real life wrote:Yeah that's good Butrflynet.
He'll be on his best behavior and then everybody can just pretend he never said all those racist things that we can so clearly see he did say.
Who are you going to believe, Wright or your own eyes?
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could all just erase our mistakes, sins, slips of the tongue, misspeaks, gaffes, stupid moments etc. etc. etc. by going on the Bill Moyers show or Oprah or somebody and demonstrating the wise, warm, amazing people we all really are?
In 1961, after hearing President Kennedy's challenge to, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country," Jerimiah Wright gave up his student deferment, left college in Virginia and voluntarily joined the Marines. In 1963, this man, having completed his two years of service in the Marines, volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. (They provide medical assistance to the Marines as well as to Navy personnel.)
Jerimiah Wright holds a Doctor of Ministry Degree from United Theological Seminary, a Master's degree from Howard University, an additonal Master's degree from the University of Chicago Divinity School and seven honorary doctorate degrees.
His lifelong honors and accomplishments include:
1970-75 Rockefeller Fellowship The Fund for Theological Education
1965-66 3 Presidential Commendations from President Lyndon B. Johnson
1961 Alpha Kappa Mu Honor Society
1997 CD Recording, "The Artist" recorded by The Sanctuary Choir of Trinity UCC
1976 Author & Composer, "Jesus Is his Name", recorded by The Trinity Choral Ensemble, Trinity Label, Chicago, Illinois
1975 Author & Composer, "God Will Answer Prayer", recorded by The Trinity Choral Ensemble Trinity Label, Chicago, Illinois
Researcher for and Contributor to: Black Song: The Forge and the Flame, written by John Lovell.
Career Accomplishments
1972- Pastor present Trinity United Church of Christ Chicago, Illinois
1999 Professor Garrett Evangelical Theological Seminary
1998 Professor Chicago Theological Seminary
1994-96 professor and Mentor for Wright/ Asante/West Fellows, United Theological Seminary, Dayton, Ohio
1992-94 Professor and Mentor for Wright/Kunjufu Fellows, United Theological Seminary, Dayton, Ohio
1976-92 Adjunct professor, Seminary Consortium for Urban Pastoral Education
1975 Adjunct professor, Catholic Theological Union, Chicago, Illinois
1974-75 Adjunct Professor, 1996 Chicago Theological Seminary Chicago, Illinois
1974 Executive Director, Chicago Center for Black Religious Studies Chicago, Illinois
1972 Columnist, Independent Bulletin Chicago, Illinois
1971-72 Proposal Writer and Editor, Dropout Prevention program The Board of Education Chicago, Illinois
1964-67 Salutatorian Cardio pulmonary Technician National Naval Medical Center U.S. Naval Hospital, Bethesda, MD
1963 Valedictorian - Corpsman School Great Lakes Naval Training Center, Great Lakes Illinois Hospital
1961-63 U.S. Marine Corps, 2nd Marine Division
Organizations
2001- present Board of Trustees Virginia Union University
1999-00 Board of Trustees Chicago Theological Seminary
1986-89 Board of Directors Evangelical Health Systems
1983- Western Consistory #28
1983-85 National Ministry Advisory Council of Chicago Theological Seminary
1981-90 Board of Directors TransAfrica
1976- present Doric Lodge #77 F. & A.M.
1976 Great Lakes Task Force on Churches in Transitional Communities Educational Outreach Program, Chicago Theological Seminary
1976-81 Commission for Racial Justice United Church of Christ
1976-79 Board of Directors Office for Church in Society United Church of Christ Interdenominational Ministerial Alliance, Chicago, Illinois
1975-95 Board of Directors Black Theology Project (Theology in the Americas)
1975-85 Board of Directors Center for New Horizons
1975-76 Communications Committee Church Federation of Greater Chicago
1975-76 Ecumenical Strategy Committee Illinois Conference, United Church of Christ
Presidents Council of Church Associates Chicago Theological Seminary
1975-76 Urban Ministers Task Force Chicago Metropolitan Association United Church of Christ
1974-79 Board of Directors Malcolm X School of Nursing
1974-76 Board of Services Chicago Metropolitan Association, United Church of Christ
ESAA/Urban League Ministerial Alliance
1973-74 Resolution Committee Chicago Metropolitan Association Illinois Conference United Church of Christ
1972 - present Ministers for Racial & Social Justice United Church of Christ United Black Christians United Church of Christ
1972-76 Illinois Conference of Churches
1969-74 Black Caucus Divinity School Students University of Chicago
1960 - present Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Inc.
Lectures
Following is a list of Lectures written and delivered by Reverend Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr.
The Archdiocese of Chicago, "The Black Religious Tradition and Urban Spirituality"
Duke Divinity School, "Gardner Taylor Lecture Series," October 1986
Eastern Baptist Seminary, "Christianity and Afrocentricity"
Emory University, Candler School of Theology, Preacher (1985, 1986, 1990)
Fuller Theological Seminary, "Christianity and Afrocentricity "
Hampton University Ministers Conference, Preacher (1986, 1987)
Howard University, Annual Preacher (1986- 2002)
Howard University School of Divinity, "Unashamedly Black, Unapologetically Christian; The African American Christian Male Role Model," (1989)
Lutheran Theological Seminary, Philadelphia, PA, Preacher (1987, 1993,1997)
McCormick Theological Seminary, "Martin Luther King Memorial" Lectures
Princeton Seminary, Preacher (1988, 1997)
The Urban Congress of the Seminary Consortium, "Spiritual Roots for Survival & Liberation Study of the Black Religious Tradition in the Perspective of an Urban Setting"
Yale Divinity School, Preacher (1986)
Riverside Church, New York, Fosdick Convocation on Preaching and Worship, "Preaching: The Art of Connecting People with God" (1997)
National Council of Churches, San Jose Costa Rica, Lecturer, "The Incarnation of Faith in African American Culture: The Struggle for Minority Rights in The North" (1997)
Festival of Homiletics, 4th Presbyterian Church, Chicago, Illinois, "Preaching in the Growing Church" (1997)
Publications
Following is a list of Publications by Reverend Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr.
What Makes You So Strong? Sermons of Joy and Strength, edited by Jini Kilgore Roiss, Juson Press, Valley Forge, PA, 1993
Africans Who Shaped Our Faith: A study of10 Biblical Personalities, edited by Dr Colleen Birchett, Urban Ministries, Chicago, Illinois 1995,
Good News! Sermons of Hope for Today's Families, edited by Jini Kilgore Ross, Juson , Press, Valley Forge, PA 1995
When Black Men Stand Up For God: Reflections On The Million Man March, African American Images, Chicago, 1996
"Black Church Renewal," Signs of the Kingdom in the Secular City, Compiled by David Frenchak and Clinton E Stockwell edited by Helen Ujvarosy, Chicago Covenant Press, 1984
"Music as Cultural Expression in Black Church Theology Worship," The Journal of Black Sacred Music Volume 3, Number 1, Spring, 1987
"Dealing With Life's Extremities," The Message for the 90's Educational , Ministries, Inc., 1989
"In Need of a Miracle: From Proclamation To Practice: A Unique African American Approach To Stewardship, edited by Clifford a Jones, Sr." Judson Press, Valley Forge, PA 1993
"Reflections on The UCC Book of Worship," The Book of Worship of The United Church of Christ, Office of the Church Life and Leadership, New York, 1989
Introduction to How to Help Hurting People Edited by Dr. Colleen Birchett, Urban Ministries, Chicago, 1990
" A Black Congregation In A White Church," Good News In Growing Churches, edited by Robert L Burt, The Pilgrim Press, NY, 1990, pp 37-63
"Surprise Party" Women; To Preach Or Not To Preach edited by Rhinold Ponder & Michele Tuck-Ponder, Crown Publishers Inc., New York, NY, 1997
Preface to Falling In Love with God: Reflection on Prayer Dr J Alfred Smith Sr." Urban Ministries, Chicago, Illinois 1997
"No Other Help I Know," Sermons on Prayer and Spirituality, edited by Dr Alfred Smith, SL, Judson Press, Valley Forge, PA 1997
"Taming A Wild Woman, Jesus Made the Difference" Women's Liberation, Jesus Style: Messages of Spirituality and Wisdom for Today's Woman, edited by Stephanie Bibb/Ruach Communications, Inc" 1998
Articles in Men Of Color Study Bible Nia Publishing, 2001
"Faith In A Foreign Land," Keeping The Faith, Jim Haskin, Welcome Rain, 2001
Foxfyre wrote:real life wrote:Yeah that's good Butrflynet.
He'll be on his best behavior and then everybody can just pretend he never said all those racist things that we can so clearly see he did say.
Who are you going to believe, Wright or your own eyes?
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could all just erase our mistakes, sins, slips of the tongue, misspeaks, gaffes, stupid moments etc. etc. etc. by going on the Bill Moyers show or Oprah or somebody and demonstrating the wise, warm, amazing people we all really are?
Quote:In 1961, after hearing President Kennedy's challenge to, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country," Jerimiah Wright gave up his student deferment, left college in Virginia and voluntarily joined the Marines. In 1963, this man, having completed his two years of service in the Marines, volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. (They provide medical assistance to the Marines as well as to Navy personnel.)
Is that the "mistake" you refer to that you wish to erase?
Quote:Jerimiah Wright holds a Doctor of Ministry Degree from United Theological Seminary, a Master's degree from Howard University, an additonal Master's degree from the University of Chicago Divinity School and seven honorary doctorate degrees.
Are those the "sins" you wish he'd erase?
Quote:His lifelong honors and accomplishments include:
1970-75 Rockefeller Fellowship The Fund for Theological Education
1965-66 3 Presidential Commendations from President Lyndon B. Johnson
1961 Alpha Kappa Mu Honor Society
1997 CD Recording, "The Artist" recorded by The Sanctuary Choir of Trinity UCC
1976 Author & Composer, "Jesus Is his Name", recorded by The Trinity Choral Ensemble, Trinity Label, Chicago, Illinois
1975 Author & Composer, "God Will Answer Prayer", recorded by The Trinity Choral Ensemble Trinity Label, Chicago, Illinois
Researcher for and Contributor to: Black Song: The Forge and the Flame, written by John Lovell.
Career Accomplishments
1972- Pastor present Trinity United Church of Christ Chicago, Illinois
1999 Professor Garrett Evangelical Theological Seminary
1998 Professor Chicago Theological Seminary
1994-96 professor and Mentor for Wright/ Asante/West Fellows, United Theological Seminary, Dayton, Ohio
1992-94 Professor and Mentor for Wright/Kunjufu Fellows, United Theological Seminary, Dayton, Ohio
1976-92 Adjunct professor, Seminary Consortium for Urban Pastoral Education
1975 Adjunct professor, Catholic Theological Union, Chicago, Illinois
1974-75 Adjunct Professor, 1996 Chicago Theological Seminary Chicago, Illinois
1974 Executive Director, Chicago Center for Black Religious Studies Chicago, Illinois
1972 Columnist, Independent Bulletin Chicago, Illinois
1971-72 Proposal Writer and Editor, Dropout Prevention program The Board of Education Chicago, Illinois
1964-67 Salutatorian Cardio pulmonary Technician National Naval Medical Center U.S. Naval Hospital, Bethesda, MD
1963 Valedictorian - Corpsman School Great Lakes Naval Training Center, Great Lakes Illinois Hospital
1961-63 U.S. Marine Corps, 2nd Marine Division
Please let us know which of those you consider a candidate for a "stupid moment" to be erased.
Quote:Organizations
2001- present Board of Trustees Virginia Union University
1999-00 Board of Trustees Chicago Theological Seminary
1986-89 Board of Directors Evangelical Health Systems
1983- Western Consistory #28
1983-85 National Ministry Advisory Council of Chicago Theological Seminary
1981-90 Board of Directors TransAfrica
1976- present Doric Lodge #77 F. & A.M.
1976 Great Lakes Task Force on Churches in Transitional Communities Educational Outreach Program, Chicago Theological Seminary
1976-81 Commission for Racial Justice United Church of Christ
1976-79 Board of Directors Office for Church in Society United Church of Christ Interdenominational Ministerial Alliance, Chicago, Illinois
1975-95 Board of Directors Black Theology Project (Theology in the Americas)
1975-85 Board of Directors Center for New Horizons
1975-76 Communications Committee Church Federation of Greater Chicago
1975-76 Ecumenical Strategy Committee Illinois Conference, United Church of Christ
Presidents Council of Church Associates Chicago Theological Seminary
1975-76 Urban Ministers Task Force Chicago Metropolitan Association United Church of Christ
1974-79 Board of Directors Malcolm X School of Nursing
1974-76 Board of Services Chicago Metropolitan Association, United Church of Christ
ESAA/Urban League Ministerial Alliance
1973-74 Resolution Committee Chicago Metropolitan Association Illinois Conference United Church of Christ
1972 - present Ministers for Racial & Social Justice United Church of Christ United Black Christians United Church of Christ
1972-76 Illinois Conference of Churches
1969-74 Black Caucus Divinity School Students University of Chicago
1960 - present Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Inc.
Hey, there's a mistake in that list somewhere, I'm sure of it!
Quote:Lectures
Following is a list of Lectures written and delivered by Reverend Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr.
The Archdiocese of Chicago, "The Black Religious Tradition and Urban Spirituality"
Duke Divinity School, "Gardner Taylor Lecture Series," October 1986
Eastern Baptist Seminary, "Christianity and Afrocentricity"
Emory University, Candler School of Theology, Preacher (1985, 1986, 1990)
Fuller Theological Seminary, "Christianity and Afrocentricity "
Hampton University Ministers Conference, Preacher (1986, 1987)
Howard University, Annual Preacher (1986- 2002)
Howard University School of Divinity, "Unashamedly Black, Unapologetically Christian; The African American Christian Male Role Model," (1989)
Lutheran Theological Seminary, Philadelphia, PA, Preacher (1987, 1993,1997)
McCormick Theological Seminary, "Martin Luther King Memorial" Lectures
Princeton Seminary, Preacher (1988, 1997)
The Urban Congress of the Seminary Consortium, "Spiritual Roots for Survival & Liberation Study of the Black Religious Tradition in the Perspective of an Urban Setting"
Yale Divinity School, Preacher (1986)
Riverside Church, New York, Fosdick Convocation on Preaching and Worship, "Preaching: The Art of Connecting People with God" (1997)
National Council of Churches, San Jose Costa Rica, Lecturer, "The Incarnation of Faith in African American Culture: The Struggle for Minority Rights in The North" (1997)
Festival of Homiletics, 4th Presbyterian Church, Chicago, Illinois, "Preaching in the Growing Church" (1997)
Publications
Following is a list of Publications by Reverend Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr.
What Makes You So Strong? Sermons of Joy and Strength, edited by Jini Kilgore Roiss, Juson Press, Valley Forge, PA, 1993
Africans Who Shaped Our Faith: A study of10 Biblical Personalities, edited by Dr Colleen Birchett, Urban Ministries, Chicago, Illinois 1995,
Good News! Sermons of Hope for Today's Families, edited by Jini Kilgore Ross, Juson , Press, Valley Forge, PA 1995
When Black Men Stand Up For God: Reflections On The Million Man March, African American Images, Chicago, 1996
"Black Church Renewal," Signs of the Kingdom in the Secular City, Compiled by David Frenchak and Clinton E Stockwell edited by Helen Ujvarosy, Chicago Covenant Press, 1984
"Music as Cultural Expression in Black Church Theology Worship," The Journal of Black Sacred Music Volume 3, Number 1, Spring, 1987
"Dealing With Life's Extremities," The Message for the 90's Educational , Ministries, Inc., 1989
"In Need of a Miracle: From Proclamation To Practice: A Unique African American Approach To Stewardship, edited by Clifford a Jones, Sr." Judson Press, Valley Forge, PA 1993
"Reflections on The UCC Book of Worship," The Book of Worship of The United Church of Christ, Office of the Church Life and Leadership, New York, 1989
Introduction to How to Help Hurting People Edited by Dr. Colleen Birchett, Urban Ministries, Chicago, 1990
" A Black Congregation In A White Church," Good News In Growing Churches, edited by Robert L Burt, The Pilgrim Press, NY, 1990, pp 37-63
"Surprise Party" Women; To Preach Or Not To Preach edited by Rhinold Ponder & Michele Tuck-Ponder, Crown Publishers Inc., New York, NY, 1997
Preface to Falling In Love with God: Reflection on Prayer Dr J Alfred Smith Sr." Urban Ministries, Chicago, Illinois 1997
"No Other Help I Know," Sermons on Prayer and Spirituality, edited by Dr Alfred Smith, SL, Judson Press, Valley Forge, PA 1997
"Taming A Wild Woman, Jesus Made the Difference" Women's Liberation, Jesus Style: Messages of Spirituality and Wisdom for Today's Woman, edited by Stephanie Bibb/Ruach Communications, Inc" 1998
Articles in Men Of Color Study Bible Nia Publishing, 2001
"Faith In A Foreign Land," Keeping The Faith, Jim Haskin, Welcome Rain, 2001
Which of these lectures and publications of his should we pretend never existed?
And if that isn't a big enough list of sins, mistakes, and gaffs, the man is married, has four daughters, one son and three grandchildren!
The man should be damned ashamed of himself for living such an empty, meaningless life!
"...I overcame chaos in Germany, restored order, enormously raised production in all fields of our national economy...I succeeded in completely resettling in useful production those 7 million unemployed who so touched our hearts...I have not only politically united the German nation but also rearmed it militarily, and I have further tried to liquidate that Treaty sheet by sheet whose 448 Articles contain the vilest rape that nations and human beings have ever been expected to submit to. I have restored to the Reich the provinces grabbed from us in 1919; I have led millions of deeply unhappy Germans, who have been snatched away from us, back into the Fatherland; I have restored the thousand year old historical unity of German living space; and I have attempted to accomplish all that without shedding blood and without inflicting the sufferings of war on my people or any other. I have accomplished all this, as one who 21 years ago still an unknown worker and soldier of my people, by my own efforts..."
Thank you Rox. Getting one of your typical remarks is as good as the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval. I must have done extra good. Thank you for your support.
However, since Butrfly went to so much time and trouble to insert other thoughts into the discussion, and at the risk of being accused of evoking Godwin's Law, here is how Adolph Hitler described his own accomplishments:...
Foxfyre wrote:However, since Butrfly went to so much time and trouble to insert other thoughts into the discussion, and at the risk of being accused of evoking Godwin's Law, here is how Adolph Hitler described his own accomplishments:...
They aren't "other thoughts," Foxfyre. They are part of the picture drawn from the life of Jerimiah Wright and gives insight to the question that titles this thread.
You have at least one problem with your attempt at terrorizing people with the name Hitler. Wright isn't describing his own accomplishments, he rarely does.
Foxfyre wrote:However, since Butrfly went to so much time and trouble to insert other thoughts into the discussion, and at the risk of being accused of evoking Godwin's Law, here is how Adolph Hitler described his own accomplishments:...
They aren't "other thoughts," Foxfyre. They are part of the picture drawn from the life of Jerimiah Wright and gives insight to the question that titles this thread.
You have at least one problem with your attempt at terrorizing people with the name Hitler. Wright isn't describing his own accomplishments, he rarely does.
Butrflynet wrote:Foxfyre wrote:However, since Butrfly went to so much time and trouble to insert other thoughts into the discussion, and at the risk of being accused of evoking Godwin's Law, here is how Adolph Hitler described his own accomplishments:...
They aren't "other thoughts," Foxfyre. They are part of the picture drawn from the life of Jerimiah Wright and gives insight to the question that titles this thread.
You have at least one problem with your attempt at terrorizing people with the name Hitler. Wright isn't describing his own accomplishments, he rarely does.
I didn't attempt to terrorize anybody and for anybody not completely tunnel visioned or blinded to anything but their own ideological prejudiche or she would have seen that as an illustration for my remarks and not as a comparison to Jeremiah Wright. I even included an implied disclaimer related to Godwin's Law that you conveniently ignored.
You may believe that Jeremiah Wright is a figure larger than life and a terrific role model for Barack Obama and his children and above reproach. I, in a denomination closely associated with his, consider him to be an embarrassment, a terrible role model for children and/or people of color, and not somebody that anybody should aspire to admire or emulate. That takes nothing away from his accomplishments or credentials or whatever virtues he possesses that may be considerable. I believe he is harming people and I do not think that his possible influence on Barack Obama's perspectives, thinking, or perceptions should be ignored.
So sue me.
(I will accept that you don't have any 'thoughts' on the matter, however, since you say so, and will assume you were just parroting the standard Democratic damage control mantra.)
I very well may be Revel. But I don't look to the polls to see what my opinion about anything should be either. Nor do I think that issue will be as irrelevent as many of you seem to really REALLY want it to be when it would be a HUGE deal if you could pin it on John McCain.
I very well may be Revel. But I don't look to the polls to see what my opinion about anything should be either. Nor do I think that issue will be as irrelevent as many of you seem to really REALLY want it to be when it would be a HUGE deal if you could pin it on John McCain.
Foxfyre wrote:I very well may be Revel. But I don't look to the polls to see what my opinion about anything should be either. Nor do I think that issue will be as irrelevent as many of you seem to really REALLY want it to be when it would be a HUGE deal if you could pin it on John McCain.
More denial and delusion. Amazing but sad.
