The Case Against John McCain

McGentrix wrote:

Wouldn't it be in the best interest of the sub-prime lenders to have the borrowers bailed out? It seems that having a home forclosed upon costs the lending institutions money and thus the issue that banks like UBS face. It would seem that Gramm wasn't doing a very good job of lobbying McCain.

Perhaps instead, being a conservative and all, McCain believes that people should learn to live within their means.

This is nothing more then leftist hype. Much like the rest of the "case" against McCain posted in this thread which so far almost entirely consists of "He's not Obama."

Ah, no; what they want is for the huge number of people who are barely scraping by on their mortgages to keep paying.


Leftist Hype, my ass. McCain has every single lobbyist in Washington on his election team, it seems, while purporting to be an anti-lobbyist candidate. He's a liar and a hypocrite. And stuff like this is really going to hurt him in the Fall, because he has no defenses for it.

Cycloptichorn

McGentrix wrote:

Wouldn't it be in the best interest of the sub-prime lenders to have the borrowers bailed out? It seems that having a home forclosed upon costs the lending institutions money and thus the issue that banks like UBS face. It would seem that Gramm wasn't doing a very good job of lobbying McCain.

Perhaps instead, being a conservative and all, McCain believes that people should learn to live within their means.

This is nothing more then leftist hype. Much like the rest of the "case" against McCain posted in this thread which so far almost entirely consists of "He's not Obama."

Ah, no; what they want is for the huge number of people who are barely scraping by on their mortgages to keep paying.

Leftist Hype, my ass. McCain has every single lobbyist in Washington on his election team, it seems, while purporting to be an anti-lobbyist candidate. He's a liar and a hypocrite. And stuff like this is really going to hurt him in the Fall, because he has no defenses for it.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

Wouldn't it be in the best interest of the sub-prime lenders to have the borrowers bailed out? It seems that having a home forclosed upon costs the lending institutions money and thus the issue that banks like UBS face. It would seem that Gramm wasn't doing a very good job of lobbying McCain.

Perhaps instead, being a conservative and all, McCain believes that people should learn to live within their means.

This is nothing more then leftist hype. Much like the rest of the "case" against McCain posted in this thread which so far almost entirely consists of "He's not Obama."

Ah, no; what they want is for the huge number of people who are barely scraping by on their mortgages to keep paying.

Oh, I see. McCain wants people to be able to keep their homes... ummm... what's wrong with that? Shouldn't people who looked for their dream home be able to keep it?

Quote:

Leftist Hype, my ass. McCain has every single lobbyist in Washington on his election team, it seems, while purporting to be an anti-lobbyist candidate. He's a liar and a hypocrite. And stuff like this is really going to hurt him in the Fall, because he has no defenses for it.

Cycloptichorn

The above is leftist hype. I don't believe I could have come up with a better example, so I thank you for saving me the effort.

No, you see it's a problem for those that oppose McCain, not really a problem for him. They people on his campaign are lobbying for McCain now. McCain is against the lobbyist power held over congress, that much is true. But does that mean that people he has worked with for years and years are automatically black listed from working on his campaign because of a job they had before?

That seems rather, well, excuse the term, but retarded. Seems that everyone working in Washington D.C. is a lobbyist and finding experts to run a campaign successfully may require taking on someone that may have worked as a lobbyist.

At least they aren't terrorists.

The Mortgage brokers want people who are barely affording their 1200 a month payments to keep paying them; they want to keep getting the money. How hard is that to understand? The percentage of foreclosures is still far smaller then the percentage who are still paying, and it's making plenty of money for the houses.

Cycloptichorn

McGentrix wrote:

Wouldn't it be in the best interest of the sub-prime lenders to have the borrowers bailed out? It seems that having a home forclosed upon costs the lending institutions money and thus the issue that banks like UBS face. It would seem that Gramm wasn't doing a very good job of lobbying McCain.

Perhaps instead, being a conservative and all, McCain believes that people should learn to live within their means.

This is nothing more then leftist hype. Much like the rest of the "case" against McCain posted in this thread which so far almost entirely consists of "He's not Obama."

Ah, no; what they want is for the huge number of people who are barely scraping by on their mortgages to keep paying.



Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

The Mortgage brokers want people who are barely affording their 1200 a month payments to keep paying them; they want to keep getting the money. How hard is that to understand? The percentage of foreclosures is still far smaller then the percentage who are still paying, and it's making plenty of money for the houses.

Cycloptichorn

skipped this part...

So, let me get this straight... people, some smart, some maybe not so smart, found a property, signed legal paperwork and contracts and borrowed large amounts of money to purchase that property and now the lenders have the nerve to expect to be paid back?! What kind of fantasyland are we living in here? Imagine that! Lenders actually expecting to be paid by the people they lended the money too... where does it end? What next? Farmers being expected to be paid for the crops they grow?

McGentrix wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

The Mortgage brokers want people who are barely affording their 1200 a month payments to keep paying them; they want to keep getting the money. How hard is that to understand? The percentage of foreclosures is still far smaller then the percentage who are still paying, and it's making plenty of money for the houses.

Cycloptichorn

skipped this part...

So, let me get this straight... people, some smart, some maybe not so smart, found a property, signed legal paperwork and contracts and borrowed large amounts of money to purchase that property and now the lenders have the nerve to expect to be paid back?! What kind of fantasyland are we living in here? Imagine that! Lenders actually expecting to be paid by the people they lended the money too... where does it end? What next? Farmers being expected to be paid for the crops they grow?

The point isn't that the bankers will do what's in THEIR best interest, the point is that McCain's advisers are telling him to ALSO do what's in the bank's best interest; not necessarily the interests of the American people.

This is why RTFA is a useful acronym.

Cycloptichorn

Corporate lobbyists are the exclusive owner-operators of McCain's Straight Talk Express. Voters are left stranded at the bus stop.

http://www.reachm.com/amstreet/

Quote:

Corporate lobbyists are the exclusive owner-operators of McCain's Straight Talk Express. Voters are left stranded at the bus stop.

http://www.reachm.com/amstreet/

McCain has been a very effective Senator for many many years.

Changing your positions over time is a quality I find admirable.

Obama has been in public service for about 20 minutes in comparison to McCain. Obama needs to find a position that makes sense. Then with experience, those positions may change. just like he changed his position on his church.

For now, just wishful thinking on your part to classify this as a "flip-flop".

woiyo wrote:

McCain has been a very effective Senator for many many years.

Changing your positions over time is a quality I find admirable.

Obama has been in public service for about 20 minutes in comparison to McCain. Obama needs to find a position that makes sense. Then with experience, those positions may change. just like he changed his position on his church.

For now, just wishful thinking on your part to classify this as a "flip-flop".

So, you are claiming that McCain has not done a flip-flop on this - in the last 6 months, when there really hasn't been any new developments to change his mind?

It's obvious that you didn't read the link. He's directly contradicted his own statements; that's the definition of a flip-flop.

btw, Obama's public service record is about half as long as McCain's.

Cycloptichorn

And you were secure enough in yours to post an 8.5.