mysteryman, I wonder how many former POWs given the chance McCain has would have voted against our troops benefits as many times as McCain has. "IAVA Grades Congress on Supporting Our Troops (Updated)
by Kevin Jon Heller
Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, the first and largest group of its kind, has given letter grades to every Representative and Senator based on their voting history on issues that affect soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, war veterans, and military families. The methodolgy used by the non-profit and non-partisan group was straightforward:"
http://www.opiniojuris.org/posts/1161743701.shtml "Senator John McCain D"
http://www.iava.org/full-ratings-list
Not only has McCain voted no on troop funding but he is again hypocritical about it when he accusing Obama of doing the same.
Quote:McCain spoke first, in New Orleans, and he accused his younger rival of voting "to deny funds to the soldiers who have done a brilliant and brave job" in Iraq. It was a reference to 2007 legislation to pay for the Iraq war, a measure Obama opposed citing the lack of a timetable for withdrawing troops.
source
H.R. 1591
McCain (R-AZ), Nay
McCain (R-AZ), Nay
S.Amdt. 3007 to S.Con.Res. 83
McCain (R-AZ), Nay
Plenty more
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Yep, good point.
Looking forward to (if they do this) the possibility of Obama needling McCain into flashes of temper, too.
How can these guys admit to being fake journalists and still keep their jobs? These two jokers have aided and abetted McCain in this just as they have with the liars in the WH.
They are not similar. Must be taking the good drugs today!
Yep, nothing similar between "Change we can believe in" and "A leader we can believe in." There are, like, two different words! (If you include the "a.")
And nothing similar about the red-and-white stripedy field with blue and white glowy rays emerging from it... nothing similar at all...
Leader sounds much better than change....you have to agree with that.
In a vacuum, maybe. It's hard for me to tell because it's so NOT a vacuum -- "Change we can believe in" has been Obama's slogan since the very beginning, and it's so closely associated with him now.
Yeah, unfortunately Obama is stuck with it.
"Unfortunately"? "Stuck"?
Seems to be working pretty well for him.
And to bring things full circle -- McCain seems to think so too. :-)
(McCain's new slogan is awfully derivative... you have to agree with that.)
But McCain isn't copying Obama, he is playing off of his message but making it more meaningful. That's what you do in a marketing competition.
He isn't copying Obama?? Ohh kaayyy.
And I don't actually like McCain's meaning better if that's what we're talking about. "Change" is more general, includes the possibility of movement-change, bottom-up change, doing-this-together change. "Leader" is all about one guy. McCain. "Just trust me <big scary grin>"
I personally prefer the first (movement vs. individual) and think it's also more effective in terms of energizing voters.
I also just realized the "we" is weird in McCains. It should be more like "A leader you can believe in." Why is he saying "we" when he's talking about himself?
Whereas part of the point is that Obama ISN'T just talking about himself. He's saying c'mon, be a part of this, work with me. The change we can accomplish is bigger than any of us. He is one of the "we," alongside the other voters and volunteers. McCain is putting himself above the "we," though -- he's the leader. So "we" doesn't work there.
(Yes, I was an English major.)
I agree with you on the 'we'.
sozobe wrote:
Yep, nothing similar between "Change we can believe in" and "A leader we can believe in." There are, like, two different words! (If you include the "a.")
And nothing similar about the red-and-white stripedy field with blue and white glowy rays emerging from it... nothing similar at all...
CHANGE?? SMANGE.....
Every 4 years we hear the same tired old CHANGE angle and it is all BS.
A President needs to LEAD. I do not recall Obama being a leader at any time in his political life. A leader needs the respect of those who will follow. One earns respect by being experienced and having demonstrated leadership abilities.
Obama demonstrates none of these abilities. McCain does.
Obama has led his campaign far better than any other candidate. Leading a great, organized, disciplined campaign doesn't automatically make one a great president, but it doesn't count for nothing, and it is certainly no negative.