Michele Obama's Big Mouth

O'Bill, you should read what our lovely Brooke told hawkeye in Linkat's
thread about her weight issue. Hawkeye has gotten flog from just about
every woman here on a2k, but he still insists of being right.

I'm not sure Hawkeye is as misogynist as he seems (which I agree with, misogyny seems to be in near every post). I think he thinks of people, as I said once before, mechanistically, and/or contractually, first, and that his pronouncements based on that come out misogynistic, not least because of his language.

She says, running her mouth.

CalamityJane wrote:

O'Bill, you should read what our lovely Brooke told hawkeye in Linkat's
thread about her weight issue. Hawkeye has gotten flog from just about
every woman here on a2k, but he still insists of being right.

Could you please link to it? I was unable to find any such exchange.

zen mystic, mechanistic, I call what I see.

On this thread, I'm interested in an answer to butrflynet's question about specifics on what it was that Michelle Obama said that set you to posting the thread.

ossobuco wrote:

zen mystic, mechanistic, I call what I see.

On this thread, I'm interested in an answer to butrflynet's question about specifics on what it was that Michelle Obama said that set you to posting the thread.

Go back to the original piece, it was about how Michelle refuses to tone down her personality. Overall it is not the words it is the tone and message behind the words. SOme have taken offense because they assume that I am apposed to strong women, after all so far as Michelle is concerend all she is doing is being herself, which is a strong woman. I have argued that this race is about her husband not her, that her role is to support him, that she does not have a good political radar, and thus she needs to tone it down. SHe needs to put as much of herself into the public space that she needs to to accomplish the goal of helping him, but no more.

What as Calamity and the rest in a tizzy is that they can't get their minds around the reality that some times (in 2008-oh my!) the roll of the wife is to to support and assist the husband, full stop. This should not be such a difficult concept... sometimes the wife helps the husband get what he wants, sometimes the husband helps the wife get what she wants. That's marriage, you know, teamwork.

Go back to the original piece, it was about how Michelle refuses to tone down her personality. Overall it is not the words it is the tone and message behind the words. SOme have taken offense because they assume that I am apposed to strong women, after all so far as Michelle is concerend all she is doing is being herself, which is a strong woman. I have argued that this race is about her husband not her, that her role is to support him, that she does not have a good political radar, and thus she needs to tone it down. SHe needs to put as much of herself into the public space that she needs to to accomplish the goal of helping him, but no more.

What as Calamity and the rest in a tizzy is that they can't get their minds around the reality that some times (in 2008-oh my!) the roll of the wife is to to support and assist the husband, full stop. This should not be such adifficult concept... sometimes the wife helps the husband get what he wants, sometimes the husband helps the wife get what she wants. That's marriage, you know, teamwork.

Michelle seriously needs to wise up. Her job is to be supportive and help her husband can get elected and do good work, what she thinks about anything is irrelevant, and being mouthy makes her husband look bad.

M Obama needs to show that she is willing to play the "good wife" by shutting her mouth...

If so then Barack picked poorly, for that would make her an unsuitable wife for a politician. Politics is a game with rules, if the wife is not willing to play those rules then that candidate needs to either get a new wife or play a different game.

....her husband's political needs come before her desire to do good work and run her mouth in public. ....

The fact that he never had a chance does not alter the reality that his wife hurt him, and that his inability or unwillingness to control her hurt him.

If Barack can't convince his wife to do the right thing how is he going to convince other world leaders of anything, especially after Bush has done all of the damage he has done??

ut if she continues to put her desire to speak out ahead of her husbands mission she will hurt him much more than she helps. It strikes me a selfishness.

Barack is the candidate, Michelle is not. Her role is to support him, period.

I also agree that a good dose of Michelle serves to humanize Barack....she can be very good for him if she stays in her lane.

. Almost everyone is opposing
your point of views and your way of thinking, hawkeye. Doesn't that
make you stop and re-think that you might be wrong if the majority of
people are telling you so?
.

There is plenty of more statements like these coming from you, hawkeye, they prove that you're meaning of marriage and teamwork is quite different from the norm.

And my point to you, which you never answered, was who are YOU to decide she needs to tone it down? Maybe Barack is delighted with her performance. Maybe he ASKED her to get this outspoken. What the heck do YOU know?

Yes, you still haven't answered these questions.

What you have stated is only YOUR opinion, and unless you're intimately involved in their campaign strategy and have inside knowledge that we don't, it's just an opinion, one which, as CJ pointed out, is in the minority on this thread.