Clinton: Open to being Obama's vice president

Yes, Butrflynet, you are right! This is not about Hillary anymore - this
is Obama making history and we're here to celebrate with him and always
will remember this election. Very remarkable!!

and if obama gives hill the nod is this how you will speak of her bill? cause that's not good for the party

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

and if obama gives hill the nod is this how you will speak of her bill? cause that's not good for the party

I'm neither a lefty nor a Democrat, so what do I care what's good for the Party? I'll call Hill a scumbag, too, if it will make you happy.

Maybe a president needs a good hatchet man. Anyway, Hillary is a strong campaigner.[/quot

it works for bush

Nah, she is just letting her supporters bask in the victory in South Dakota while biding her time awaiting all the conciliatory political offers to come in. She wants to have them all on the table when she makes her next decision about the vast array of choices that lay before her. The only direction closed off to her at the moment is the presumptive nominee title. Everything else is still open to being offered to her and she's letting people know she's listening and has a lot to bring to the table.

Nothing wrong with that.

OCCOM BILL wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

and if obama gives hill the nod is this how you will speak of her bill? cause that's not good for the party

I'm neither a lefty nor a Democrat, so what do I care what's good for the Party? I'll call Hill a scumbag, too, if it will make you happy.

I'm asking you what you will do not what will make me happy... ducking out as usual.

Butrflynet wrote:

Nah, she is just letting her supporters bask in the victory in South Dakota while biding her time awaiting all the conciliatory political offers to come in. She wants to have them all on the table when she makes her next decision about the vast array of choices that lay before her. The only direction closed off to her at the moment is the presumptive nominee title. Everything else is still open to being offered to her and she's letting people know she's listening and has a lot to bring to the table.

Nothing wrong with that.

Wow, you are in denial. Hillary is over, the Clinton era is over. She can go slum it in the Senate for a few years, but she is a short timer now. She will never get elected to anything again.

hawkeye10 wrote:

Butrflynet wrote:

Nah, she is just letting her supporters bask in the victory in South Dakota while biding her time awaiting all the conciliatory political offers to come in. She wants to have them all on the table when she makes her next decision about the vast array of choices that lay before her. The only direction closed off to her at the moment is the presumptive nominee title. Everything else is still open to being offered to her and she's letting people know she's listening and has a lot to bring to the table.

Nothing wrong with that.

Wow, you are in denial. Hillary is over, the Clinton era is over. She can go slum it in the Senate for a few years, but she is a short timer now. She will never get elected to anything again.

Denial of what? You don't need to be elected to be appointed a cabinet position.

She's also a very good candidate for the Senate Majority Leader position.

She's a policy wonk, that's where her skills still shine very brightly. She seems to want her place in history as the first female VP. I think she'd be stifled by the VP position and hope she has the good sense to turn it down if offered.

Haha, this reporter on CNN was just saying that the Clintons are the Ike and Tina Turner of Politics. They don't do anything nice and easy, they do it nice and rough. That was quite a good comparison.

Right...let's all ignore that Hillary could not do the right thing, could not concede the race once it was clear to every single person that she had lost it. No, instead lets call her behaviour what it is, an affirmation that the right person won, and the right person lost. Let's celebrate that.

She doesn't accept

In the first episode of the BBC comedy Coupling, Steve decides he's going to break up with his partner Jane. He steels up his courage, strides over to her, and makes his pitch. "I'm going to put this very simply. It's over between us," he says. She looks at him quizzically. "You want us to split up?" she asks. "Yes," replies Steve. "Yes I do." She looks at him sweetly. "I don't accept."

Tonight, the Democratic Party essentially told Clinton that it was over. Obama crossed the magic delegate threshold and captured, for all intents and purposes, the nomination. Clinton had run a remarkable race, and come inches from securing the nomination, but she had lost. And tonight, Clinton took the stage in New York, and said, in effect, "I don't accept."

Clinton's speech was a curious spectacle. It's not merely that she didn't concede, but that she didn't even mention that anything had changed. She congratulated Obama on his campaign, but not on his win, or even his likely win. Instead, she continued to talk about her electability, her desire to "count every vote" (every vote, save for a few stragglers in South Dakota, has now been cast and counted), her ability to see Americans whose poverty renders them "invisible" to the other candidates, her faith in the continued efforts of her supporters. It wasn't merely that she didn't concede, but that she didn't stop running, didn't stop attacking.

She admitted that the next few days would require thought as to the path forward, but used that as an opening to plug her web site, where supporters could weigh in on the path she should choose. And on her web site, the button to submit your message of support sits next to an even larger button asking you to contribute. "Throughout this campaign, Hillary has always promised to stand up for you. Show Hillary you're standing with her by making a contribution to our campaign today." If you decide not to contribute, and try to simply leave a message, you're taken to another page where, again, you're asked to contribute. In truth, it is the contribution that Clinton is asking for, not the support. And those donations will not go towards her campaign for the nomination, which cannot be revived by more money. Rather, those donations will go towards retiring her millions in campaign debt. And, in a way, it explain why Hillary refuses to drop out.

So long as she remains in the race, she has leverage. She has purpose. She has supporters who will donate to her efforts. She has reporters who will cover her statements. She has the assurance that the Obama campaign will grow increasingly desperate to facilitate her concession. She has the chance, no matter how slim, that lightning will strike, or scandal will hit, or tragedy will fall, and Obama's campaign will unexpectedly fold in upon itself and she will step forward as the nominee.

It is not so much that she doesn't realize it's over as that she sees no upside in admitting the end. She understands, she just doesn't accept.