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Why Does Barack Obama Want To Ban All Our Guns?

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2008 09:59 am
cjhsa wrote:


That .338 is a necked up .308, not a .338WM.

The .338WM and .30-06 are longer than most assault rifles are designed to chamber, so making one that could chamber them would be harder than simply slapping on an appropriate caliber barrel.

But the Browning BAR can chamber them in a semi-auto design, and hypothetically could be extensively modified into an assault rifle-like design.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2008 10:13 am
Assault rifles fire a mid-size cartridge - re: M4, AK47 etc ...
I don't think the 1918 BAR could ever be trimmed down to an assault rifle configuration ...
http://tri.army.mil/LC/cs/csi/m1918bar.jpg

The M14 is a better option, but you are still dealing with a main battle rifle firing a full size cartridge.
http://www.athenswater.com/images/MK14SEI-mod0-reduced.jpg
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2008 10:25 am
oralloy wrote:

That .338 is a necked up .308, not a .338WM.

The .338WM and .30-06 are longer than most assault rifles are designed to chamber, so making one that could chamber them would be harder than simply slapping on an appropriate caliber barrel.

But the Browning BAR can chamber them in a semi-auto design, and hypothetically could be extensively modified into an assault rifle-like design.


You are correct on the .338, my bad, but the .30-06 is available in some models and was actually submitted in a design by Cobb (www.cobb50.com) to the U.S. Military not long ago.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2008 10:33 am
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u306/jetey10/3242247.jpg

http://www.athenswater.com/images/NOBAMA.jpg
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2008 10:38 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
I don't think the 1918 BAR could ever be trimmed down to an assault rifle configuration ...


That's the wrong BAR.

Browning made two guns with the same name.

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=002B&cat_id=031&type_id=001
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2008 10:42 am
H2O_MAN wrote:
Assault rifles fire a mid-size cartridge - re: M4, AK47 etc ...
I don't think the 1918 BAR could ever be trimmed down to an assault rifle configuration ...
http://tri.army.mil/LC/cs/csi/m1918bar.jpg


And to think, Obama doesn't oppose the magazine size of any of those guns.

What's a gun nut to do? Other than pretend otherwise?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2008 10:44 am
Uh, those guns are 100 years old.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2008 10:46 am
cjhsa wrote:
Uh, those guns are 100 years old.


Yeah, and I would love to own one Twisted Evil
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2008 10:48 am
oralloy wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
I don't think the 1918 BAR could ever be trimmed down to an assault rifle configuration ...


That's the wrong BAR.

Browning made two guns with the same name.

http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=002B&cat_id=031&type_id=001


I knew of the rifle linked, but thought you were talking about a military style rifle.

Thanks for the link.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jun, 2008 10:51 am
parados wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
Assault rifles fire a mid-size cartridge - re: M4, AK47 etc ...
I don't think the 1918 BAR could ever be trimmed down to an assault rifle configuration ...
http://tri.army.mil/LC/cs/csi/m1918bar.jpg


And to think, Obama doesn't oppose the magazine size of any of those guns.


Wrong again. He wants to limit them to half their standard size.



parados wrote:
What's a gun nut to do? Other than pretend otherwise?


Bigot. Rolling Eyes
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2008 08:17 am
FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1
FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.2
FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3
FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2
FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4
FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5
FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6
FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.
FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7
FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and "research."8
FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9
FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10
FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11
FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2
FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14
FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9

1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 2, 2005. http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219
2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in "Obama had greater role on liberal survey," Politico, March 31, 20087. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html
3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 2, 2005. http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217
4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html
5. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2004 SB 2165, vote 20.
6. "Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record." Obama '08, December 11, 2007. http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_obamas_c.php
7. "Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote," Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html
8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p7
9. "Obama and Gun Control," The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml
10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.
11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.
12. "Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control," Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html
13. Chicago Tribune blogs, "Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action," February 15, 2008,http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on_shoot.html
14. Barack Obama campaign website: "As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . ." http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcement.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2008 08:41 am
Fact: B. Hussien Obama is a muslim and a sympathizer.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jun, 2008 05:41 am
This page (requires Java) will relay a live (text) report from the Supreme Court as it hands down today's (Thursday June 19) rulings -- including timely links to the rulings themselves.

http://www.coveritlive.com/index.php?option=com_altcaster&task=siteviewaltcast&altcast_code=82608e8aa0

The website's reporting goes live at 9:45 AM eastern time.

The Supreme Court begins giving the morning's rulings at 10:00 AM eastern time.

The Java applet updates the reporting automatically -- no need to refresh browsers.


No guarantees that Heller will come today, but if it does, this will be the first place to relay the news, and the first to link the ruling.

(Chances are good that it will be either Heller or the ruling on whether pedophiles can receive the death penalty -- but no idea which.)

Cool
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jun, 2008 05:55 am
If I may back up a bit, Hornady has just introduced new, shorter versions of the 300 and 338WM that will operate in EBR's. The line is called RCM, short for Ruger Compact Magnum.

http://www.hornady.com/story.php?s=761
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 09:10 am
The Supreme Court has announced that the Heller decision will be delivered Thursday June 26 at 10:00 AM (eastern time)
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 12:55 pm
So, soon after we get settled in at work tomorrow, we'll know if we still have a complete and untarnished Bill or Rights, or whether a body of people living today (the court) has neutralized a right given to us by the Founders. If the Constitution isn't worth defending, I don't know what is.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2008 01:14 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
So, soon after we get settled in at work tomorrow, we'll know if we still have a complete and untarnished Bill or Rights, or whether a body of people living today (the court) has neutralized a right given to us by the Founders. If the Constitution isn't worth defending, I don't know what is.


Strong signals out of the Supreme Court that Scalia is writing the majority opinion in Heller.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2008 05:14 am
This page (requires Java) will relay a live (text) report from the Supreme Court as it hands down the Heller ruling -- including a timely link to the ruling itself.

http://www.coveritlive.com/index.php?option=com_altcaster&task=siteviewaltcast&altcast_code=39aaa9e4d2

The website's reporting goes live just before 10 AM eastern time.

The Supreme Court begins giving the morning's rulings at 10:00 AM eastern time.

The Java applet updates the reporting automatically -- no need to refresh browsers.

Cool
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2008 08:15 am
WOOOOO!!!!!
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2008 08:18 am
The Court has released the opinion in District of Columbia v. Heller (07-290), on whether the District's firearms regulations - which bar the possession of handguns and require shotguns and rifles to be kept disassembled or under trigger lock - violate the Second Amendment. The ruling below, which struck down the provisions in question, is affirmed.

It is also quite apparent that Ginsberg, Souter, and Stevens - have got to go.
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