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The Case Against John McCain

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 09:55 am
woiyo wrote:
CHANGE?? SMANGE.....

Every 4 years we hear the same tired old CHANGE angle and it is all BS.

A President needs to LEAD. I do not recall Obama being a leader at any time in his political life. A leader needs the respect of those who will follow. One earns respect by being experienced and having demonstrated leadership abilities.

Obama demonstrates none of these abilities. McCain does.

What's any of that got to do with what Soz was saying about the glaring similarity in the phrasing of their slogans, the look of their logos?

"Change we can believe in" and "A leader we can believe in." You said, they are not similar, one must be on good drugs to see any similarity. Um, ohkay...
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 10:32 am
As this thread has shown, there are many and diverse problems with McCain's candidacy this year. Not the least of which is his penchant for hiring folks who happen to be corrupt. In today's edition, we see more problems arising for Phil Gramm, McCain's top financial advisor.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/06/business/worldbusiness/06tax.html?ref=business

"The case could turn into an embarrassment for Marcel Rohner, the chief executive of UBS and the former head of its private bank, as well as for Phil Gramm, the former Republican senator from Texas who is now the vice chairman of UBS Securities, the Swiss bank's investment banking arm."

Cycloptichorn
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springhill
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 11:19 am
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/3838/ourleader11gk0.jpg


http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5800/ourleader21cp4.jpg
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 11:33 am
Thanks Springhill, welcome to A2K.

Nice billboards - they really do highlight how creepy McCain is in some pictures.

Cycloptichorn
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 07:39 pm
Brand X wrote:
Leader sounds much better than change....you have to agree with that.


Not if there's no "leader", Brand X. How can a person who lies daily, who confuses the simplest of things, who has an exceedingly poor grasp of foreign affairs, who has an exceedingly poor grasp of most fact situations, who [fill in the blank] ever be considered a leader?

The USA has just come thru eight years of this and you seem to be plumping for four more.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 07:52 pm
woiyo wrote:

CHANGE?? SMANGE.....

Every 4 years we hear the same tired old CHANGE angle and it is all BS.

Yup, everything is just going swimmingly. Hell, if ya wanna see how great things are goin', just look at the prez's ratings.

A President needs to LEAD. I do not recall Obama being a leader at any time in his political life. A leader needs the respect of those who will follow. One earns respect by being experienced and having demonstrated leadership abilities.

Obama demonstrates none of these abilities. McCain does.


It's impossible to follow McCain. He's all over the map. He can't even remember his memes and memes are the only safe ground for a Republican. Confusion reigns supreme for this accomplished liar. His web, of his own doing, is so big and so sticky that every move only serves to bind him tighter.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 09:49 pm
springhill wrote:
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They could have saved a ton of money by putting two faces atop his shoulders, one facing east, one facing west, and it would have been a much more accurate representation of the man.
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fishin
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 09:57 pm
JTT wrote:

Not if there's no "leader", Brand X. How can a person who lies daily, who confuses the simplest of things, who has an exceedingly poor grasp of foreign affairs, who has an exceedingly poor grasp of most fact situations, who [fill in the blank] ever be considered a leader?


Thousands of Democrats had no problem overlooking all of those very same problems and voted for Hillary thinking she would be a good leader...
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 10:47 pm
fishin wrote:
JTT wrote:

Not if there's no "leader", Brand X. How can a person who lies daily, who confuses the simplest of things, who has an exceedingly poor grasp of foreign affairs, who has an exceedingly poor grasp of most fact situations, who [fill in the blank] ever be considered a leader?


Thousands of Democrats had no problem overlooking all of those very same problems and voted for Hillary thinking she would be a good leader...


"thousands" Are you sure you wanna go down that road, Fishin'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dailymirror.jpg
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fishin
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 10:59 pm
JTT wrote:
fishin wrote:
JTT wrote:

Not if there's no "leader", Brand X. How can a person who lies daily, who confuses the simplest of things, who has an exceedingly poor grasp of foreign affairs, who has an exceedingly poor grasp of most fact situations, who [fill in the blank] ever be considered a leader?


Thousands of Democrats had no problem overlooking all of those very same problems and voted for Hillary thinking she would be a good leader...


"thousands" Are you sure you wanna go down that road, Fishin'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dailymirror.jpg


Are you trying to claim that she didn't get thousands of votes? You can't really be that stupid...
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revel
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 05:36 am
Just an observation, coming to a defense of somewhat by pointing out others who do the same is pretty lame.

One more example of McCain's many flip flops:

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Links embedded at the source

Yea, he shows real leadership alright; leadership on how to change your position when it benefits you politically.
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 05:42 am
http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/25003/thumbs/s-BUSHMCCAINMONT-large.jpg
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 04:14 pm
fishin wrote:


Are you trying to claim that she didn't get thousands of votes? You can't really be that stupid...


Nope, I didn't suggest that she did or didn't get thousands of votes, Fishin'. You made that erroneous assumption.


fishin wrote:


Thousands of Democrats had no problem overlooking all of those very same problems and voted for Hillary thinking she would be a good leader...


There's no comparison between the two. You just think there is because McCain gets a pass from the MSM.
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springhill
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 07:46 pm
http://i30.tinypic.com/kbzj48.jpg
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 09:34 pm
JTT wrote:


fishin wrote:


Thousands of Democrats had no problem overlooking all of those very same problems and voted for Hillary thinking she would be a good leader...


There's no comparison between the two. You just think there is because McCain gets a pass from the MSM.


Quote:


Rev. Wright dominated media's presidential primary coverage.

The Project for Excellence in Journalism has officially crowned Sen. Barack Obama's (D-IL) relationship with his former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, "the dominant media story of the entire" presidential campaign, "by far." Wright's comments "received four times more coverage than any other theme or event throughout the campaign." Reports of the superdelegate role and Obama's so-called "bitter" comments were the second and third most covered stories, respectively. However, "[n]o other story line came close to attracting as much coverage as the Wright-Obama association, and most of it was negative."


http://thinkprogress.org/



And why would such a series of non-issues so dominate the press in the USA, the bastion of truth and all that is good and right when there is so much of this going on?


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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 09:48 pm
The Case Against John McCain is John McCain.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2008 06:18 am
That's cute, Springhill. :-)



More case against John McCain stuff:

http://www.womenforbarackobama.com/McCain.html

The site is "Women for Barack Obama," yes, but the info seems accurate (and thorough).

Here's another:

http://www.ppaction.org/ppvotes/thetruthaboutjohnmccain.html

Both articles/ sites emphasize the fact that many of McCain's current female supporters either a) don't know his consistently pro-life voting record, or b) are actually wrong (they think he's pro-choice), and c) say they won't vote for him after all when they find out.

From "A Maverick, But He's No Moderate" (Newsweek):

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Pro-choice groups attribute that gap to voters who confuse McCain-the-maverick with McCain-the-moderate, based on his willingness to split from his party on certain issues. Abortion, though, isn't one of them. "The press describes him as a moderate maverick, so people take that to mean that he's pro-choice, or not as bad on choice," says Ted Miller, a spokesperson for NARAL Pro-Choice America. "But if you look at his voting record, he's nowhere near moderate."
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revel
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2008 07:16 am
Along with McCain being no moderate he is also not a maverick or straight shooter.


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So What Does John McCain Think of the President's Constitutional Authority to Violate FISA?


Marty Lederman


Not even the Shadow knows.

There has been a spate of stories in recent days endlessly recounting, parsing and debating a long series of statements by Senator McCain and his campaign about the extremely important question of whether the NSA's domestic surveillance program was unlawful or whether, instead, the President has the constitutional authority to disregard limits on electronic surveillance that Congress imposed in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). See, for example, Glenn Greenwald's, Charlie Savage's, and Orin Kerr's accounts.

The whole, sordid timeline is provided in this Jake Tapper blogpost today, in which Jake appends the McCain campaign's latest, even-more-ambiguous flip-flop.

Personally, I don't think the great debate about McCain really thinks about the question is worth the candle. If one examines the entire series of statements, it soon becomes evident either that the Senator and his staff have no earthly idea what they're talking about or (more likely) that they are quite deliberately being as ambiguous, equivocal and contradictory as possible, so that they can embrace whichever view is politically expedient at any given time and with any given audience -- so that they can, for example, tell Charlie Savage that the President has no dictatorial constitutional power to disregard FISA, while at the same time reassuring the Republican base (i.e., the National Review) that, as President, McCain would scoff at statutes that get in his way.


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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2008 11:42 am
The idea that McCain is going to pick up the 'scorned woman' crowd is a little ridiculous. His past actions towards women - and his various comments throughout the years - will preclude this from happening.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

Cycloptichorn
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 8 Jun, 2008 12:53 pm
Someone as two-faced as John McCain simply can't keep his panderings straight. He, like all Republican candidates, operate on the fact that 59 million people can be dumb enough to vote for someone like him. It's happened before, has it not?

This time the dummies won't be fooled, even with all the help he is being given from the MSM.

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Hullabaloo

Were you aware that John McCain wrote the foreward to an edition of The Best And the Brightest? And were you aware that it said this?

It was a shameful thing to ask men to suffer and die, to persevere through god-awful afflictions and heartache, to endure the dehumanizing experiences that are unavoidable in combat, for a cause that the country wouldn't support over time and that our leaders so wrongly believed could be achieved at a smaller cost than our enemy was prepared to make us pay. No other national endeavor requires as much unshakable resolve as war. If the nation and the government lack that resolve, it is criminal to expect men in the field to carry it alone.



Will anyone ask him about this?

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