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The Case Against John McCain

 
 
blueflame1
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2008 04:42 pm
WATCH: Graham Says McCain's Policies Would "Absolutely" Be An Extension Of Bush's link
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springhill
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2008 04:57 pm
McSame - The Maverick
McSame

http://i28.tinypic.com/w6yvb4.jpg
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2008 04:58 pm
McBushie
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hanno
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 12:11 am
Go ahead - take what looks refreshingly different to you - there's always free cheese in a mousetrap...
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 04:52 pm
Apologies if this has already been posted somewhere -- I didn't see it:

First Read;
Quote:
McCain DID criticize the press
Posted: Monday, June 09, 2008 12:02 PM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: 2008, McCain

From NBC's Mark Murray
Earlier this morning, we clipped an interview McCain did with Newsweek, in which he told the magazine that he didn't criticize the media in his speech Tuesday for overlooking Hillary Clinton's attributes. "I did not [say that] -- that was in prepared remarks, and I did not [say it] -- I'm not in the business of commenting on the press and their coverage or not coverage."

But as Politico's Martin writes, "video from McCain's address shows him giving the line as written... Presented with video showing that the GOP nominee did in fact read the remarks as they were prepared, McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said Newsweek's account of McCain's answer is 'paraphrased and unclear.' Rogers said he was not questioning the magazine's transcription, but pointing out that they included brackets."

Martin adds, "But given that he was responding to a direct question about a portion of the speech, it's unclear what else McCain could have been alluding to when noting twice that he 'did not.' That he also pointed out that the same section had been 'in the prepared remarks' only clarifies that he was referring to the passage in question."


Politico article referred to:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0608/McCain_DID_deliver_line_tweaking_press.html

It's not huge in and of itself. But McCain has had this great relationship with the press and that seems to be showing some fissures. That's good (from a pro-Obama perspective anyway).
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 05:00 pm
sozobe wrote:


It's not huge in and of itself. But McCain has had this great relationship with the press and that seems to be showing some fissures. That's good (from a pro-Obama perspective anyway).


That's even better from an honesty perspective, Sozobe.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 06:02 pm
BBB
I didn't know this topic existed. Here's more information about John McCain:

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=117745
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paull
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2008 11:34 pm
Too old. Otherwise, he is head and shoulders above the hypocritical buppie know nothing he is running against, who has to remember to not screw up before the convention or Bill's old lady will swoop down like a harpie.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2008 10:12 am
The Politico reports today that McSame - really is a great nickname.

Quote:
Asked whether he'd be interested in Cheney had the vice president not already have served under Bush for two terms, McCain said: "I don't know if I would want him as vice president. He and I have the same strengths. But to serve in other capacities? Hell, yeah."


If anything, Cheney is more reviled here in America then Bush himself. His approval numbers are below Bush's. What kind of tin ear does McCain have, to say such things?

Cycloptichorn
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2008 11:26 am
I didn't post anything about the "it's not that important" statement earlier, because it was being reported as a gaffe and as such is relatively minor in terms of "the case against John McCain." This piece from Josh Marshall is interesting, though, and takes it broader -- it wasn't really a gaffe, it was McCain saying what he really thinks.

Josh Marshall wrote:
Ex Post McCaino

The McCain campaign is hitting back hard against Democratic criticism of his "not that important" quote this morning on Today. But as often is the case with McCain, the explanations of what he said are even sillier than the original statement.

According to the McCain camp, the original clip that we published this morning doesn't contain the full context of the remarks. And they've posted a longer version, which doesn't appear to change the meaning in any meaningful way. But decide for yourself.

Their other point is that McCain isn't saying that bringing the troops home isn't that important, he's saying that precisely when they come home isn't that important and that reducing the number of casualties is more important than the precise date when they come home. But this highly strained argument seems premised on the assumption that journalists should report not what you say but your own highly generous after-the-fact interpretation of what you said.

I would say that in the context of Iraq when they come home and whether they come home are actually inextricably combined. Presumably US military personnel won't be in Iraq 20,000 years from now. At some point they'll come home. But staying for many decades is, in the context of most of our lives, the same as staying forever. On the latter point McCain doesn't say that reducing casualties is more important than getting people home. He's saying one is his focus and the other isn't very important.

Sometimes these references by McCain are treated as gaffes but they're not. This is what McCain believes: that we should have a long-term troop presence in Iraq to guarantee the survival of a pro-U.S. government and assert power in the region. That's not a crazy position. That's the position of the current administration. That's why we're currently trying to secure an agreement with the Iraqis to ratify that goal. The problem isn't that McCain's position is incomprehensible. It's just not popular. Most Americans think reducing casualties is important too. But they'd like to do both -- reduce casualties and leave too.

The problem for the McCain campaign is that he keeps stumbling into clear statements of his actual policy, which is close to lethal since the vast majority of Americans disagree with his policy and Iraq is virtually the only thing he's running on. The context the McCain campaign keeps trying to put forward after the fact is what they wished he'd said rather than what he did. And even that, when you push deep, isn't that different from McCain's actual policy, which is that he doesn't think we should be leaving Iraq for years to come, most likely decades.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/199728.php

(Emphasis mine.)

(Links embedded in original; "Decide for yourself" contains a link, for example.)
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 11 Jun, 2008 11:37 am
How much is a "vast majority" these days?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2008 04:11 pm
A lot.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/11/mccain-admits-he-doesnt-k_n_106478.html

McCain admits that he has no idea how to use a computer, and is illiterate in terms of their usage.

Can he get more removed from modern society if he tried? I wonder what else would be added to the things he knows nothing about, yet most Americans take for granted?

Cycloptichorn
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Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2008 04:54 pm
That is definitely age related. I recall Ron Paul had never heard of YouTube until it began to be reported how popular he was on the internet.
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 12 Jun, 2008 06:44 pm
I hear Ron Paul officially dropped out of his campaign. I wonder what Libertarians would think of an Obama/Ron Paul team? Myself; I would find it hard to vote for Ron Paul even though I like the way he thinks on foreign and other related issues because of his domestic issues. But I can see how a team with both on it would appeal to a Libertarian since they are largely small government but seem to be more like a liberal on foreign matters. I wonder which would win out in such a case; would someone very anti-Iraq war (and all that usually entails like civil liberties...) but very small government pick McCain or Obama?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2008 06:27 am
Quote:
In a study of the candidates' plans made public Wednesday, the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center concluded that in contrast to Mr. McCain, "Senator Obama offers much larger tax breaks to low- and middle-income taxpayers and would increase taxes on high-income taxpayers."

The study said, "The largest tax cuts, as a share of income, would go to those at the bottom of the income distribution," whereas "Senator McCain's tax cuts would primarily benefit those with very high incomes."


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/us/politics/13check.html

McCain seems to be the worst of both worlds there.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2008 08:32 am
McCain Then: Need To Privatize Social Security
McCain Now: I've Never Been For Privatization link
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2008 08:35 am
No matter how bad McCain is ... he is a far better option for the health and security of this Republic.

Electing Obama president is the the wrong change at the wrong time - I hope the masses realize this before it's to late.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2008 09:47 am
H2O_MAN, McCain like Bushie is anti- the health and security of America and the world. War is what makes them tick and America and the world are sick of war. McBushie and the GOP are in for a whuppin' in November.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2008 10:34 am
McCain can't stop lying about his past. He claimed today that he's never been for the privatization of SS; but he was for exactly that in 2004.

I doubt that's going to go over well with the older crowd, highlighting his support for yet another failed Bush policy.

Cycloptichorn
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woiyo
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jun, 2008 10:52 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
McCain can't stop lying about his past. He claimed today that he's never been for the privatization of SS; but he was for exactly that in 2004.

I doubt that's going to go over well with the older crowd, highlighting his support for yet another failed Bush policy.

Cycloptichorn


You people cannot stop twisting truth.

"John McCain supports supplementing the current Social Security system with personal accounts--but not as a substitute for addressing benefit promises that cannot be kept. John McCain will reach across the aisle, but if the Democrats do not act, he will. No problem is in more need of honesty than the looming financial challenges of entitlement programs. Americans have the right to know the truth and John McCain will not leave office without fixing the problems that threatens our future prosperity and power."

http://www.ontheissues.org/Economic/John_McCain_Social_Security.htm

A personal account is NOT privatization. Wise up and stop acting like a fool.
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