Obama Embraces a Bigot and a Fanatic, the Rev. Wright

Hi Okie,

Our posts just crossed; I was still answering to one of your older posts.

At the risk of it seeming like I'm barraging you, I want to answer this new one of you too. And I have more questions - I hope you dont mind.

okie wrote:

As far as words, there are many but start with "change," which means nothing without context, but has been used by Jeremiah Wright as part of the BLT, so there is the possible context. The word is a favorite of Marxists, and inasmuch as Black Liberation Theology is tied to Marxism, it does raise my curiosity. You as well as the flaming libs here will dismiss all of this of course, but it definitely needs to be looked into further. Wright seems to have had an affection for folks like Castro and other communist dictator types. Connect the dots.

OK. So you said before that you had found interesting expressions in Obama's words that, when you analyzed them, showed you things that are more than troubling. We asked what specifically you were talking about.

One of the things you were talking about was the fact that Obama uses the word "change" a lot?

Can you give another example?

Specifically, you suggest that the fact that Obama talks a lot about "change" might signal that he in fact identifies with black liberation technology and Marxism. And that "connecting the dots" from there even leads us to Castro and other dictators. That correct? (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

OK, but now my curiosity is piqued. What I'm most curious about, in this context, is what you personally believe of this.

Do you believe, yourself, that Obama is a closet Marxist? Or even a closet supporter of communist dictators?

If you're not sure what to believe, what % chance would you say there is of Obama indeed being a Marxist? (Like, 90%, 50%, 10%?) And what % chance would you say there is of Obama being a supporter of Castro and his ilk?

I mean, it's easy to float all kinds of possibilities. But what I'd like to know is what you believe. If you'd be forced to answer, would you say, no idea whatsoever whether Obama is secretly a Castro supporter or not? Or leaning to, yes, he probably is; or no, probably he isnt?

I know people will get on your back whatever you answer.. so thank you in advance for answering anyway, in spite of all that.

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nimh wrote:

Hi Okie,

Our posts just crossed; I was still answering to one of your older posts.

At the risk of it seeming like I'm barraging you, I want to answer this new one of you too. And I have more questions - I hope you dont mind.

No problem and thanks for the polite discussion.

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okie wrote:
As far as words, there are many but start with "change," which means nothing without context, but has been used by Jeremiah Wright as part of the BLT, so there is the possible context. The word is a favorite of Marxists, and inasmuch as Black Liberation Theology is tied to Marxism, it does raise my curiosity. You as well as the flaming libs here will dismiss all of this of course, but it definitely needs to be looked into further. Wright seems to have had an affection for folks like Castro and other communist dictator types. Connect the dots.

OK. So you said before that you had found interesting expressions in Obama's words that, when you analyzed them, showed you things that are more than troubling. We asked what specifically you were talking about.

One of the things you were talking about was the fact that Obama uses the word "change" a lot?

Can you give another example?

Specifically, you suggest that the fact that Obama talks a lot about "change" might signal that he in fact identifies with black liberation technology and Marxism. And that "connecting the dots" from there even leads us to Castro and other dictators. That correct? (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

OK, but now my curiosity is piqued. What I'm most curious about, in this context, is what you personally believe of this.

Do you believe, yourself, that Obama is a closet Marxist? Or even a closet supporter of communist dictators?

If you're not sure what to believe, what % chance would you say there is of Obama indeed being a Marxist? (Like, 90%, 50%, 10%?) And what % chance would you say there is of Obama being a supporter of Castro and his ilk?

I mean, it's easy to float all kinds of possibilities. But what I'd like to know is what you believe. If you'd be forced to answer, would you say, no idea whatsoever whether Obama is secretly a Castro supporter or not? Or leaning to, yes, he probably is; or no, probably he isnt?

I know people will get on your back whatever you answer.. so thank you in advance for answering anyway, in spite of all that.

I will need to review the speeches to come up with more specific words and phrases, because I don't recall the specifics right now. Basically this whole "change" business has bugged me for a long time, looking for the specifics of what he really means. To address the general question about marxism, it is my current opinion that the reverend Wright may have Marxist leanings, but I don't think Obama is a Marxist, however, I do think he has borrowed some of the ideas and expressions of the philosophy, such as the helpless poor, the "working class," being taken advantage of by the rich. Inasmuch as Marxism and communism have been failures, I think the people that have sympathies for Marxist idealogy are always looking for new ways to view themselves and new twists to the idealogy, sort of a redesign of it, or a re-formulating of it, so that although it never worked before - maybe we can get it right the next time. Alot of the people that believe it have axes to grind, they harbor anger, and this is the bothersome thing about Wright, he is a very angry person, and his teachings reflect it. Inasmuch as Obama has aligned himself with him and inasmuch as Obama has experienced a very split or mixed type of upbringing, I am concerned that he too may harbor a confusion or leanings to that end of the idealogical spectrum. We already know he is very very liberal, but if he is further left still, we know he would not admit it. I honestly don't know, but I am simply not comfortable with him. And I have not been comfortable with the celebrity aspect of his campaign, in place of real discussion of issues. I still like him far better than Clinton, but it is his politics and what we have yet to learn about him. We have already learned enough about the Clintons to know they are total rejects.

Thanks for listening. I will get back to you on more words and phrases.

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okie, geez why would a guy running for President not use the word change since a vast majority of Americans are calling for change. Something completely different than Bushie is what America wants. Since McCain is gonna embrace Bushie's war and stay the course I think he'll be soundly rejected by the people in November. President Obama has a nice ring to it. "Post/ABC poll shows electorate leaning in Dems' direction"
Posted November 4th, 2007 at 10:50 am

Following up on yesterday's item about the latest Newsweek poll, new data from the Washington Post/ABC News poll is also worth considering. Apparently, Americans aren't terribly pleased with the status quo.

One year out from the 2008 election, Americans are deeply pessimistic and eager for a change in direction from the agenda and priorities of President Bush, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Concern about the economy, the war in Iraq and growing dissatisfaction with the political environment in Washington all contribute to the lowest public assessment of the direction of the country in more than a decade. Just 24 percent think the nation is on the right track, and three-quarters said they want the next president to chart a course that is different than that pursued by Bush.

Overwhelmingly, Democrats want a new direction, but so do three-quarters of independents and even half of Republicans. Sixty percent of all Americans said they feel strongly that such a change is needed after two terms of the Bush presidency.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/13472.html

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I just played Obama's race speech backwards and it says "kill the white people" followed by the lyrics to Nina Simone's Pirate Jenny.

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FreeDuck wrote:

I just played Obama's race speech backwards and it says "kill the white people" followed by the lyrics to Nina Simone's Pirate Jenny.

How odd, I only hear "Don't step on the grass Sam."

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Hmmm, maybe you have the edited version.

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nimh wrote:

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One of the things you were talking about was the fact that Obama uses the word "change" a lot?

Can you give another example?

Specifically, you suggest that the fact that Obama talks a lot about "change" might signal that he in fact identifies with black liberation technology and Marxism. ...

Back here, nimh, with your requests. I will preface this by pointing out that without the Wright business and the BLT, there would be no red flags beyond the usual liberal speak that you expect.

To supplement the earlier post, the "change" business is a red flag. He often uses the term injustice, also corporate greed, lifting up the poor, etc. A perusal of his race speech turned up things like "your dreams do not have to come at the expense of my dreams, people don't have power of their own ....., the few over the many, the next generation of young people whose attitudes and beliefs and openess to change, fight against injustice, etc." Again, none of this is particularly bothersome if we did not have the backdrop of the Black Liberation Theology, and it would merely be political speak, especially for liberals that love to talk about class envy, corporate greed, and the like on a regular basis.

In the race speech, he said alot of reasonable things, but when it is all said and done, he defended Wright and the hatred as being nothing more than too much exuberance from a basically good man. Which is total hogwash in my opinion, and after I read his speech again from beginning to end, I get the feeling he is being much less than candid.

I come back to the word, change, which is central to his mantra. I don't particularly think we need to change the country, the constitution, or the laws all that much, but we do need to enforce the laws, get off our behinds, change ourselves, live responsibly, and most importantly quit whinin and complainin 24/7, which would include Obama, his pastor, and his religion.

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hawkeye10 wrote:

okie wrote:
The speech was nice according to some, but it did nothing really except ride the fence. The other possibility is he only aligned with Wright for votes, but that is no better, and really how do you know?

According to some it was the best political speech in a generation. I think that you take Obama at his word that wright and him share a spiritual connection, it is not about politics.

Obama's speech rejecting Wright's racist sermons was terrific.

It was just 19 years and 11 months too late, that's all.

And it wasn't followed by any action, such as resigning his membership in the racist organization.

But , a great speech, yeah................

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Here's a little something for Real Life to ponder.

John 8:3-11

The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

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And this isn't just about some angry words she said, like that idiot pastor. She actually broke a COMMANDMENT!

So I guess if you were around back then, I assume you would do the same as you have done here, which is angrily condemn him for not denouncing her and her actions to your satisfaction, and try to convince as many people as you could that he is a terrible person with lousy judgment and possibly adulterer-friendly ideas. And then of course, as was the custom of the day, you'd probably call for his crucifixion.

Which is cool, because now even if Obama does get knocked out of the race because of people like you, I'll take comfort in the fact that I'll be seeing you all at my beach house on the lake of fire.

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FreeDuck wrote:

Hmmm, maybe you have the edited version.

funny, I played it and it said "just another slimy scumball politician"

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kickycan wrote:

Here's a little something for Real Life to ponder.

John 8:3-11

The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

And this isn't just about some angry words she said, like that idiot pastor. She actually broke a COMMANDMENT!

So I guess if you were around back then, I assume you would do the same as you have done here, which is angrily condemn him for not denouncing her and her actions to your satisfaction, and try to convince as many people as you could that he is a terrible person with lousy judgment and possibly adulterer-friendly ideas. And then of course, as was the custom of the day, you'd probably call for his crucifixion.

Which is cool, because now even if Obama does get knocked out of the race because of people like you, I'll take comfort in the fact that I'll be seeing you all at my beach house on the lake of fire.

Now this, is a 100% perfect post, Kicky. Bravo.

Cycloptichorn

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kickycan wrote:

Here's a little something for Real Life to ponder.

John 8:3-11

The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

And this isn't just about some angry words she said, like that idiot pastor. She actually broke a COMMANDMENT!

So I guess if you were around back then, I assume you would do the same as you have done here, which is angrily condemn him for not denouncing her and her actions to your satisfaction, and try to convince as many people as you could that he is a terrible person with lousy judgment and possibly adulterer-friendly ideas. And then of course, as was the custom of the day, you'd probably call for his crucifixion.

Which is cool, because now even if Obama does get knocked out of the race because of people like you, I'll take comfort in the fact that I'll be seeing you all at my beach house on the lake of fire.

If you're comparing Obama to Jesus , which certainly wouldn't surprise me, you'll also note that Jesus directed her to stop her sinning ways. Obama did not do the same. You'll notice that Jesus did not personally defend the adulteress, who is obviously reverend wright in your analogy. Obama did defend Reverend Wright.

Your comparison ain't making it although your point is taken.

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

kickycan wrote:
Here's a little something for Real Life to ponder.

John 8:3-11

The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

And this isn't just about some angry words she said, like that idiot pastor. She actually broke a COMMANDMENT!

So I guess if you were around back then, I assume you would do the same as you have done here, which is angrily condemn him for not denouncing her and her actions to your satisfaction, and try to convince as many people as you could that he is a terrible person with lousy judgment and possibly adulterer-friendly ideas. And then of course, as was the custom of the day, you'd probably call for his crucifixion.

Which is cool, because now even if Obama does get knocked out of the race because of people like you, I'll take comfort in the fact that I'll be seeing you all at my beach house on the lake of fire.

If you're comparing Obama to Jesus , which certainly wouldn't surprise me, you'll also note that Jesus directed her to stop her sinning ways. Obama did not do the same. You'll notice that Jesus did not personally defend the adulteress, who is obviously reverend wright in your analogy. Obama did defend Reverend Wright.

Your comparison ain't making it although your point is taken.

Do you know that Obama didn't talk to Wright about the various statements that he's made? That knowledge of yours would directly contradict Obama's own statements on the subject.

I thought that all Christians were supposed to emulate Jesus' actions; is it wrong when one of them does so?

Cycloptichorn

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I could make a remark like it's self evident and avoid the issue I suppose... but Obama did not emulate Jesus... when confronted by the Pharisees he repudiated them... but he did not defend her...did not make a list of the good and wonderful things she had done and insinuate they cancelled out her adultery....

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

If you're comparing Obama to Jesus , which certainly wouldn't surprise me...

Now why would you say something like that? Have you seen me on here gushing over the guy like he's the second coming of the lord? I don't think so. What the hell is that about?

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sorry kick I was directing that remark in general to the obama zealots who occupy this site... not you... I know that's not you...

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It's okay, I prayed over it last night at my homemade Barack Obama personal shrine and he has blessed me with understanding and enlightenment. I bear you no ill will.

Now back to my chanting.

Oooooooooooobama....Oooooooooobama.....Ooooooooooobama...

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When the Lord condemned the worship of false idols, he specifically cited examples such as "talkething to neighbors about the political issues held by contendors for the throne," "makething a twenty-dollar donation to his campaign, " and "votething" (or "participating in a Deomcracy").

Shame on you, Obama supporters.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

kickycan wrote:
Here's a little something for Real Life to ponder.

John 8:3-11

The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

And this isn't just about some angry words she said, like that idiot pastor. She actually broke a COMMANDMENT!

So I guess if you were around back then, I assume you would do the same as you have done here, which is angrily condemn him for not denouncing her and her actions to your satisfaction, and try to convince as many people as you could that he is a terrible person with lousy judgment and possibly adulterer-friendly ideas. And then of course, as was the custom of the day, you'd probably call for his crucifixion.

Which is cool, because now even if Obama does get knocked out of the race because of people like you, I'll take comfort in the fact that I'll be seeing you all at my beach house on the lake of fire.

Now this, is a 100% perfect post, Kicky. Bravo.

Cycloptichorn

Lessons to be learned here, cyclops, is that comparing Wright to Jesus, Wright is about as far from Christianity as you can get, by virtue of spewing hatred over unforgiven past greviences, secondly if you want to compare the woman to Wright, he hasn't stopped the adultery (the hatred and vitriole), and thirdly, that was not a presidential election being held there, in fact Jesus was never interested in politics as far as I know.

So although the post was an interesting analogy, it does not support your undying devotion to Obama, in fact it does just the opposite.

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okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
kickycan wrote:
Here's a little something for Real Life to ponder.

John 8:3-11

The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

And this isn't just about some angry words she said, like that idiot pastor. She actually broke a COMMANDMENT!

So I guess if you were around back then, I assume you would do the same as you have done here, which is angrily condemn him for not denouncing her and her actions to your satisfaction, and try to convince as many people as you could that he is a terrible person with lousy judgment and possibly adulterer-friendly ideas. And then of course, as was the custom of the day, you'd probably call for his crucifixion.

Which is cool, because now even if Obama does get knocked out of the race because of people like you, I'll take comfort in the fact that I'll be seeing you all at my beach house on the lake of fire.

Now this, is a 100% perfect post, Kicky. Bravo.

Cycloptichorn

Lessons to be learned here, cyclops, is that comparing Wright to Jesus, Wright is about as far from Christianity as you can get, by virtue of spewing hatred over unforgiven past greviences, secondly if you want to compare the woman to Wright, he hasn't stopped the adultery (the hatred and vitriole), and thirdly, that was not a presidential election being held there, in fact Jesus was never interested in politics as far as I know.

So although the post was an interesting analogy, it does not support your undying devotion to Obama, in fact it does just the opposite.

He was comparing Wirght to the adulteress, not to Jesus. You completely missed the analogy.

Please pay closer attention.

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