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Fear of a Black President

 
 
cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 10:48 am
A slow learning dunce in management.... who would have guessed?
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 10:51 am
There are so many "problem" kids who are pushed through the school system, accompanied by a smelly baggage of teacher-to-teacher gossip about them, along with assorted racism thrown in for good measure--never allowing certain kids to start over -and giving them no reason to believe it is even possible to change their habits because of their reputations.

There are so many students who don't see themselves in textbook histories of their own country--who hear from family that they have no chance for a good life. They hear that there is one way to get through life--and this is all they need to know. This way usually lands them in jail or prison.

These kids have the world stacked against them. I think a career in teaching is the strongest weapon against this status quo. I can't understand how anyone could look in these faces, angry and defiant as they may be, and decide to be one more asshole to dump on them. In effect, what I am seeing here translates to: They are going to be treated crappy, so I'll treat them crappy to prepare them.

Please reconsider.
Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 11:03 am
Consider this... I have an emh son with non tractable seizure disorder... would you like to argue your textbook knowledge with my on the ground experience?

The system tried to push my boy around... and he was subject to indifference and cruelty from... both students and teachers and other parents... I have dug in and fought too many battles to mention... and won most of them though tenacity and downright pugnaciousness but I never ever supported him when he was in the wrong. I demanded he do his best and made it clear to him that no matter how shitty life treated him he needed to be responsible
and do his best or I would not help him. When people tried to act in ways contrary to his best interest I was right there with the gloves off.... but when he tried to game the system or act out I let him face the consequences. Result? He graduated... and he did the best he could most of the time. I believed he needed to be held to the same high standards as any "regular" or "advantaged" child because that's life.

He's a good kid at 25 and does the best he can with he cards he was dealt.

The fact that too many kids have too much **** stacked against them should make them targets for all the help and support possible.... but not a license to act out or refuse to do their best. Not enabling bad or lazy behavior by not putting up with it doesn't make anyone an ass hole, but lowering the bar and moving the goalposts constantly does them no favors at all.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 11:21 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
We should go back to neighborhood schools... this busing everyone everywhere to achieve racial balance for what reason I have no idea... hasn't done ****. The money saved on buses, drivers, maintenance, etc... could insure that all schools received the identical amount of necessary tools for the job.

Then give teachers enough money to make teaching worthwhile. Then stop coddling kids and tell 'em "If you want to do the work we'll help... if you don't get out... you're disturbing the kids who want to learn. McDonalds is hiring.

When I was a boy you were either college material or not. College was not an automatic. You had to not only be smart enough, but you had to work for it. If not you could take shop or vocational training. If you chose t5o be a troublemaker or a serial school cutter...... you could take your sorry ass home and good luck.

Quit lowering the bar and f*ck Junior's precious self esteem. Learning to lose is an important life lesson as well. You do the work, you get the grade. You do a little extra, you get even better grades. You don't, or you're not capable.... you don't. Just like life.

I guess it was the "if you don't, get out" that stuck with me. I think it is worth a lot of effort to try to keep these kids in school and engage them. A high school education is such a huge marker of success or failure in life--At 16, you just don't know enough to make that choice. I feel that we are ethically contracted to give it everything we have until after high school.

Per your post: We raised our sons almost identically. I have on the ground experience as well.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 11:30 am
good for you. truly.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 11:37 am
Lecture by Bleeding Heart Lash has concluded. You can all resume your activites.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 11:39 am
huh? waht? how long was i asleep?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 01:34 pm
Helicopter parents is the new term describing those that want their children to be stand outs no matter what actions their children take. I believe it is appropriate in some places.

Other parents just don't give 2 shits about their offspring and provide the bare neccessities.

I do not like that my children have to be taught at the lowest common denominator of the children in their classes. My son excels at school while my daughter just drifts along. I'd actually prefer some segregation at schools, though not for race, but by learning levels. That way the children that need extra attention can get it while those that do not are not being held back.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 01:39 pm
They do track students by ability---something that is giving way (again) to grouping...and more individualized methods of teaching...sort of tapering lessons to different learning strengths.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 02:17 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
lowering the bar and moving the goalposts constantly does them no favors at all.


too true

~~~

Are You Turning Your Child Into a Wimp?

from the end of the article/interview

Quote:
What is your main advice for parents?

One, back off and give kids some credit and some leeway to demonstrate their competence.

Two, let kids play freely without monitoring.

Three, eat dinner together at least five nights a week: aside from the sense of cohesiveness, it gives all that security that is the breeding ground for success. No matter where you are on the socioeconomic spectrum, it is more correlated with school adjustment and achievement than any other single thing that parents can do.




I want to track down the book, looks interesting.

Quote:
Are American parents smothering their children? Hara Estroff Marano, an editor-at-large at Psychology Today magazine and the grandmother of three small children, is convinced that they are. In her provocative new book, A Nation of Wimps: The High Cost of Invasive Parenting (Broadway), she writes, "Behold the wholly sanitized childhood, without skinned knees or the occasional C in history! Kids need to learn that you need to feel bad sometimes. We learn through experience, and we learn especially through bad experiences. Through disappointment and failure we learn how to cope."
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 04:39 pm
McGentrix wrote:

I do not like that my children have to be taught at the lowest common denominator of the children in their classes. My son excels at school while my daughter just drifts along. I'd actually prefer some segregation at schools, though not for race, but by learning levels. That way the children that need extra attention can get it while those that do not are not being held back.


this bothers me.

I guess I will get an introduction into this when Jillian hits school age..

But I remember being in middle school and grade school and having several different segments to class rooms and grades.
We had the special education rooms for the really slow learners, and those with disabilities.
We have every day class rooms, then we had gifted books for those in THAT room who would learn a little faster then others. They had semi-different lessons in everything actually.
Then we had the class rooms for the really advanced , very fast learners.
All classes were pretty small. I think I remember second grade as one of the grades I spent in regular class room and at best I would say there were 20 kids.

3rd -5th grade I was in the accelerated classrooms and even there.. 20 kids.. sometimes not even that many.

So.. special ed is no longer in schools?
gifted classes are not there anymore?
EVERYONE is in the same room?

Is this all over the country?

That.. boggles my mind.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 05:07 pm
snood wrote:
CJ, if you wouldn't mind C&Ping that to here? For some reason, it seems some people really want an explanation.


Certainly ! This is snoods reply to my initial question

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I honestly don't see any issues as truly specifically only "African American Issues", but only some issues that seem to be the ones that blacks are more concerned with on a regular basis - but I can name a couple of things...

He (Obama) already has addressed a couple of those things in his role as a State legilator in Illinois - for instance, he made the filming of police interrogation rooms mandatory, to cut down on the rampant (and disproportionately against black) police brutality in Chicago.

The tax cut for the middle class and ending the free ride for the rich (things he wants to do) are things I think ALL working people can benefit from, but I think he and Michelle can feel our pain more than say a Bush or a McCain, because they only just got out of debt 3 years ago.

His bold agenda for reforming education - centered on things like actually giving substantial increases in salary to all teachers, but especially the good ones, is something that I see as potentially very beneficial to young black kids whose schools don't pay enough to attract the best and brightest teachers.

Overall, from what I've seen and read of the man over the last 4 years, he has a heart for the common man - the disenfranchised and those who have been left behind - not just black but all kinds. Those kinds of things usually come out in political conversations as "black issues", so I just go along with that.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 05:36 pm
there are special ed classrooms in every school here in barneyland... and outsourcing... you have to watch them like hawks though... they also get more funding the more people they classify...
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 06:06 pm
Setanta wrote:
Diane wrote:
Obama hasn't played the race card . . .


But, increasingly, it seems that that is all Snood does.


Bullshit, Setantashit, ..., it's all one and the same thing.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 06:18 pm
listening to the replay of opie and anthony from this morning, black comedian patrice oneal had the best line about obama panic, he said he hopes that obama lives up to the worst of white peoples fears, he hopes he stands there at the inauguration eating a fried white baby foot sandwich

this is gonna be a great election campaign
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 06:22 pm
JTT wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Diane wrote:
Obama hasn't played the race card . . .


But, increasingly, it seems that that is all Snood does.


Bullshit, Setantashit, ..., it's all one and the same thing.


Hmmm, JTT - that seems a bit harsh...

Set did tell me that I have harped more on race since Obama's been in the picture - and I had to admit he's right.

My alibi is that race kinda takes part of the limelight just by virtue of his candidacy, if we're honest.
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 06:25 pm
Lash wrote:
snood wrote:


It makes me tired - I mean, it seems like the unspoken fear is that "Omigod! If he gets in there, there's no telling WHAT the blacks will do!"


This seems nuts. Can you explain it?--maybe after a rest.
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I don't understand what you are confused about...
Do you think that kind of fear isn't out there, and that there are those who are fanning those fears?

It seems that everyone else on this thread has already stipulated that. Not you?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 06:25 pm
Snood wrote:
Well, Set did tell me that I have harped more on race since Obama's been in the picture - and I had to admit he's right.

My alibi is that race kinda takes part of the limelight just by virtue of his candidacy, if we're honest.


Maybe you deleted this as i was responding--i was told i could not respond to posts in this forum. I hope i cause you no embarrassment, but i copied your post, and am now responding.

I agree that Obama's candidacy raises the issue of race. However, i don't think he has played the race card, and i do believe that you have been more obsessed on the issue than had previously been the case. And that was all i was saying.

All that being said, i would point out that JTT has an unhealthy obsession about what i post, and misses no opportunity to make invidious remarks about me or what i have written.

I ignore him, and i advise you to do the same, at least when his topic is what i have posted.
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 06:28 pm
I agree with what you said; I would just not characterize my talking about race during this election as "obsession".

and I wasn't aware of JTT and you having had those kinds of run ins.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 06:29 pm
snood wrote:
. . . that kind of fear [is] out there, and . . . there are those who are fanning those fears . . .

It seems that everyone else on this thread has already stipulated that. (edited from the original for purposes of elucidation)


I'm sure i've made it clear, but just in case--i so stipulate.
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