Real Dilemma

No, we're not going to do that.

Michigan didn't do anything honorable this cycle; they got greedy and shot themselves in the foot. And they deserved it.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

No, we're not going to do that.

You have no power to decree what anyone is going to do.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Michigan didn't do anything honorable this cycle; they got greedy and shot themselves in the foot. And they deserved it.

That is total BS.

Michigan only reacted to New Hampshire being allowed to ignore the rules.

Your mischaracterization of what happened doesn't strengthen your case for small states first. It weakens it.

Your apparent acceptance of a double standard that lets New Hampshire ignore the rules also weakens your case.

Is that why Michigan has tried the same nonsense twice before? Because of what New Hampshire did this cycle?

Bull. Michigan, like FL, wanted money. And that's it. Carl Levin wants money and influence. And that's it.

I don't have to decree anything; I am merely describing the system which currently exists, and isn't going to change.

And no amount of childish puling by you will make it change.

I'm not going to discuss this with you any longer, because you aren't interested in facts at all. Michigan has a history of trying to game the system for their advantage. Your descriptions of the system as 'corrupt' are immaterial.

I rest comfortably, knowing that the system is currently supporting my position and that it won't change any time soon to your position. If I were the DNC, I would make sure Michigan and FL didn't get to go first for a long, long time, after the crap they pulled this year.

Have fun voting for McCain.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I'm not going to discuss this with you any longer, because you aren't interested in facts at all. Michigan has a history of trying to game the system for their advantage. Your descriptions of the system as 'corrupt' are immaterial.

I rest comfortably, knowing that the system is currently supporting my position and that it won't change any time soon to your position. If I were the DNC, I would make sure Michigan and FL didn't get to go first for a long, long time, after the crap they pulled this year.

Have fun voting for McCain.

Cycloptichorn

Your hatred of democracy is duly noted.

Not just McCain -- straight ticket Republican.

oralloy wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I'm not going to discuss this with you any longer, because you aren't interested in facts at all. Michigan has a history of trying to game the system for their advantage. Your descriptions of the system as 'corrupt' are immaterial.

I rest comfortably, knowing that the system is currently supporting my position and that it won't change any time soon to your position. If I were the DNC, I would make sure Michigan and FL didn't get to go first for a long, long time, after the crap they pulled this year.

Have fun voting for McCain.

Cycloptichorn

Your hatred of democracy is duly noted.

Not just McCain -- straight ticket Republican.

Great; you can lose at several levels, and not just the top.

Do you think that your threat/promise to vote Republican matters to anyone? Anywhere? Nobody gives a damn how you vote.

Now's the part where you project your identity on to thousands or millions of others, and predict doom for the Democrats based upon that. Good luck with that one.

oralloy wrote:

Not just McCain -- straight ticket Republican.

Do you think that your threat/promise to vote Republican matters to anyone? Anywhere? Nobody gives a damn how you vote.

Now's the part where you project your identity on to thousands or millions of others, and predict doom for the Democrats based upon that. Good luck with that one.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

oralloy wrote:

Not just McCain -- straight ticket Republican.

Do you think that your threat/promise to vote Republican matters to anyone? Anywhere? Nobody gives a damn how you vote.

Now's the part where you project your identity on to thousands or millions of others, and predict doom for the Democrats based upon that. Good luck with that one.

oralloy doesn't need to do any projecting - it's what is being reported in any case

ehBeth wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

oralloy wrote:

Not just McCain -- straight ticket Republican.

Do you think that your threat/promise to vote Republican matters to anyone? Anywhere? Nobody gives a damn how you vote.

Now's the part where you project your identity on to thousands or millions of others, and predict doom for the Democrats based upon that. Good luck with that one.

oralloy doesn't need to do any projecting - it's what is being reported in any case

Um - I think what was being discussed here was alleged bitterness about the Michigan and Florida delegates issue, and whether this would make thousands or millions act like Oralloy.

Oralloy is saying he will henceforth vote straight ticket Republican because the DNC didnt seat the Michigan delegation in full. I dont think there's much evidence that there are a great many like him.

Given Oralloy's history of support for unfettered gun ownership, his history of uncritical support for Israeli government policy and a tendency to color his comments about the middle east with a conservative Israeli slant, and many other remarks he has made in these fora which suggest that he has been conservative all along--i doubt the sincerity of any claim on his part that these actions of the DNC rules committee have influenced his voting decision. I strongly suspect that he'd be voting straight Republican anyway, and has done so for years, no matter what he now protests.

Given Oralloy's history of support for unfettered gun ownership, his history of uncritical support for Israeli government policy and a tendency to color his comments about the middle east with a conservative Israeli slant, and many other remarks he has made in these fora which suggest that he has been conservative all along--i doubt the sincerity of any claim on his part that these actions of the DNC rules committee have influenced his voting decision. I strongly suspect that he'd be voting straight Republican anyway, and has done so for years, no matter what he now protests.

I have no idea why concern trolls think they are so slick, really

You're absolutely right. It's your behavior that does.

Cycloptichorn

How do you explain someone like me who has been a democrat for 52 years. Ill bet that there are more people, than you realize, who are tired of holding their nose when they vote for president. Im sick to death of voting for the ones the bigshots of the democratic party tell me I have to vote for. I no longer will a follower be. If the democrats want my vote they are going to have to convince me they are going to really change Washington. And chanting change, change, isn't going to do it.

rabel22 wrote:

How do you explain someone like me who has been a democrat for 52 years. Ill bet that there are more people, than you realize, who are tired of holding their nose when they vote for president. Im sick to death of voting for the ones the bigshots of the democratic party tell me I have to vote for. I no longer will a follower be. If the democrats want my vote they are going to have to convince me they are going to really change Washington. And chanting change, change, isn't going to do it.

I suppose you accept McCain as the change candidate then?