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The Case Against John McCain

 
 
woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:38 am
old europe wrote:
woiyo wrote:
I do not see how "people" can be happy with the performance of the current Congress. I do not need a poll to tell me what should be obvious to any objective American.


Then why did you feel like you needed to cite a poll that merely tells you what "should be obvious"?

You don't just cite polls when you agree with them, do you?


You are an idiot and therefore, can not follow reason. There in no point in responding to you and further on this matter.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:39 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
The republicans have misplaced what our "terrorism" is by creating a fear that is so low on the totem pole, it shouldn't even be an issue. Rather, the real terrorism is the loss of jobs, loss of homes, loss of health care insurance, higher cost of fuel and food, and an economic future that bodes badly for most middle-class and poor families.

While the world crumbles around us, the republicans continue to believe al Qaida is the threat to our security; it's Bush.


Of course, the Democratic controlled Congress has done NOTHING to correct what you perceive as terrorism. Rolling Eyes
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 12:22 pm
woiyo wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
The republicans have misplaced what our "terrorism" is by creating a fear that is so low on the totem pole, it shouldn't even be an issue. Rather, the real terrorism is the loss of jobs, loss of homes, loss of health care insurance, higher cost of fuel and food, and an economic future that bodes badly for most middle-class and poor families.

While the world crumbles around us, the republicans continue to believe al Qaida is the threat to our security; it's Bush.


Of course, the Democratic controlled Congress has done NOTHING to correct what you perceive as terrorism. Rolling Eyes


woiyo, You show your ignorance with almost every post; who do you think is handicapping the democratic congress? Do you know what a "majority" means? Probably not.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 12:24 pm
Do you also understand anything about the president's veto power?

That's not to say the democratic congress has been doing their jobs correctly too.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 12:24 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
woiyo wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
The republicans have misplaced what our "terrorism" is by creating a fear that is so low on the totem pole, it shouldn't even be an issue. Rather, the real terrorism is the loss of jobs, loss of homes, loss of health care insurance, higher cost of fuel and food, and an economic future that bodes badly for most middle-class and poor families.

While the world crumbles around us, the republicans continue to believe al Qaida is the threat to our security; it's Bush.


Of course, the Democratic controlled Congress has done NOTHING to correct what you perceive as terrorism. Rolling Eyes


woiyo, You show your ignorance with almost every post; who do you think is handicapping the democratic congress? Do you know what a "majority" means? Probably not.


Who is being ignorant? Rolling Eyes
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 12:35 pm
McCain's famous temper will be an issue this Fall; it is a character flaw.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25495610/#storyContinued

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One of John McCain's Republican colleagues says he saw the presumed GOP presidential nominee roughly grab an associate of Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega and lift him out of his chair during a diplomatic mission to the Central American nation in 1987.


Real diplomatic.

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 12:44 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
McCain's famous temper will be an issue this Fall; it is a character flaw.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25495610/#storyContinued

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One of John McCain's Republican colleagues says he saw the presumed GOP presidential nominee roughly grab an associate of Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega and lift him out of his chair during a diplomatic mission to the Central American nation in 1987.


Real diplomatic.

Cycloptichorn


so, a guy that hasn't been able to lift his arms over his head since Vietnam reached over a table and lifted another guy up out of his chair?

Laughing

Damn you guys are just getting deeper and deeper in dispair over McCain.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 12:58 pm
McGentrix wrote:


so, a guy that hasn't been able to lift his arms over his head since Vietnam reached over a table and lifted another guy up out of his chair?

Laughing

Damn you guys are just getting deeper and deeper in dispair over McCain.


One of John McCain's Republican colleagues ...
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 01:04 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
McCain's famous temper will be an issue this Fall; it is a character flaw.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25495610/#storyContinued

Quote:
One of John McCain's Republican colleagues says he saw the presumed GOP presidential nominee roughly grab an associate of Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega and lift him out of his chair during a diplomatic mission to the Central American nation in 1987.


Real diplomatic.

Cycloptichorn


so, a guy that hasn't been able to lift his arms over his head since Vietnam reached over a table and lifted another guy up out of his chair?

Laughing

Damn you guys are just getting deeper and deeper in dispair over McCain.


I suggest you send your questions about the incident to Thad Cochran, R-Mississippi. I have little doubt he could clear that up for ya.

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 01:36 pm
McCain denies roughing up Sandinistathe allegation was "simply not true."

Sen. Thad Cochran, R-Miss., told a Mississippi newspaper that he saw McCain, during a trip to Nicaragua led by former Sen. Bob Dole, R-Kan., grab an Ortega associate by his shirt collar and lift him out of his chair.

The Republican presidential contender, who is known for his hot temper, was questioned about the alleged incident at a news conference Wednesday here. He noted that at the time, he had been asked to co-chair a Central American working group in the Senate with Democrat Chris Dodd, D-Conn., and had made several trips to the region in that role.

"I had many, many meetings with the Sandinistas," McCain said. "I must say, I did not admire the Sandinistas much. But there was never anything of that nature. It just didn't happen."

His comments did not square with Cochran's detailed recollection of the alleged incident.

"McCain was down at the end of the table and we were talking to the head of the guerrilla group here at this end of the table and I don't know what attracted my attention," Cochran said in an interview with The Sun Herald in Biloxi, Miss. "But I saw some kind of quick movement at the bottom of the table and I looked down there and John had reached over and grabbed this guy by the shirt collar and had snatched him up like he was throwing him up out of the chair to tell him what he thought about him or whatever ...

"I don't know what he was telling him but I thought, 'Good grief, everybody around here has got guns and we were there on a diplomatic mission.' I don't know what had happened to provoke John, but he obviously got mad at the guy ... and he just reached over there and snatched ... him."

Cochran, who has complained about McCain's temper before, said only a handful of senators took part in the trip, including former Sen. Steve Symms of Idaho. He said he didn't know who the man McCain grabbed was except that he was an associate of Ortega.

The newspaper posted the audio of its interview on its Web site.

Lorne Craner, 49, a former foreign policy aide to McCain who took part in the trip to Nicaragua, told The Associated Press that he doesn't recall the incident Cochran described.

"Honestly, if my boss had grabbed a foreign government official like that and lifted him up I would certainly remember that," said Craner, who is president of the International Republican Institute, which McCain chairs.


Craner said he also doesn't recall whether the senators met with Ortega during the trip but believes they met with the Sandinista government's foreign minister or interior minister. He said the trip was one of several to Nicaragua made by McCain and other members of Congress around that time.

Asked about the incident, Cochran spokeswoman Margaret McPhillips told The Associated Press: "I think his quotes in the Sun Herald speak on that issue."

The McCain campaign had no immediate comment.

McCain has battled for years with Cochran, a senior member of the Senate Appropriations Committee, over pet projects or "earmarks" inserted by committee members into spending bills.

McCain sought to smooth things over with Cochran this year after the Mississippi senator said the idea of McCain as the GOP presidential nominee sent a chill down his spine.


Ortega, who once allied himself with Fidel Castro and the Soviet Union, headed the leftist Sandinista government and battled U.S.-backed Contra forces in the 1980s. He won re-election as Nicaragua's president in 2006.

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I know you guys want McCain to have the worse light possible but this is hardly the way to go about it. Believing a 20 year old story from someone that has a beef with McCain? Please.
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 01:45 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Believing a 20 year old story from someone that has a beef with McCain? Please.


Why not? People didn't have a problem with believing 35 year old stories from people who had a beef with Kerry.....
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 01:47 pm
So you want to be like those people? Laughing
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 01:52 pm
McGentrix wrote:
So you want to be like those people? Laughing


Laughing Cool
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 02:17 pm
McGentrix wrote:
So you want to be like those people? Laughing


Do I want to vote for or against a candidate because I take my information from a high-profile smear campaign? No. Probably not.

Does that mean we should we right away dismiss any kind of information when relayed by someone who has not always been on the same side as the candidate in question? I don't think so.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 02:28 pm
old europe wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
So you want to be like those people? Laughing


Do I want to vote for or against a candidate because I take my information from a high-profile smear campaign? No. Probably not.

Does that mean we should we right away dismiss any kind of information when relayed by someone who has not always been on the same side as the candidate in question? I don't think so.


You mean so long as it's not against your favored candidate right?
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 02:36 pm
McGentrix wrote:
old europe wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
So you want to be like those people? Laughing


Do I want to vote for or against a candidate because I take my information from a high-profile smear campaign? No. Probably not.

Does that mean we should we right away dismiss any kind of information when relayed by someone who has not always been on the same side as the candidate in question? I don't think so.


You mean so long as it's not against your favored candidate right?



Nope. Any candidate.

Of course we should make sure that the information is correct. But just shooting the messenger seems a bit simplistic.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 02:39 pm
Well, in this case it's Cochran's word against McCain's and McCain has a witness who has also said it didn't happen. So, I am sure that means you guys believe Cochran, right? I mean because he is such an honest and straightforward guy who has nothing to gain or lose by making a story like this available to the press right? Despite his saying "the idea of McCain as the GOP presidential nominee sent a chill down his spine."

Rolling Eyes
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 02:40 pm
Report: McCain campaign shakeup promotes 'Bushworld veterans' by Nick Juliano
Published: Wednesday July 2, 2008

Apparently undeterred by accusations that he is running for George W. Bush's third term, Republican presidential candidate John McCain is shaking up his campaign staff to promote several "Bushworld veterans" to top positions, according to a new report.

Politico's Jonathan Martin reports that Steve Schmidt, a senior communications aide in the Bush-Cheney '04 campaign, is now in charge of the "day-to-day operation" of McCain's White House run. The shakeup has created some confusion within McCain's team about who's really running the show.

Schmidt's ascension seems to foretell McCain's campaign shifting towards more personal attacks aimed at Barack Obama. In a campaign memo released last week, Schmidt accused Obama of "self-serving partisanship" and of putting his own needs before those of the country.

The move to promote Schmidt came after "a sluggish ramp-up to the general and number of unforced errors had left the candidate, senior staff and elected officials unhappy with the state of the campaign," Martin reports.

Sources tell Martin that Schmidt, who also ran California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's re-election effort, will coordinate McCain's daily message and "have an increased role in shaping most every facet of the organization," leaving current campaign manager Rick Davis, a former lobbyist, to focus more on big-picture issues.

Now, accounts diverge on the exact nature of the new chain of command. One top McCain source said that Schmidt "assumed full operational control of the campaign today" and described Davis as "a general manager."

But Charlie Black, another top adviser, said Davis was still in charge.

"Steve is going to function under Rick as a [chief operating officer]," Black said. "Rick still has authority over all things. Steve works for Rick."
One of McCain's earliest hires, Schmidt joined the campaign as a communications adviser in December of 2006.

Schmidt is a a veteran of the Bush White House and protege of Karl Rove, Bush's former top political opperative.

Martin reports that several other "Bushworld veterans" are taking on larger roles in the campaign, including Matt McDonald, who worked for the '04 campaign; Taylor Griffin, a former White House spokesman; and Mike DuHaime, who managed Rudy Giuliani's own failed presidential campaign.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 02:42 pm
Why would they want people who have been successful in 3 major campaigns working for them?

How odd that is.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 02:51 pm
Odd indeed! Look how Bush performed after the slaughter of Kerry by the swift boaters.
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