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The Case Against John McCain

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 21 Aug, 2008 06:29 pm
@mysteryman,
I do. It's all a load of wishful thinking.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 22 Aug, 2008 10:58 am
Quote:
In response to Barack Obama successful campaign to get supporters to sign up for breaking news via their cell phones, Arizona Senator John McCain has countered with his own hot-n-sexy, all-the-kids-are-doing-it, is-this-like-on-the-internets? text message initiative.

Text POW to 622246 in order to be reminded that Republican Presumptive nominee John McCain was once A PRISONER OF WAR FOR FIVE YEARS.

Text STOP in order to not have this message sent to you every six minutes, but this will not take effect until at least nine weeks AFTER election day.


Text STAFF to 62246 in order to be the first to help Senator McCain answer simple questions like, "Is your shirt green?", "What's your middle name?", and "Who just farted?"


Text MITTENS to 62242 in order to be the first to see Mit Romney walking Senator McCain's dog, shampooing Senator McCain's carpet, and listening to Cindy McCain complain about poor people in the hopes of becoming Senator McCain's Vice Presidential Nominee.


Text PIMP MI HOWZ! to 622246 in order to find out in which of John McCain's four... er six... um seven... well, eight houses the Senator will be sleeping in this evening.

Text GET OFF ONE OF MY MANY LAWNZ to 62246 in order to be the first to know when the Republican nominee has sold one of those houses in order to try and get within three... er four... um, six... well, seven houses of the rest of America.


Text FREE MEDIA PLEASE to 62242 in order to be the millionth to know that John McCain has released a web-based hit-piece on Senator Obama that they have no intention of actually running in any market more expensive than Fond du Lac, Wisconsin.


Text MY FRIENDS MY FRIENDS MY FRIENDS when your enthusiasm for Senator McCain, my friends, reaches "Kissing Your Sister" levels to be reminded, my friends, of the other terrible choices Republicans could have nominated this year, my friends.


Text WHOLESOME BRAN MUFFIN to 62246 in order to be the first to know if the Senile Senator from the Senior State of Arizona has pooped this week.


Laughing

Cycloptichorn
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teenyboone
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 11:33 am
@Ramafuchs,
Great post, Blue! Cool
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teenyboone
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 11:34 am
@mysteryman,
Ha-Ha-Ha-HaH! Just like Bush! Bahhhhhhhhhh! The jokes on YOU! Cool
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High Seas
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 01:19 pm
@georgeob1,
George - have you any way of sending word? Biden is a dimwit - proof: to this day he advocates US military intervention in Darfur, Congo, Rwanda, Abkhazia etc and defends interventions in assorted Eurasiatic hellholes like Kosovo.

Jim Webb would have been so much better for Obama than this pretentious politico; now is too late for him but not yet too late for McCain.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 01:29 pm
@High Seas,
High Seas wrote-

Quote:
Biden is a dimwit - proof: to this day he advocates US military intervention in Darfur, Congo, Rwanda, Abkhazia etc and defends interventions in assorted Eurasiatic hellholes like Kosovo.


That's the American way. The wild west and points on the winding route were hellholes once. Are you an isolationist?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 25 Aug, 2008 10:41 am
John McCain's defense....

POW
POW POW
POW POW POW
POW POW POW POW
POW POW POW POW PO W


<click>

He has reached the point of absurdity. And he's trashing what used to be honorable about his service and time in captivity.

Cycloptichorn
rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 25 Aug, 2008 12:26 pm
A reminder from The Onion Smile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viVAAy_qkx0

sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 28 Aug, 2008 10:03 am
@rosborne979,
Keep seeing references to this Time interview. Kevin Drum's comment: "He's really, really terrified of going off message these days."

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1836909,00.html

Excerpt:

Quote:
For years, John McCain's marathon bull sessions with reporters were more than a means of delivering a message; they were the message. McCain proudly, flagrantly refused direction from handlers, rarely dodged tough questions and considered those who did wimps and frauds. The style told voters that he was unafraid, that he had nothing to hide and that what you see is what you get. "Anything you want to talk about," he promised reporters aboard the Straight Talk Express in Iowa back in March 2007.

[...]

Sticking to the old formula seemed like a good idea. But with the press focused on Obama, McCain got attention only when he slipped up during one of his patented freewheeling encounters with reporters. And so in July, the campaign decided to clamp down on the candidate.

[...]

And so when TIME's James Carney and Michael Scherer were invited to the front of McCain's plane recently for an interview, they were ushered forward, past the curtain that now separates reporters from the candidate, past the sofa that was designed for his gabfests with the press and taken straight to the candidate's seat. McCain at first seemed happy enough to do the interview. But his mood quickly soured. The McCain on display in the 24-minute interview was prickly, at times abrasive, and determined not to stray off message.



I think this part of the actual interview is gonna have repercussions:

Quote:
In 2000, after the primaries, you went back to South Carolina to talk about what you felt was a mistake you had made on the Confederate flag. Is there anything so far about this campaign that you wish you could take back or you might revisit when it's over?
[Does not answer.]

Do I know you? [Says with a laugh.]


(Bolded = questions, non-bolded = answers.)

The press has been cozy-cozy with McCain for a long time. He's shutting them down. I think this attitude is going to help contribute to more critical coverage.
sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 28 Aug, 2008 12:30 pm
@sozobe,
Whoa.... Shocked

A guy who "helped craft McCain's health care policy" is saying that the best way to deal with all those uninsured people is to just declare them insured! What, they can use the ER, can't they???

Quote:
But the numbers are misleading, said John Goodman, president of the National Center for Policy Analysis, a right-leaning Dallas-based think tank. Mr. Goodman, who helped craft Sen. John McCain's health care policy, said anyone with access to an emergency room effectively has insurance, albeit the government acts as the payer of last resort. (Hospital emergency rooms by law cannot turn away a patient in need of immediate care.)

"So I have a solution. And it will cost not one thin dime," Mr. Goodman said. "The next president of the United States should sign an executive order requiring the Census Bureau to cease and desist from describing any American - even illegal aliens - as uninsured. Instead, the bureau should categorize people according to the likely source of payment should they need care.

"So, there you have it. Voila! Problem solved."


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-Uninsured_27bus.ART.State.Edition2.4dce428.html

(He's joking, right? Maybe? No?)
OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 28 Aug, 2008 12:33 pm
@sozobe,
Shocked
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 28 Aug, 2008 12:34 pm
@sozobe,
I hope that Obama can make an ad out of this, quick!!!

Yet another thing that McCain and Bush have in common - a fundamental misunderstanding of how health care works, and a tin ear when it comes to discussing it. Obama is going to beat McCain over the head on this issue.

Cycloptichorn
sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 28 Aug, 2008 12:38 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Yeah, it's a nice opening.

One more quote from this fella:

Quote:
According to Mr. Goodman, only people who are denied care are truly uninsured " everyone who gets care is effectively insured by some mechanism. "So instead of producing worthless statistics that people fling around in vacuous editorials and pointless debates, the Census Bureau should produce meaningful numbers, identifying all of the sources of funds people will draw on if they need medical care," he said.


That damn fact-based community. Nothing but troublemakers.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 28 Aug, 2008 12:51 pm
@sozobe,
Hauhah, good catch.

I have a bingo card for ya for McCain's speech, btw -

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_akLbxNKanGc/SLZlWSYSEiI/AAAAAAAABfI/L05Y4EFsiAI/s1600/McCain%2BBingo.jpg

Cheers
Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 28 Aug, 2008 03:26 pm
It seems most do not understand what the "uninsured" really means. Those are people who cannot go visit a doctor without proving they have health insurance - or the money to pay for their "visit." Many middle class families and the poor fit into that category; their only option is to visit the Emergency Room of a hospital where the feds mandate that every patient who walks in must be seen and stabilized before being turned out.

Since the uninsured to not have any way for prevention services, they usually end up dead or with an illness that's more expensive and harder to cure.

Conservatives use fear of terrorists to justify illegal wiretaps and torture of our prisoners. They also use the fear of diminished quality and higher prices of health care if we implement a universal health care system in this country. They have a fear that a government-run health care system will ruin the quality of care, and the cost will skyrocket to new heights. What they can't seem to understand that 1) it doesn't need to be government run, and 2) it can be based on a capitalistic/competitive model to retain quality of care. Their fears have made them blind to the various options available of a true universal health care system.

Fear, fear, fear, fear....is all they know.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 28 Aug, 2008 04:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yes. Fear of what you Americans will do with it.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 29 Aug, 2008 05:38 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
To answer the title of this thread Ihave one simple word
AGE.
The guy who had wasted his prime life in a far off country and got the noble patriotic title POW is now 72 years old with a handfull of nice villas surrounded with garden and a new bewtiching wife.
Why the hell USA torture this partiotic person to spend his rest of the life in WHITE HOUSE?
What is wrong with American politcs?
Are there not some 50 year old person without house to occupy the white house?
If I were this guy, I would have sit behind and correct the corrupt , contangerous system and not be a candidate.
Of course I have a human feeling which is called shame.
Here is a quote which reflects my view in better English.

The celebrated 18th-century English sage “Dr.” Samuel Johnson once said, “Every old man complains of the ... petulance and insolence of the rising generation.” See any evidence of this aphorism in the apparent " and increasing " disdain of John McCain toward Barack Obama? (Hints: Obama as Britney Spears or Paris Hilton? The Obama “Audacity Watch”? The youthful pretender to the throne is arrogant and presumptuous?)

You see, I bring this up because today is John McCain’s 72nd birthday. And by the way, happy birthday, senator! Now, before I am accused of being politically incorrect in labeling McCain an old man, let me assure you I am no ageist. My own father will be 98 in October. My oldest brother turned 70 two days ago. My paternal grandparents were both 89 when they passed away. My maternal grandmother lived until 92. Two of my surviving aunts are 90.

But, c’mon, McCain’s age is a legitimate issue, and it is a disservice to try to sweep it under the table and pretend like he is just another middle-aged white Republican male running for president. The age difference between McCain and Obama (25 years) is the largest in American history between the two major-party nominees.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12884.html
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 29 Aug, 2008 05:44 pm
@Ramafuchs,
That's the Dems fault for putting up a greenhorn.
Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 29 Aug, 2008 06:56 pm
@spendius,
I don't know whose fault is this. But anyway let me say that the American political system needs a quick repair.

"Barack Obama did something more than establish his leadership credentials while accepting the Democratic Party’s nomination for the 2008 presidential election at Denver. He offered a powerful reminder that governments should cater to the mass of the people and not the privileged few. Such an eloquent affirmation of the virtues of liberalism, in domestic as well as international affairs, was badly needed in a world that has been dominated and mangled by the forces of conservativism for the last two or three decades. During much of this period, liberals and progressives in the United States were unable to demolish the false propaganda that they were unpatriotic panderers to the irresponsible and the deviant. As a result, too many middle and working class Americans tended to vote Republican even when they were aware that it was against their own interests"
http://www.hindu.com/2008/08/30/stories/2008083056371000.htm
( A conservative Indian daily's view)
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 29 Aug, 2008 10:12 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
That's the Dems fault for putting up a greenhorn.


How do these simplistic notions ever gain traction?

Quote:

Bill Richardson's speech

Fellow citizens-I am not known as a quiet man. But I hope you will allow me, for a moment, to bring quiet to this great hall.

Because at a time when young men and women are dying for our country overseas, America faces a question worthy of silent reflection. And the American people are watching to see how we answer it. What is the best measure of a person's capacity to protect this country? There are often moments of great importance that go unnoticed in the unruly course of history.

And six years ago, there was a moment of great clarity and foresight. And if the world had known to listen, perhaps today there would be less heartache and sorrow. In October 2002, on a small stage before a small crowd, Barack Obama gave a speech that was barely noticed at the time.

In the midst of great fervor-brought about by an administration that questioned the patriotism of anyone who disagreed with it-Barack Obama called the coming war what it was: "a war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics." He was right!

Barack's words were prescient and brave. "I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East-and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al-Qaida." He was right!

He said: "a successful war against Iraq would require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences." He was right!

Instead, Barack Obama urged President Bush-who's never in the mood to be urged in a direction other than his own folly-to finish the fight with bin Laden and Al-Qaida. He was right!

Six years ago, in this simple but forceful speech, Barack Obama did more than just challenge President Bush. He offered a detailed vision for foreign policy-including the vigorous enforcement of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty-condemnation of human rights abuses even among our allies-and a commitment to reconciliation between Pakistan and India. He was right!

At the same time, there was another voice. After 9/11, John McCain turned his sights toward Iraq-a country that had nothing to do with 9/11-and called for a full-scale invasion. Barack Obama foresaw chaos. John McCain said we'd be welcomed as liberators, and that Iraq would pay for its own rebuilding. John McCain was wrong. Barack Obama was right!

Barack Obama was among the first to call for a timetable for responsible withdrawal. But John McCain, to this day, condemns the idea. The Iraqis are calling for a withdrawal timetable, but John McCain would keep us in Iraq for 100 years. John McCain is wrong. Barack Obama is right.

And Barack Obama saw the foolishness of embracing Pakistan's Musharraf. John McCain thought we should support the dictator and let him take care of the Pakistani terrorists. Musharaff is now gone, and the terrorists are stronger than ever. John McCain was wrong. Barack Obama was right.

With America fighting two wars, the 9/11 terrorists still at large, Iran pursuing nuclear weapons

and Russia in Georgia, America needs a president who gets it right the first time. That president will be Barack Obama. With a vision of foreign policy that has ranged far beyond Iraq, Barack Obama has found a kindred spirit in another leader of great strength and wisdom-Joe Biden.

Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe we must fight the terrorists-not where we imagine them to be, but where we know them to be-like Afghanistan and Pakistan. We must lead a global effort to secure loose nuclear materials, not where we imagine them to be, but where we know them to be, in Russia, and the countries of the former Soviet Union.

It's time we had a president committed to fighting poverty in the Third World and ending the genocide in Darfur; who leads international efforts to stop global warming, strengthens our friendship with Mexico and Latin America, and stands behind Israel with full-time diplomacy to achieve peace in the Middle East; a president who ends the global scourge of AIDS in our time and sets an example of moral leadership by following our constitution, shutting down Guantanamo, and ending torture.

We must do all of this, not because we imagine these are American ideals, but because we know they are.

And ladies and gentlemen, Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe it's time to finish the job and get bin Laden. We don't need another four years of more of the same. It's time for the change America needs. This is the judgment and vision of Barack Obama. This is the preparation he has to be President of the United States. And this is the man we need to return our country into the goodwill of other nations and the grace of history.

 

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