Obama's electability

but you see.... and speaking only for myself... I'm not attached to her campaign beyond what's reasonable... I stated as early as several weeks ago.... more than once.... that I expected Obama to get the nomination... that doesn't mean i don't think Hillary is the better choice...and I'm allowed to.... last week, next week, on the day that either obama or mccain are inaugurated.... 7 years after bush was inaugurated I cling to the belief that Gore would have done a better job..... and yet all of the country knows bush was elected.... so I'm self righteous because of it?

Advocate wrote:

I doubt that many conservatives would happily call themselves right- wingers. Right?

I'm a right-winger.

Ticomaya wrote:

Advocate wrote:

I doubt that many conservatives would happily call themselves right- wingers. Right?

I'm a right-winger.

Happily, so am I.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:

Advocate wrote:

I doubt that many conservatives would happily call themselves right- wingers. Right?

I'm a right-winger.

Happily, so am I.

Yeah, pretty much a right-winger as well. Though I did play left wing in AYSO for a year.

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

but you see.... and speaking only for myself... I'm not attached to her campaign beyond what's reasonable... I stated as early as several weeks ago.... more than once.... that I expected Obama to get the nomination... that doesn't mean i don't think Hillary is the better choice...and I'm allowed to.... last week, next week, on the day that either obama or mccain are inaugurated.... 7 years after bush was inaugurated I cling to the belief that Gore would have done a better job..... and yet all of the country knows bush was elected.... so I'm self righteous because of it?

I will readily admit that you are not the worst offender in this case, by a long shot.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

but you see.... and speaking only for myself... I'm not attached to her campaign beyond what's reasonable... I stated as early as several weeks ago.... more than once.... that I expected Obama to get the nomination... that doesn't mean i don't think Hillary is the better choice...and I'm allowed to.... last week, next week, on the day that either obama or mccain are inaugurated.... 7 years after bush was inaugurated I cling to the belief that Gore would have done a better job..... and yet all of the country knows bush was elected.... so I'm self righteous because of it?

I will readily admit that you are not the worst offender in this case, by a long shot.

Cycloptichorn

Magnanimous of you.That must make bipo feel better. Now he gets to linger on the periphery of your campfires, not feeling the warmth but...almost.

It is more standard disingenuousness on okie's part to pretend he doesn't know about the way rightwingnuts have turned liberal into a 4 letter word over the modern political era.

It carries the baggage of a million perjorative launches now.

In the same way that 'gay' (not that there's anything wrong with it )used to mean happy, liberal had a literal meaning that has nothing to do with the way people on the right fling it now.

When it seems people are distancing themselves from the label, its that perjorative sneer they're distancing from.


And the thing about it is, okie and Tico know that, but play their f*cked up game anyway.

It is more standard disingenuousness on okie's part to pretend he doesn't know about the way rightwingnuts have turned liberal into a 4 letter word over the modern political era.

It carries the baggage of a million perjorative launches now.

In the same way that 'gay' (not that there's anything wrong with it )used to mean happy, liberal had a literal meaning that has nothing to do with the way people on the right fling it now.

When it seems people are distancing themselves from the label, its that perjorative sneer they're distancing from.


And the thing about it is, okie and Tico know that, but play their f*cked up game anyway.

Obama has a bare majority over Clinton minus Michigan and Florida. Democrats make up 1/3 or more of the electorate. 2/3s are Republicans and Independents. Obama has 1/6 of the electorates voting for him. 5/6th of the electorate haven't voted yet. Don't count your chicken before they are hatched.

Your wrong. The democrats don't look good except in comparison to the republicans who have screwed themselves and the rest of the country during the Bush presidency. The democratic party is still made up of a bunch of crooked politicians who will be big business orientated once they get elected. Its the same old story. Tell them what they want to hear until I am elected than screw em.

I don't consider you guys to be meanie Obama folk at all... and your opinions don't hurt or wound me... you completely misinterpret.... most of the time I am just baiting.... but I always bait those who are self righteous and attach themselves to a person or opinion beyond what's reasonable....

[I would certainly agree with you in regard to "gay," snood. The lifestyle is anything but gay. I think it is mostly miserable, based on my observational opinion. However, your comparison is flawed in that "gay" has nothing to do with homosexuality in terms of its original meaning, while "liberal" has traditionally been applied to politics for a very very long time, just as conservatism has also, although the meanings tend to drift or change in terms of perception through time and geographical location.

I would also point out that conservatives did not invent the term, "liberal" for liberals, in the same fashion as liberals invented "right wingnut" or similar terms for variations of conservatism. I think liberal politics earned the reputation, as opposed to the term "liberal" being applied to a reputation. There is a difference.

okie wrote:

[I would certainly agree with you in regard to "gay," snood. The lifestyle is anything but gay. I think it is mostly miserable, based on my observational opinion. However, your comparison is flawed in that "gay" has nothing to do with homosexuality in terms of its original meaning, while "liberal" has traditionally been applied to politics for a very very long time, just as conservatism has also, although the meanings tend to drift or change in terms of perception through time and geographical location.

I would also point out that conservatives did not invent the term, "liberal" for liberals, in the same fashion as liberals invented "right wingnut" or similar terms for variations of conservatism. I think liberal politics earned the reputation, as opposed to the term "liberal" being applied to a reputation. There is a difference.

I have never known many gay people in my life, thanks for sharing. I imagine though, that unlike yourself, there are a lot of happy gay people out there. Are you openly gay in real life too?

It would be dishonest of me to remain silent after hearing Barack Obama's speech delivered at the Cuban American National Foundation last Friday. I feel no resentment towards him, for he is not responsible for the crimes perpetrated against Cuba and humanity. Were I to defend him, I would do his adversaries a favour. I have therefore no reservations about criticising him and expressing myself frankly.

What were Obama's statements? "Throughout my entire life, there has been injustice and repression in Cuba. Never, in my lifetime, have the people of Cuba known freedom. Never, in the lives of two generations of Cubans, have the people of Cuba known democracy ... I won't stand for this injustice ... I will maintain the embargo."

This man who is doubtless, from the social and human points of view, the most progressive candidate for the US presidency, portrays the Cuban revolution as anti-democratic and lacking in respect for freedom and human rights. It is the same argument US administrations have used again and again to justify crimes against our country. The blockade is an act of genocide. I don't want to see US children inculcated with those shameful values.

No small and blockaded country like ours would have been able to hold its ground for so long on the basis of ambition, vanity, deceit or the abuse of power, the kind of power its neighbour has. To state otherwise is an insult to the intelligence of our heroic people.

I am not questioning Obama's great intelligence, his debating skills or his work ethic. He is a talented orator and is ahead of his rivals in the electoral race. Nevertheless, I am obliged to raise a number of delicate questions. I do not expect answers; I wish only to raise them for the record.

Is it right for the president of the US to order the assassination of any one person in the world, whatever the pretext? Is it ethical for the president of the US to order the torture of other human beings? Should state terrorism be used by a country as powerful as the US as an instrument to bring peace to the planet?

Is an Adjustment Act, applied as punishment to only one country, Cuba, in order to destabilise it, good and honourable when it costs innocent children and mothers their lives? Are the brain drain and the continuous theft of the best scientific and intellectual minds in poor countries moral and justifiable?

Is it fair to stage pre-emptive attacks? Is it honourable and sane to invest millions and millions of dollars in the military-industrial complex, to produce weapons that can destroy life on earth several times over? Is that the way in which the US expresses its respect for freedom, democracy and human rights?

Before judging our country, Obama should know that Cuba - with its education, health, sports, culture and science programmes, implemented not only in its own territory but also in other poor countries around the world, and in spite of the economic and financial blockade and the aggression of his powerful country - is proof that much can be done with very little. Cuba has never subordinated cooperation with other countries to ideological requirements. We offered the US our help when hurricane Katrina lashed the city of New Orleans. Our revolution can mobilise tens of thousands of doctors and health technicians. It can mobilise an equally vast number of teachers and citizens who are willing to travel to any corner of the world to fulfil any noble purpose, not to usurp rights or take possession of raw materials.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20006.htm

It is more standard disingenuousness on okie's part to pretend he doesn't know about the way rightwingnuts have turned liberal into a 4 letter word over the modern political era.

It carries the baggage of a million perjorative launches now.

In the same way that 'gay' (not that there's anything wrong with it )used to mean happy, liberal had a literal meaning that has nothing to do with the way people on the right fling it now.

When it seems people are distancing themselves from the label, its that perjorative sneer they're distancing from.


And the thing about it is, okie and Tico know that, but play their f*cked up game anyway.