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The Case Against John McCain

 
 
Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 04:16 pm
Mr McCain and his team have run a barrage of negative television ads and made personal attacks that have had political commentators suddenly staring, jaws agape, at the Republican.


The country is in a sour mood again, just as it was 40 years ago. But unlike Mr Nixon, Mr McCain hails from the incumbent party. Though running as a Republican maverick, with the slogan "country first", many voters may still feel that the best way to change course is to change parties.

Voters are still making up their minds about Mr Obama, and in certain areas (such as who would make the best commander-in-chief) they prefer Mr McCain. The idea that the troop surge?-which Mr McCain supported and Mr Obama opposed?-has helped to stabilise Iraq has gained traction with voters. Indeed military deaths in July were at the lowest level since the war began. Mr McCain can usefully draw a contrast here. Focusing relentlessly on Mr Obama's negatives, however, cannot help but damage what was once most endearing about the Republican. Perhaps Mr McCain still has time to change course.

Mr Obama is in a tight spot himself. As a young and relatively unknown politician he risks being defined by others rather than defining himself. But if Mr McCain keeps up his full assault, he risks souring not only the press, but those voters drawn to his old independent streak.

http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displayStory.cfm?story_id=11869783&source=features_box_main
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 04:31 pm
I'm not the only one reacting to McCain's negative ads and accusations about Obama. It's very tiresome to listen to all his complaints about Obama's inexperience and the "surge" working. Yes, the "surge" might be working, but whether it can be credited to the surge is highly questionable. The Iraqis are now reporting insurgents in their neighborhoods to the military, and there is less conflict between the different tribes of Iraq - which may be temporary at best. Iraq has had infighting in Iraq before Saddam and before our troops invaded their country. The 64 thousand dollar question is whether this calm is temporary or permanent. Is anybody ready to answer that question with 100 percent certainty?

McCain seems pretty sure of himself; that alone makes him unqualified to make decisions on a national level. This election should not be based on one man's assumptions about "security." Look what happened when Bush unilaterally made his decisions. Don't forget; his mistake is still costing our country big time in our military and treasure. I don't want more of the same.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 04:38 pm
C I
If Iwere McCain
I would have behaved better with my age.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 04:44 pm
McCain: U.S. Neighborhoods Need Iraq-style "Surge"

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
August 1, 2008

Coming soon to your neighborhood if McCain has his way ?- soldiers under orders to "clamp down" and "make sure that the known criminals are kept under control."

Appearing before the Urban League this week, John McCain revealed his plan for imposing a military dictatorship in "high crime neighborhoods" in the United States. An ABC News "blog" provides all the details necessary to send a chill up our spines:

"Answering a question about his approach to combatting crime, John McCain suggested that military strategies currently employed by US troops in Iraq could be applied to high crime neighborhoods here in the US. McCain called them tactics 'somewhat like we use in the military…You go into neighborhoods, you clamp down, you provide a secure environment for the people that live there, and you make sure that the known criminals are kept under control. And you provide them with a stable environment and then they cooperate with law enforcement.' The way he described it, his approach sounded an awful lot like the surge.

As part of his argument, McCain praised the crime-fighting efforts of former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani; Urban League president Marc Morial countered that while New York did experience a drop in crime under Giuliani, there were several major instances of police misconduct. To which McCain promised aggressive prosecution of civil rights violations and a Justice Department free from political cronyism."

In other words, McCain ?- or rather his globalist foundation handlers ?- would have no problem declaring martial law in "high crime neighborhoods," that is to say neighborhoods out of control due to the presence of aggressively competitive drug gangs selling products brought in by the CIA, otherwise known as the Cocaine Importing Agency, a fact admitted by the former head of the DEA (see this clip from Kevin Booth's American Drug War). If John McCain really wanted to address drug-related crime, he would put the Cocaine Importing Agency out of business and arrest and prosecute the Wall Street bankers that launder over $500 billion in drug profits every year, according to Catherine Austin Fitts. But then the idea is not to end the illegal drug trade, but rather cook up an excuse to impose martial law.
http://www.infowars.com/?p=3694
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 04:47 pm
Blueflame
thanks for your post.
I am of the opinion that this old guy should keep aloof from politics.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 05:11 pm
blueflame, Most of us "Americans" would shiver at the idea of Marshall Law and the use of our military in our country to "clamp down on criminals." That's what our legal system in our country is for; domestic problems must be handled by the legal system already established in our country.

McCain is a frightening fellow; after all, he is senile - with a temper.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 05:13 pm
Our country is leaning more and more into tyranny; the government doesn't have to follow the laws of our country, and establish them as they see fit.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 05:20 pm
C i
thanks for the apt word.
I had used old guy. In Germany we use the word
"altersschwach
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 01:25 pm
badeepbadeepbadeep

John John John John John ..... have you no shame?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 01:33 pm
McCain: "I intend to keep my word to the American people." But Gel's link shows us he doesn't know what he's talking about on many fronts (here's two); "Iran is training al Qaida," and "I need to be educated on economics."

How can he keep his word, if he doesn't know who our enemies are, or he does or doesn't know economics.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 03:50 pm
i AM NOT SURE BUT OPTIMISTIC
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 04:36 pm
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/08/04/the-decline-of-john-mccain.aspx

Quote:

The Decline of John McCain

Richard Stern, novelist and emeritus professor of English at the University of Chicago, weighs in on John McCain's latest campaign tactics:

I'm not going to pussyfoot here: John McCain is, day by day, disgracing himself, soiling his reputation as an independent, honest man of wit and wisdom who, during the Vietnam war, as a prisoner in the Hanoi Hilton, behaved under torture and torment with the kind of courage and tenacity very few could come anywhere near matching. Yes, he gave a statement his captors wanted, but he made it clear to Americans that he didn't stand behind his words. He resisted offers of release knowing that shame would follow him all his life and stain his military family's unblemished escutcheon.

In the Senate, he sank to what he called his lowest point when he was "fooled" into becoming one of the senatorial stooges of a Savings & Loan tycoon/crook, and bore the notorious label as one of the Keating Five. For this singular departure from his political standard, he apologized.

In 2000, running against George Bush, he endured the filthy innuendoes of the Bush campaign. At a debate, seated beside Bush who was assuring him he had nothing to do with the filth, he said "Don't give me that ****. And take your hand off me." A photograph (recently reprinted in TIME) shows him glaring at Bush with pure hatred. His later embraces of the successful opponent were awkward only partially because the arms broken in prison were incapable of more physical conviction.

Now McCain is using ads and giving speeches which are almost as debased as those of that 2000 Bush campaign. Questioned, he defends them. Such usually fine commentators as David Brooks (an ex-student of mine) claim that the senator must campaign in this rut of attack because the campaign McCain's admirers expected and hoped for wasn't drawing sufficient attention. This is as low and foolish as Brooks has gone in his brilliant journalistic career. Why shouldn't McCain break through the Obama magic or "mania' by going on doggedly and decently, ignoring the so-called pragmatists in his campaign and ignoring polls, simply exhibiting the straightforward, witty, and sometimes-heroic self who became an exemplary public servant? I am not the only one who might then alter my Obama allegiance and vote for him. In any case, he would be defeated as an honorable person instead of as a weakened old man who sold out to the lowest common denominator.

--Richard Stern


Couldn't agree more. He has sold out to the Republican, Rove machine, who will keep on pushing each and every smear as far as they can for as long as they can until both candidates look terrible...

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 04:41 pm
McCain has now achieved what he didn't want for most of his life; he defamed his own honor and name to win an election. He still hasn't realized that the price is too high, because the polls are telling him otherwise.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 04:50 pm
Let us not degrade/damage/denigrade the puny candidatetes.
Let us try our level best to make a
REAL CHANGE
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 5 Aug, 2008 11:28 am
Where does McCain really stand on these issues?
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McCain ad pushes independence, distance from Bush
Updated 55m ago


RAPID CITY, S.D. (AP) ?- John McCain emphasized his independent streak and reformer credentials in a new TV commercial Tuesday as he sought to counter Democratic charges that he's the same as President Bush.

"Washington's broken. John McCain knows it. We're worse off than we were four years ago," says the ad. "He's the original maverick."

Although the commercial, set to run in battleground states, does not mention Democratic rival Barack Obama, it suggests the first-term Illinois senator is unprepared to be president by saying McCain is the one "ready to lead.

It also tries to seize Obama's message of change and cast McCain, a four-term Arizona senator, as a change agent at a time the public is craving a direction different from the status quo.


"Only McCain has taken on big tobacco, drug companies, fought corruption in both parties," the ad says. "He'll reform Wall Street, battle big oil, make America prosper again."

It does not mention areas where McCain and Bush agree, like tax cuts, the Iraq war and free-market economics
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 5 Aug, 2008 06:33 pm
Seems that BBB was right all along.

Quote:


A Surprisingly Immature Politician

John McCain has always seemed to revel in the sycophantic adulation he's enjoyed among the media elite, so it's kind of fascinating to see McCain's one-time media fans realize that he's not the man they thought he was.

The first, and probably most notable, was Time's Joe Klein, who conceded last week that he was wrong to believe McCain is an "honorable man." Soon after, writing on the inanity of McCain's attacks against Barack Obama, Klein's headline read, The Scum Also Rises



It looks like Newsweek's Jonathan Alter has joined the club, noting with noticeable regret that he "misread McCain."

In the middle of John McCain's dopey Britney & Paris attack ad, the announcer gravely asks of Barack Obama: "Is He Ready to Lead?" An equally good question is whether McCain is ready to lead. For a man who will turn 72 this month, he's a surprisingly immature politician ?- erratic, impulsive and subject to peer pressure from the last knucklehead who offers him advice. The youthful insouciance that for many years has helped McCain charm reporters like me is now channeled into an ad that one GOP strategist labeled "juvenile," another termed "childish" and McCain's own mother called "stupid." The Obama campaign's new mantra is that McCain is "an honorable man running a dishonorable campaign." Lame is more like it. And out of sync with the real guy. […]

...

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/04/a-surprisingly-immature-politician/#more-31559


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teenyboone
 
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Reply Tue 5 Aug, 2008 06:47 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
McCain has now achieved what he didn't want for most of his life; he defamed his own honor and name to win an election. He still hasn't realized that the price is too high, because the polls are telling him otherwise.

CI:
I can't believe how stiff and cynical he is! I can't believe he's from the 50's and 60's! Well, he's 70 and I'm in my early 60's, but he looks as though he gets off laughing and making small of others, like he's some kinda prize! NOT! He's stiff! :wink:
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 5 Aug, 2008 07:14 pm
JTT, Good find. McCain would be toast if it had been anyone else running for president. The republicans aren't even 100 percent behind him, but that's all they have for 2008, and they try to put a positive spin on a candidate that's not only out-dated, but is senile with a temper. Some are now labeling him as "juvenile,' and that tag fits him like it was custom made just for him.
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teenyboone
 
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Reply Tue 5 Aug, 2008 07:16 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
JTT, Good find. McCain would be toast if it had been anyone else running for president. The republicans aren't even 100 percent behind him, but that's all they have for 2008, and they try to put a positive spin on a candidate that's not only out-dated, but is senile with a temper. Some are now labeling him as "juvenile,' and that tag fits him like it was custom made just for him.

You took the words right out of my mouth! Juvenile fits him to a tee! Cool
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2008 11:47 am
For some really scathing criticism of McCain, see:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/The--Songbird--as-Presiden-by-JOHN-LORENZ-080805-49.html

Among many charges, it says that McCain made many propaganda statements on behalf of the North Vietnamese.
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