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What will you like most about the McCain Presidency?

 
 
Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Sat 29 Mar, 2008 09:55 am



C&L creator, John Amato, appeared on MSNBC Friday to talk about GOP presidential candidate, John McCain's new ad, and the free pass he's received from the mainstream media during the primary season. We've covered the media's love affair with the aging Arizona Senator, and as John points out, all he has to run on is his war record and the media has been all too happy to help him out:

"Well, of course the only thing that John McCain can run on is that he's the military man and the media helps him out. I mean, he has this gaffe, he doesn't know who's in Iran, are they Iraqi, a Shiite, or an extremist and the media lets him off the hook so he doesn't need these commercials because the media's helping him out already."

Amato also brings up the escalating violence in Basra and Baghdad, which shows how the crumbling surge could hurt John McCain, but he was cut off by MSNBC host Mark Mullen- who seemed more interested in talking about Al Gore jumping in the Democratic primary race ?- which proves John's point, as Mullen gives McCain a free pass on the one issue he's staking his entire candidacy on.
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Gargamel
 
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Reply Sat 29 Mar, 2008 11:51 am
So, has Flomax endorsed McCain yet?

FYI: your going problem may be a growing problem.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2008 09:53 am
McCain, Ignorant on the Issues


John McCain, Ignorant About The Issues (This Time on AIDS And Condoms)
by DemFromCT
Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 07:49:50 AM PDT

Oh, that John McCain. Adorable and straight shooting. A war hero, too, and that's for real. But so is his noteworthy ignorance on issues of war and peace (it's kinda important to know the difference between Shi'a and Sunni in Iraq when you're supposed to be a foreign policy "expert".) The idea that it's okay because many Americans don't know the difference, as suggested by the adoring McCain press defenders, is scary because we know that'll be the attitude when we get into questions about science.

Science? Start with an appearance by McCain at a Discovery Institute sponsored lunch last year for a speech:

Friday at noon in Seattle, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., will speak at a luncheon event being co-presented by the Discovery Institute -- the controversial organization that promotes intelligent design theory and combats Darwinism.

As usual, the adoring press finds excuses for McCain:

McCain is beng hammered by a liberal group for associating with the Discovery Institute, although the luncheon is being formally hosted by the CityClub of Seattle and the Seattle World Affairs Council, with the Discovery Institute is one of nine organizations "co-presenting" the event...

McCain's campaign pooh-poohs the controversy.

"He's addressing the Seattle World Affairs Council and CityClub of Seattle and there are a number of co-presenters as well, of which the Discovery Institute is one," says McCain exploratory committee spokesman Brian Jones.

The Discovery Institute is as loathsome to science as an appearance at an anti-Catholic fundie school like Bob Jones would be to those of faith, or anti-Catholic bigot John Hagee (let's talk about his sermons, fair and balanced press):

Our double standard: Barack Obama takes a hit for wacko comments by his minister. And the GOP prince? McCain said he was "very honored" by the support of the Rev. John Hagee, who takes a back pulpit to no one in the divisive-speech department. Hagee slams feminists, gays and the Catholic Church (he calls it "the great whore"). Like Obama, McCain says he disagrees with the pastor's comments. Unlike Obama, McCain is forgiven.
- Linda Valdez, editorial writer

But McCain hasn't stopped there. So far, two weeks in a row, he has put his foot in his mouth on science and medicine issues that, btw, are laced with politics and controversy. Last week it was over vaccines and autism:

McCain said, per ABC News' Bret Hovell, that "It's indisputable that (autism) is on the rise amongst children, the question is what's causing it. And we go back and forth and there's strong evidence that indicates that it's got to do with a preservative in vaccines."

McCain said there's "divided scientific opinion" on the matter, with "many on the other side that are credible scientists that are saying that's not the cause of it."

Actually, there's overwhelming evidence that there's no scientific link between vaccines and autism and there's no "divided scientific opinion". Another pass from the press, because isn't McCain just adorable, and, like, science is, you know, hard!

So now to this week last year, this time, and to help everyone out, here are the facts from CDC:

When condoms are used reliably, they have been shown to prevent pregnancy up to 98 percent of the time among couples using them as their only method of contraception. Similarly, numerous studies among sexually active people have demonstrated that a properly used latex condom provides a high degree of protection against a variety of sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV infection.

and from the Fed's own AIDS site:

Be safe. The best way to prevent HIV is to abstain from having sex. If you do have sex, use a new latex condom every time. Do not share needles or syringes.

Any questions? Any questions for straight shooting John [March, 2007, bolded mine]?

Reporter: "Should U.S. taxpayer money go to places like Africa to fund contraception to prevent AIDS?"

Mr. McCain: "Well I think it's a combination. The guy I really respect on this is Dr. Coburn. He believes - and I was just reading the thing he wrote- that you should do what you can to encourage abstinence where there is going to be sexual activity. Where that doesn't succeed, than he thinks that we should employ contraceptives as well. But I agree with him that the first priority is on abstinence. I look to people like Dr. Coburn. I'm not very wise on it."

(Mr. McCain turns to take a question on Iraq, but a moment later looks back to the reporter who asked him about AIDS.)

Mr. McCain: "I haven't thought about it. Before I give you an answer, let me think about. Let me think about it a little bit because I never got a question about it before. I don't know if I would use taxpayers' money for it."

Q: "What about grants for sex education in the United States? Should they include instructions about using contraceptives? Or should it be Bush's policy, which is just abstinence?"

Mr. McCain: (Long pause) "Ahhh. I think I support the president's policy."

Q: "So no contraception, no counseling on contraception. Just abstinence. Do you think contraceptives help stop the spread of HIV?"

Mr. McCain: (Long pause) "You've stumped me."

Q: "I mean, I think you'd probably agree it probably does help stop it?"

Mr. McCain: (Laughs) "Are we on the Straight Talk express? I'm not informed enough on it. Let me find out. You know, I'm sure I've taken a position on it on the past. I have to find out what my position was. Brian, would you find out what my position is on contraception - I'm sure I'm opposed to government spending on it, I'm sure I support the president's policies on it."

Q: "But you would agree that condoms do stop the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. Would you say: ?'No, we're not going to distribute them,' knowing that?"

Mr. McCain: (Twelve-second pause) "Get me Coburn's thing, ask Weaver to get me Coburn's paper that he just gave me in the last couple of days. I've never gotten into these issues before."

John "the surge is working" McCain. When you don't know something, do as George W. Bush does. Bush was ignorant about Shi'a and Sunni before he invaded Iraq for bogus reasons, and that's sure worked out well for the US, hasn't it? Sure it has. Just ask John McCain to read the graph.


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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2008 01:50 pm
I am dead against VIOLENCE.
Unfortunately the majority of the humanbeing who had shed tears and uphold the USA's dream after 11th september are not prepared to shed any more tears.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2008 04:14 pm
McG

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"It's a rank falsehood for the DNC to accuse McCain of wanting to wage 'endless war' based on his support for a presence in Iraq something like the U.S. role in South Korea."


Annenburg is correct to note the inaccuracies of this accusation against McCain. But where Annenburg misses the mark here is in accepting Korea and Iraq as comparable cases as regards risks to American troops. McCain might say, for example, "I'm all for dropping a tactical nuke on China so long as nothing bad happens to us as a consequence."
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2008 07:20 pm
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McCain might say, for example, "I'm all for dropping a tactical nuke on China so long as nothing bad happens to us as a consequence."


Your absolutely correct, he might say that.
But then again, so might Hillary or Obama.

You can speculate that somebody MIGHT say anything, but thats all it is is speculation.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2008 08:15 pm
mysteryman wrote:
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McCain might say, for example, "I'm all for dropping a tactical nuke on China so long as nothing bad happens to us as a consequence."


Your absolutely correct, he might say that.
But then again, so might Hillary or Obama.

You can speculate that somebody MIGHT say anything, but thats all it is is speculation.


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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2008 08:21 pm
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The Gramm connection
Aha: the Politico notices that Phil Gramm, McCain's economic guru, can also be viewed as the father of the financial crisis.
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The general co-chairman of John McCain's presidential campaign, former Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), led the charge in 1999 to repeal a Depression-era banking regulation law that Democrat Barack Obama claimed on Thursday contributed significantly to today's economic turmoil.
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According to federal lobbying disclosure records, Gramm lobbied Congress, the Federal Reserve and Treasury Department about banking and mortgage issues in 2005 and 2006.
During those years, the mortgage industry pressed Congress to roll back strong state rules that sought to stem the rise of predatory tactics used by lenders and brokers to place homeowners in high-cost mortgages

Where have I seen that before? Ah:
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His chief economic adviser is former Senator Phil Gramm, a fervent advocate of financial deregulation. In fact, I'd argue that aside from Alan Greenspan, nobody did as much as Mr. Gramm to make this crisis possible.

Seriously, the Gramm connection tells you all you need to know about where a McCain administration would stand on financial issues: squarely against any significant reform.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/

This presents a serious problem. McCain is settling in on the far right "business should never be restricted or regulated" ideology.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 30 Mar, 2008 09:27 pm
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His most famous pander came in 2000, when, after earlier denouncing the Confederate flag as a "symbol of racism," he embraced it as "a symbol of heritage." To his credit, Mr. McCain later acknowledged, "I feared that if I answered honestly I could not win the South Carolina primary, so I chose to compromise my principles."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/opinion/17kristof.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print

Which poses the question, or rather a large series of questions, as to what he's saying now that isn't honest or principled, merely said for electoral purposes?


But here's the passage I really love. Not from McCain but from WSJ's Strassel. How can anyone read these people and not want to just throw a pie in their face?
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The amazing thing about McCain is that his reputation for principled consistency has remained completely intact. It is his strongest cudgel against opponents. Wall Street Journal editorial page columnist Kimberley Strassel recently gushed that McCain is "no flip-flopper." "Like or dislike Mr. McCain's views," she added, "Americans know what they are." Then, in the very next paragraph, she wrote that McCain will now be "as pure as the New Hampshire snow on the two core issues of taxes and judges" and that "[t]he key difference between Mr. McCain in 2000 and 2008 is that he...appears intent on making amends" to conservatives.
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=4a65fb2f-7752-493f-a8d3-7fa4aa5e55d0
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2008 07:28 am
I think, Blatham, that you confuse McCain the candidate for McCain the President.

McCain has to win the office first. That means a few small white lies and some bending from one side to another like a tree. The wind may blow it from side to side, but it has strong roots that always return it to it's true position. I doubt there is a strong enough political wind to blow McCain over.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2008 09:18 am
McGentrix wrote:
I think, Blatham, that you confuse McCain the candidate for McCain the President.

McCain has to win the office first. That means a few small white lies and some bending from one side to another like a tree. The wind may blow it from side to side, but it has strong roots that always return it to it's true position. I doubt there is a strong enough political wind to blow McCain over.


Ah yes Grasshopper .... spoken with equivocation as a true Republican.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2008 10:06 am
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I doubt there is a strong enough political wind to blow McCain over.


Inner ear problems look likely to suffice.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2008 10:07 am
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At the very core of the media's reverence for John McCain is the blatant, tired myth that he's a "centrist."

Like Lieberman, McCain may deviate from right-wing dogma on discrete issues when it comes to domestic policy questions. But on questions of foreign policy, national security and war, McCain -- and Lieberman -- are as extremist as it gets in the mainstream political spectrum. On those obviously central issues, there simply is nobody and nothing to the Right of McCain.

McCain marks the absolute outer ideological boundary of American militarism, imperialism and war-making, particularly (though not only) in the Middle East. That's why he's long been enthusiastically supported by the country's most crazed warmongers -- such as Bill Kristol, James Woolsey, most of the PNAC crowd, and Lieberman. In no meaningful sense are such individuals "centrists," and neither is McCain.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/31/mccain/index.html
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2008 01:52 pm
McCain ?'Surprised' by Iraq Developments link Anyone here surprised?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2008 02:06 pm


Unacceptable as a source.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2008 02:32 pm
Gelisgesti wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
I think, Blatham, that you confuse McCain the candidate for McCain the President.

McCain has to win the office first. That means a few small white lies and some bending from one side to another like a tree. The wind may blow it from side to side, but it has strong roots that always return it to it's true position. I doubt there is a strong enough political wind to blow McCain over.


Ah yes Grasshopper .... spoken with equivocation as a true Republican.


So are you saying that everything that both Hillary and Obama have said during this campaign has been the absolute truth?
That neither one of them have told voters exactly want they want to hear, even if it means contradicting something they said to an earlier group?

If you believe that, you are rather naive.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2008 08:14 pm
McGentrix wrote:


Why would the truth be unacceptable to an avowed centrist?
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Mon 31 Mar, 2008 11:09 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Gelisgesti wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
I think, Blatham, that you confuse McCain the candidate for McCain the President.

McCain has to win the office first. That means a few small white lies and some bending from one side to another like a tree. The wind may blow it from side to side, but it has strong roots that always return it to it's true position. I doubt there is a strong enough political wind to blow McCain over.


Ah yes Grasshopper .... spoken with equivocation as a true Republican.


So are you saying that everything that both Hillary and Obama have said during this campaign has been the absolute truth?
That neither one of them have told voters exactly want they want to hear, even if it means contradicting something they said to an earlier group?

If you believe that, you are rather naive.


Another F***ing strawman argument!
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2008 11:31 am
> What will you like most about the McCain Presidency?

Having the stinking dems out in the cold feeling sorry for themselves for at least another four years will do for starters.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 1 Apr, 2008 12:01 pm
gungasnake wrote:
> What will you like most about the McCain Presidency?

Having the stinking dems out in the cold feeling sorry for themselves for at least another four years will do for starters.



This mirrors the thinking of many of those who put Bush into office. Their thinking was that we will show those intelligent bastards by putting a dickhead like us into office.
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