that the US has lowered itself to the barbaric.

The Bible has always allowed for self defense. It's not a sin.

Terrorists were ALREADY using suicide bombers to destroy office buildings and kill innocent civilians.

Do you think that they are just now[/u][/i] 'taking off the gloves' ?

You've got not a clue, have you?

It honestly puts our troops in more danger on the battleground. John McCain was tortured, but it's meaningless if that simply becomes the standard of war.

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No, no, no, faker. Address that silly little statement you just made a couple posts back about our countries actions being 'self-defense'. so, if I fry your child, your frying mine in response is somehow a better, more moral action?

Address the implications of bringing 'self-defense' into a discussion about torture. Try.

You are ignoring the big picture RL. What happens after the war? What happens in the next war? We have validated the use of torture. How we do what we do, is important. The Bush administration has made choices that we are going to have to deal with for a very long time.

A war with Iraq was not in self defense might I remind you. As far as self defese goes, Al Queda uses our war to recruit those who are vulnerable because of our attacks. How many new "terrorists" were made as a REACTION to our choices RL?

It probably doesn't matter to you.

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real has been so taken over by politics in his brain cells that he has forgotten about ethics and humanity.

He thinks torture of prisoners are justified for our security, but in actuality, it does the exact opposite. It creates more enemies for our country, because we have become the aggressor and torture or kill in the name of "our" security. When we kill innocent people, family members and friends of the family who were victims of US torture or killed will become potential terrorists. When a parent losses a innocent child through our security measures (and it matters not whether we purposely target them or not), they will want to exact revenge; the numbers increase exponentially. The more we kill, the more enemies our country creates.

Al-Qaeda, insurgents, terrorists, malignancies--whatever you want to call them--must be exterminated. After that is accomplished, what will follow is the same as what followed in the defeated countries after WWII after their malignancies were exterminated. Peaceful, civilized, and stable cultures were evolved.

Ci, that post of yours is pure malarky!

The more malignancies (e.g., al-Qaeda, terrorists, insurgents, mass murderers, mass maimers) we exterminate, the fewer enemies our country creates, and the more grateful people worldwide we will have saved and pleased.

The war with Iraq was actually started to defend Kuwait from the Iraqi forces that had invaded it. Iraq conquered it's weak neighbor and the international community saw the danger in allowing Iraq ( a known regional belligerent fresh from an 8 year war with neighbor Iran) to control Kuwait's oil .

Iraq was pushed back to Baghdad and a cease fire was instituted, contingent on Saddam fulfilling obligations to prove his programs for production of WMDs were fully dismantled , and many other requirements.

This he did not do, but instead intentionally set out to make it appear that he was restarting WMD programs , in order to keep Iran at bay. Saddam's systematic deception was convincing to intelligence services of many nations who all reached the same basic conclusions.

Bill Clinton, as president, concurred that Saddam's WMD programs were again the goal and that regime change was necessary.

Saddam lied, people died.

The action to remove Saddam was a continuation of the Gulf War begun in Kuwait.

Many other factors, such as Saddam's harboring and financing of terrorists, are well known.

It is the insistence by liberals that the US must somehow 'fight nicely' that has made this present phase of the war so long and drawn out.

Liberals insist on microscopically and publicly dissecting every military strategy the US embarked on. As if insurgents aren't able to see it on CNN.

If I were president, my response when liberals call for hearings to discuss war strategy would be far harsher than Bush's. It is treasonous for liberals to telegraph our every move to enemy combatants.

But then, liberals are heavily invested in our defeat. If the US wins in Iraq, then liberals are seen for what they are.....partisan, unpatriotic and pathetic.

Please.

Don't even attempt to equate frightening someone thru waterboarding (or badgering them with rock music, or humiliating them in front of women , or making them cold and uncomfortable) with the beheadings that Muslim psychos enjoy.

The methods that we're being condemned for as 'torture' don't even compare to the Islamic nutcases like Saddam running his enemies thru the plastic shredder.

Give me a break. No, give me two.

Now if you want to talk about civilian casualties in war, we can compare the Allies in WWII and the bombing of German cities in an effort to end the Nazi slaughter machine with the way US forces have operated in Iraq.

You're gonna come up short there too, slick.

Like I said, it's only a matter of time before a conservative invokes an argument with Nazis in it...

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It's only a matter of time before a liberal, coveter placater demonstrates an inability to provide a rational rebuttal by stating a blatant irrelevancy.

Exactly.

Comparing the behavior and operations of US forces during WWII and in the Gulf is valid.

Especially when they are accused of unnecessary civilian casualties.

Deist needs to save his complaint for when someone tries to imply that his position and Nazism are somehow similar.

Something I neither stated nor implied.

Wrong! There is a huge difference between WWII and the war in Iraq in many ways. The major reason is we didn't start WWII. Another huge difference is that civilian casualties between the two wars are poles apart. I won't even try to explain the difference. Even though more countries now have nuclear weapons, none have used them - so far.

You not only lack historical perspective, but have skewed the facts between the two wars to reveal your ignorance.

Those civilians who were accomplices of our enemies in Germany and Japan were also our enemies in Germany and Japan.

Those civilians who were/are accomplices of our enemies in Iraq are also our enemies in Iraq.

You two are trying to bend the truth until it breaks.

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They're already broken in mind and soul; there's nothing more they can lose.

Thomas Sowell
Rose and Milton Friedman Senior Fellow
The Hoover Institution
Stanford University
Stanford , California 94305
~~~~~~~~~ Professor Sowell's Article ~~~~~~~~~~

Senator John McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama can cause me to vote for McCain.

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After long and serious thought, I have decided to endorse Senator John McCain for President.
I have always voted for the person and have not voted for anyone because some political party was telling me who I should vote for.

We all know the choices by now and, that said, I do believe that the process of selecting a chief executive is deeply flawed. The words 'money' and 'special interests' come to mind, among many others.

Here's the way I see it:

Barack Obama, you are a fine public speaker. You are also an extremely liberal Senator from the State of Illinois , which has a long and rich history of political corruption of the first magnitude. You are indeed a child of that system.

You have finally insulted my intelligence far beyond my capacity to tolerate your insults. It has nothing at all to do with your skin color. As a matter of fact, it would be so COOL to finally have an African-American for President. What a great statement that would be to the entire world that we are indeed the greatest country on earth!

But, unfortunately, General Colin Powell is not running, and YOU are NOT the man for this job!

Barack baby, you want me to believe that you have never heard the sermons of your own pastor, the Right Reverend 'God Damn America' Jeremiah Wright. It is a matter of record that this has been your church for over 20 years. It is a matter of record that you were married there by this very pastor, and that your children were baptized there.

The good Reverend saw fit to visit Khadafy in Libya with you and to give a lifetime achievement award to Louis Farrakhan, of all people.

We have all now seen excerpts of his sermons all over the airwaves by now. And you have publicly stated that this man IS your 'spiritual mentor. BUT, your pastor is NOT the reason I am NOT voting for you. His words were disturbing enough, but it is your own HUGE church congregation, seen jumping, hooting and howling to his words in the background that disturb me the most. And please don't tell me you attended church there and never once heard a 'discouraging word' in the 20 years you attended there. Don't tell me, that in addition to the good reverend, that you are now not having anything to do with all those other people seen hooting and howling out in the audience in the background of his fiery tirades. Even Oprah Winfrey got disgusted and walked out on your campaign. I am no Oprah fan, but still she did the right thing.

Now YOU look me in the eye and ask me to believe that you never heard such language in all the years you attended there! This is like me telling you that I attended dozens of Klan rallies and never once heard the 'N' word. Yep. And Bill Clinton 'did not inhale'.

Yes, Mr. Obama, we all have friends who have said stupid things that embarrassed us, but NOW you have asked me to believe something that is so incredibly stupid that you are telling me that I am just stupid enough to believe you. THAT is the main reason that I will never vote for you.

I am deeply sorry, that in a country teeming with enormously talented African Americans who would make a good President, that the political system has chosen YOU. You are a pathetic and plastic excuse for an American, who will not even salute the Flag during the Pledge of Allegiance. God forbid you ever get near the Oval Office.

Now, did I mention Bill Clinton?

AH YES! This brings us to MRS. WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON, who this candidate really is, in spite of all the other names she may care to call herself. This 'feminist' piece of work of course would like to be referred to as MS. And we all know who wears the pantsuit in that family.

MS. Clinton, it is just as depressing to realize that there are dozens of women who would also make great Presidents. But, unfortunately, the horrible state of the selection process has selected YOU. Ms. Clinton, I'm sorry, but you could not tell the truth if we water boarded your worthless 'rear end'!

Still you play the role of the 'embarrassed but dignified noble wife'. What utter malarkey! I am not voting for you for a world of reasons, but the main one is the same as my not voting for Senator Obama.

You persistently insult my intelligence. It COULD be conceivably possible that you did not know about Monica Lewinsky, extremely remote, but possible if we stretch our imaginations a bit. But you turn around and then ask me to believe that you also did not know about Paula Jones and the legion of other women who were chewed up and spit out by your lecherous excuse for a husband. Puleese turn off this broken record!!!

But let's set aside your hubby's flagrant peccadilloes. The real reason I will never vote for you is that I don't think the country can survive EIGHT MORE YEARS of Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate, Sandy Berger stuffing his socks with classified intelligence, Janet Reno's goon squad, and the myriad other corruptions that seem to stick to you like your ugly face. So our former President can't keep his thingy in his pants. The REAL issue is that he committed perjury under oath when he lied about it and the pathetically attempted cover-up that followed.

Like you, he is totally incapable of telling the truth. He could not do it if you tortured him, and in voting for you, we would get the BOTH of you, all over again. The same folks who could have taken out Osama Bin Laden over 4,000 dead Americans ago!

And please stop telling me that you have '8 years of experience' to lead us. You were the freakin' first lady already, not the Commander-in-Chief. Jeez! The sum of your 'experience' is that of the most worrisome and incompetent meddling in the history of the White House. You even cursed your pitiful staff and the Secret Service agents who were and still are unfortunately charged with risking their lives to protect your worthless, thieving hide, and all at the expense of other people who have to work for a living.

Your single pathetic platform is to finance the illegal drugs, alcoholism and bad habits of the very lowest and most irresponsible freeloaders in America and to then 'garnish the wages' (your own words) of every law-abiding and hard-working American to pay for it. This disaster you refer to as 'Universal Health Care.' Where have you been the last 30 years? Did you not see that socialism is a failure wherever it has been tried? Did you not notice that the Soviet Union has collapsed since it gave no reward to those who worked the hardest for the fruits of their own labors to pay for those who will not?

It is interesting to see all the dead bodies that you and your hubby have left in your wake. Suicides, mysterious deaths, cover-ups that make Richard Nixon look like a rank amateur. The utter contempt and unbelievable arrogance of some of your strongest supporters, most notably the recently resigned and disgraced Governor Eliot Spitzer, the epitome of hypocritical and malevolent arrogance gone wild, one of your most ardent, wealthy and powerful political supporters. A man the news media refuses to admit IS a 'super delegate' in your own political machine, a fine example of your own 'adopted' state of New York . No wonder you moved there to run for Senator! The environment there is perfect for the likes of you!

Yes, I would vote for a woman, but I will NOT vote for YOU!

Which leaves us with Senator John McCain.

John, you are a flawed man. You are a bit old, a bit loony, and you have a notoriously bad temper. This perfectly qualifies you, in my humble opinion, to lead us for the next eight years. I WANT your trembling hand on the nuclear button.

Think about it.

We have Kim Jong IL, Chavez and Ahmadenijad all running around like lunatics, threatening America and threatening to plunge the world into nuclear Armageddon. We have Putin and the Chinese blustering and rattling their sabers at us. I want John McCain in the Oval Office and I want him to be really ticked off at all these other nut jobs around the planet.

John, once you are elected, I want you to go into the Oval Office and throw one of your perfect FITS. Jump up and down and throw something through a plate glass window. Rip the drapes down and foam at the mouth a bit. And I want the whole thing on camera so that Ahmadinejad can see it. I want ALL of these 'world leaders' to lay awake at night and to break out in a cold sweat every time they think of messing with the United States of America .

I want the nuclear button sitting right next to the alarm clock on your nightstand. I want pictures of this to be sent to Iran , Russia , China , Venezuela , Cuba , Libya , Syria , Pakistan , and those other dopes in the sheets, the Saudis.

On the domestic front, poor John did try and reach across the aisle to the opposition in a desperate effort to compromise and to get the Congress to do something. You may not agree with his efforts, but at least he TRIED. For all his efforts, all he got handed to him was his head in a basket. The liberals are ticked at him and the conservatives are ticked at him. Just my kinda guy.

I predict that John will select Senator Joe Lieberman as his running mate. Good choice. I want a Jew whose memory of the Holocaust is still fresh in his mind and who is royally ticked off at all of these towel-headed morons in the Middle East to be the next in line if something should happen to John. Shalom, Vice President Joe. One heartbeat from the Oval Office.

Finally. John McCain knows on a most personal level what it is to suffer horrible torture for years and to see others die, right in front of you, for their love of America . When you ask him about it, he will tell you that what he did was 'nothing special.' Even more incredibly, he states that ANY American who truly loves his country would do exactly the same as he did in that situation. You and I will have a hard time believing that, but the real point is that John McCain believes that about the 'average American,' and that, dear friends and neighbors, is why I will cast my one poor ballot on election day for John McCain -- warts and all.'