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The Case Against John McCain

 
 
Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 04:16 pm
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 04:31 pm
I'm not the only one reacting to McCain's negative ads and accusations about Obama. It's very tiresome to listen to all his complaints about Obama's inexperience and the "surge" working. Yes, the "surge" might be working, but whether it can be credited to the surge is highly questionable. The Iraqis are now reporting insurgents in their neighborhoods to the military, and there is less conflict between the different tribes of Iraq - which may be temporary at best. Iraq has had infighting in Iraq before Saddam and before our troops invaded their country. The 64 thousand dollar question is whether this calm is temporary or permanent. Is anybody ready to answer that question with 100 percent certainty?

McCain seems pretty sure of himself; that alone makes him unqualified to make decisions on a national level. This election should not be based on one man's assumptions about "security." Look what happened when Bush unilaterally made his decisions. Don't forget; his mistake is still costing our country big time in our military and treasure. I don't want more of the same.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 04:38 pm
C I
If Iwere McCain
I would have behaved better with my age.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 04:44 pm
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 04:47 pm
Blueflame
thanks for your post.
I am of the opinion that this old guy should keep aloof from politics.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 05:11 pm
blueflame, Most of us "Americans" would shiver at the idea of Marshall Law and the use of our military in our country to "clamp down on criminals." That's what our legal system in our country is for; domestic problems must be handled by the legal system already established in our country.

McCain is a frightening fellow; after all, he is senile - with a temper.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 05:13 pm
Our country is leaning more and more into tyranny; the government doesn't have to follow the laws of our country, and establish them as they see fit.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 2 Aug, 2008 05:20 pm
C i
thanks for the apt word.
I had used old guy. In Germany we use the word
"altersschwach
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 01:25 pm
badeepbadeepbadeep

John John John John John ..... have you no shame?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 01:33 pm
McCain: "I intend to keep my word to the American people." But Gel's link shows us he doesn't know what he's talking about on many fronts (here's two); "Iran is training al Qaida," and "I need to be educated on economics."

How can he keep his word, if he doesn't know who our enemies are, or he does or doesn't know economics.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 03:50 pm
i AM NOT SURE BUT OPTIMISTIC
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 04:36 pm
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/08/04/the-decline-of-john-mccain.aspx

Quote:

The Decline of John McCain

Richard Stern, novelist and emeritus professor of English at the University of Chicago, weighs in on John McCain's latest campaign tactics:

I'm not going to pussyfoot here: John McCain is, day by day, disgracing himself, soiling his reputation as an independent, honest man of wit and wisdom who, during the Vietnam war, as a prisoner in the Hanoi Hilton, behaved under torture and torment with the kind of courage and tenacity very few could come anywhere near matching. Yes, he gave a statement his captors wanted, but he made it clear to Americans that he didn't stand behind his words. He resisted offers of release knowing that shame would follow him all his life and stain his military family's unblemished escutcheon.

In the Senate, he sank to what he called his lowest point when he was "fooled" into becoming one of the senatorial stooges of a Savings & Loan tycoon/crook, and bore the notorious label as one of the Keating Five. For this singular departure from his political standard, he apologized.

In 2000, running against George Bush, he endured the filthy innuendoes of the Bush campaign. At a debate, seated beside Bush who was assuring him he had nothing to do with the filth, he said "Don't give me that ****. And take your hand off me." A photograph (recently reprinted in TIME) shows him glaring at Bush with pure hatred. His later embraces of the successful opponent were awkward only partially because the arms broken in prison were incapable of more physical conviction.

Now McCain is using ads and giving speeches which are almost as debased as those of that 2000 Bush campaign. Questioned, he defends them. Such usually fine commentators as David Brooks (an ex-student of mine) claim that the senator must campaign in this rut of attack because the campaign McCain's admirers expected and hoped for wasn't drawing sufficient attention. This is as low and foolish as Brooks has gone in his brilliant journalistic career. Why shouldn't McCain break through the Obama magic or "mania' by going on doggedly and decently, ignoring the so-called pragmatists in his campaign and ignoring polls, simply exhibiting the straightforward, witty, and sometimes-heroic self who became an exemplary public servant? I am not the only one who might then alter my Obama allegiance and vote for him. In any case, he would be defeated as an honorable person instead of as a weakened old man who sold out to the lowest common denominator.

--Richard Stern


Couldn't agree more. He has sold out to the Republican, Rove machine, who will keep on pushing each and every smear as far as they can for as long as they can until both candidates look terrible...

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 04:41 pm
McCain has now achieved what he didn't want for most of his life; he defamed his own honor and name to win an election. He still hasn't realized that the price is too high, because the polls are telling him otherwise.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Mon 4 Aug, 2008 04:50 pm
Let us not degrade/damage/denigrade the puny candidatetes.
Let us try our level best to make a
REAL CHANGE
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 5 Aug, 2008 11:28 am
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 5 Aug, 2008 06:33 pm
Seems that BBB was right all along.

Quote:


A Surprisingly Immature Politician

John McCain has always seemed to revel in the sycophantic adulation he's enjoyed among the media elite, so it's kind of fascinating to see McCain's one-time media fans realize that he's not the man they thought he was.

The first, and probably most notable, was Time's Joe Klein, who conceded last week that he was wrong to believe McCain is an "honorable man." Soon after, writing on the inanity of McCain's attacks against Barack Obama, Klein's headline read, The Scum Also Rises
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teenyboone
 
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Reply Tue 5 Aug, 2008 06:47 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
McCain has now achieved what he didn't want for most of his life; he defamed his own honor and name to win an election. He still hasn't realized that the price is too high, because the polls are telling him otherwise.

CI:
I can't believe how stiff and cynical he is! I can't believe he's from the 50's and 60's! Well, he's 70 and I'm in my early 60's, but he looks as though he gets off laughing and making small of others, like he's some kinda prize! NOT! He's stiff! :wink:
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 5 Aug, 2008 07:14 pm
JTT, Good find. McCain would be toast if it had been anyone else running for president. The republicans aren't even 100 percent behind him, but that's all they have for 2008, and they try to put a positive spin on a candidate that's not only out-dated, but is senile with a temper. Some are now labeling him as "juvenile,' and that tag fits him like it was custom made just for him.
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teenyboone
 
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Reply Tue 5 Aug, 2008 07:16 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
JTT, Good find. McCain would be toast if it had been anyone else running for president. The republicans aren't even 100 percent behind him, but that's all they have for 2008, and they try to put a positive spin on a candidate that's not only out-dated, but is senile with a temper. Some are now labeling him as "juvenile,' and that tag fits him like it was custom made just for him.

You took the words right out of my mouth! Juvenile fits him to a tee! Cool
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 6 Aug, 2008 11:47 am
For some really scathing criticism of McCain, see:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/The--Songbird--as-Presiden-by-JOHN-LORENZ-080805-49.html

Among many charges, it says that McCain made many propaganda statements on behalf of the North Vietnamese.
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