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On Obama and McCain, Hagee and Farrakhan

 
 
Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2008 05:10 pm
Glenn Greenwald

Thursday February 28, 2008 07:40 EST

Some hateful, radical ministers -- white evangelicals -- are acceptable

(updated below - Update II - Update III)

One of this week's hysterical press scandals was that Minister Louis Farrakhan praised Barack Obama's candidacy even though Obama had previously denounced numerous Farrakhan remarks and the Obama campaign did nothing to seek out the Farrakhan praise. Nonetheless, Tim Russert demanded that Obama jump through multiple hoops to prove that he has no connection to -- and, in fact, "rejects" -- the ideas espoused by Farrakhan deemed to be radical and hateful.


Yesterday, though, the equally fringe, radical and hateful (at least) Rev. John Hagee -- a white evangelical who is the pastor of a sprawling "mega-church" in Texas -- enthusiastically endorsed John McCain. Did McCain have to jump through the same hoops which Russert and others set up for Obama and "denounce" Hagee's extremism and "reject" his support? No; quite the opposite. McCain said he was "very honored" to receive this endorsement and, when asked about some of Hagee's more twisted views, responded: "all I can tell you is that I am very proud to have Pastor John Hagee's support."

McCain's sainted supporter, Joe Lieberman, last year spoke to Hagee's group and lavished him with such obsequious praise that Lieberman actually compared Hagee, favorably, to Moses. Why is Louis Farrakhan deemed by our political establishment to be so radioactive as to not be fit for good company -- black candidates are required to repudiate his support even when they haven't sought it and denounce his views even when they've never advocated anything close to those views -- but John Hagee is a perfectly acceptable figure whom mainstream GOP politicians are free to court without any consequences or media objections?

Here is just a small sampling of the belief system of this welcomed McCain supporter:

* All Muslims are programmed to kill and we can thus never negotiate with any of them. From an NPR interview Hagee gave to Terry Gross in 2006:

TG: If you use the Bible as the basis for policy, is there any room for compromise? And if you use the bible as the basis for policy, should Muslims use the Koran as the basis for their policy, and then again, what possible basis is there for compromise at that point?

JH: There is really no room for compromise between radical Islam --

TG: I'm not talking about radical Islam. I'm just talking about Islam in general.

JH: Well Islam in general -- those who live by the Koran have a scriptural mandate to kill Christians and Jews.

* God caused Hurricane Katrina to wipe out New Orleans because it had a gay pride parade the week before and was filled with sexual sin. From the same interview:

JH: All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that.

The newspaper carried the story in our local area, that was not carried nationally, that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it would was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other gay pride parades.

So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing. I know there are people who demur from that, but I believe that the Bible teaches that when you violate the law of God, that God brings punishment sometimes before the Day of Judgment, and I believe that the Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans.

* The End Times -- Rapture -- is imminent and the U.S. Government must do what it can to hasten it, which at minimum requires: (a) a war with Iran and (b) undying, absolute support for a unified Israel, including all Occupied Territories (hence, Joe Lieberman's love affair with them). From Christian Palestinian Daoud Kuttab in The New York Times (h/t PZ Meyers):

A small minority of evangelical Christians have entered the Middle East political arena with some of the most un-Christian statements I have ever heard. . . . [Rev.] Hagee, a popular televangelist who leads the 18,000-member Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, ratcheted up his rhetoric this year with the publication of his book, "Jerusalem Countdown," in which he argues that a confrontation with Iran is a necessary precondition for Armageddon (which will mean the death of most Jews, in his eyes) and the Second Coming of Christ. In the best-selling book, Hagee insists that the United States must join Israel in a preemptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West.


Hagee believes that "the president's support for Israel fulfills a biblical injunction to protect the Jewish state," which "will play a pivotal role in the second coming." These views are not unrelated to Hagee's support for McCain. Quite the contrary; Hagee cited McCain's so-called "pro-Israel views," his belligerence towards Iran, and his social conservatism as reasons for the endorsement. And in critical contrast to Obama and Farrakhan, McCain actually seems to share some of Hagee's more twisted views, as evidenced by McCain's joyful singing about dropping bombs on Iran.

The GOP has long been given a pass on courting the most warped and twisted religious figures around. George Bush spoke regularly with Pat Robertson -- never once forced to "denounce" or "reject" him. In 2006, Rev. Hagee had a private meeting with uber-White House neocon (and convicted criminal) Elliot Abrams, who just happens to run Middle East policy in the Bush administration, and afterwards, Hagee gushed that he and Abrams (like he and Lieberman) shared similar views towards the Middle East: "we felt we were on the right track."

Watching the media's treatment of Farrakhan and Hagee, is it possible to imagine a more transparent, and grotesque, double standard? In the framework of the Russert-led establishment press, white evangelical Christians are, by definition, entitled to great respect no matter how radical, extreme and hateful their professed views are. These are, after all, religious Christians -- People of Faith -- and, as such, it is wrong, even bigoted, to suggest that they should be repudiated. There is nothing ever radical, hateful or dangerous about the views of white evangelical Christians like Hagee.

Thus, white evangelical Ministers are free to advocate American wars based on Biblical mandates, rant hatefully against Islam, and argue that natural disasters occur because God hates gay people. They are still fit for good company, an important and cherished part of our mainstream American political system. The entire GOP establishment is permitted actively to lavish them with praise and court their support without the slightest backlash or controversy. Both George Bush and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert sent formal greetings to the 2006 gathering of Hagee's group.

By contrast, black Muslim ministers like Farrakhan, or even black Christian ministers like Rev. Jeremiah Wright, are held with deep suspicion, even contempt. McCain is free to hug and praise the Rev. Hagees of the world, but Obama is required to prove over and over and over and over that he does not share the more extreme views of black Ministers.

How come Tim Russert -- in all the times he sits and chats with Lieberman, McCain and various high Bush officials -- never reads all of the inflammatory, disgusting, crazed "Rapture-is-Coming/ All-Jews-will-Burn/ Kill-All-Muslims/ Hurricanes-are-Punishment-against-Gays" pronouncements from John Hagee and James Dobson and Pat Robertson and demand that John McCain and George Bush and Joe Lieberman "denounce" those views and "reject" their support? What's the difference, exactly?

UPDATE: As emaydon recalls in Comments, McCain supporter Rudy Giuliani, just a few months ago, stood on the same stage and gushed with gratitude over the endorsement by Rev. Pat Robertson of Giuliani's presidential bid.

That's the same Rev. Robertson who, among so many great things, said that Ariel Sharon's stroke was God's punishment for giving up Gaza and the 9/11 attack was divine retribution against America -- America's fault -- for tolerating gays, feminists and the ACLU. But Giuliani was the moderate, respectable candidate who was free to accept Robertson's endorsement, and Russert and his friends never demanded that he "reject" it.

UPDATE II: Although cavorting with the likes of Pat Robertson and John Hagee is perfectly acceptable in Russert World, Russert also demanded, back in January, 2006, that Obama opine on various controversial remarks from the highly influential political philosopher Harry Belafonte (h/t JKP1000):

MR. RUSSERT: I want to talk a little bit about the language people are using in the politics now of 2006, and I refer you to some comments that Harry Belafonte made yesterday. He said that Homeland Security had become the new Gestapo. What do you think of that?

MR. RUSSERT: Mr. Belafonte went to Venezuela, as you well know, some time ago and met with the Hugo Chavez, leader of that country, and said some things that obviously were noted in this country and around the world. Let's listen, and come back and talk about it.

(Videotape, January 8, 2006) . . .

MR. RUSSERT: Is it appropriate to call the President of the United States "the greatest terrorist in the world"?

Obama is required to denounce certain people with whom he has no connection while the likes of Bush, McCain, Lieberman and Giuliani are free to associate themselves openly with the most extremist elements around.

UPDATE III: Here is the McCain campaign website proudly promoting a video of Rev. Hagee's reverent introduction of McCain, while McCain and wife Cindy stood proudly by, during the candidate's "No Surrender Tour":


During his remarks, Rev. Hagee denounced those "in Congress who whine about the cost of the war"; said we can't withdraw from Iraq because "Israel will be in greater danger than ever before," pointed out that "Allah [is Ahmadinejad's] God -- not ours"; and raved that McCain "is the leader and the [other candidates] are followers." Rev. Hagee concluded: "Without victory, there is no survival." McCain then went over to him and warmly shook his hand.

-- Glenn Greenwald
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2008 05:40 pm
Interested to hear the comments from the right about this.

Maybe they can start with explaining...

Why isn't McCain's embracing of Hagee worse than Obama's (non-existent, trumped-up) relationship with Farrakhan?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2008 05:55 pm
snood wrote:
Interested to hear the comments from the right about this.

Maybe they can start with explaining...

Why isn't McCain's embracing of Hagee worse than Obama's (non-existent, trumped-up) relationship with Farrakhan?
good question, prehaps we can get some straight answers fro Okie,Foxfyre and Asherman; ya think? Well, I'm thinking that we will see in the few days more coverage of McCain/Hagee in the MSM because we is already know the MSM is biased towards Obama and against conservatives.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2008 07:42 pm
Glenn Greenwald said it right. Double standards to say the least.
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2008 08:44 pm
Oh, I'm sure any minute now Tico and McG and Mysteryman et al will arrive with pointed and reasonable replies that clearly illustrate why McCain's relationship with Hagee is much more honorable and above board than Obama's (non-existent and trumped-up) relationship with Farrakhan.

Any minute.
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 02:52 am
You watch.

A stinging rebuttal, I bet.

Any minute.
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 03:16 am
Hagee on Jews and Judaism:

"How utterly repulsive, insulting, and heartbreaking to God for His chosen people to credit idols with bringing blessings He had showered upon the chosen people. Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of anti-Semitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come.... it rises from the judgment of God uppon his rebellious chosen people."

Hagee urging a religiously motivated pre-emptive strike against Iran:

"The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West... a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation [...] and [the] Second Coming of Christ."

McCain, when confronted with some of Hagee's more outrageous statements:

"I am very proud to have Pastor John Hagee's support."

http://www.samefacts.com/archives/religion_and_politics_/2008/02/why_we_all_cant_just_get_along.php

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Catholic_League_Angered_O/2008/02/28/76481.html


Any minute now.

I'm sure of it.
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nimh
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 07:48 am
bookmark
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 07:52 am
I made the mistake of watching Hannity and Colmes last night and Colmes (that 1/4 worth of a host) actually brought this up. Pretty instructive and amusing.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 08:01 am
More holy crap as usual.
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 10:09 am
It's coming.

A scathing argument from the right which shows how McCain's relationship with this guy is somehow a good and honorable thing, unlike the (spurious, woven by rightwing hacks from whole cloth) relationship between Obama and Farrakhan. Any minute!! You watch and see! The upstanding, honest and fairminded A2Kers of the 'right' persuasion will provide just such illumination!!

Any min---- Hey, waitaminute. It's been a whole frickin day. Maybe we can take this silence as capitulation that this episode with jumping on Obama's associations but not McCain's is exactly as slimily hypocritical as it appears to be.

Ya think?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 10:31 am
I specifically turned on the telly last evening to see what the MSM were reporting re McCain/Hagee. Not a single word (Although I may have missed it if there were) There was however, several comments made about Obama/Farakan.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 01:17 pm
More on this http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/02/28/donohue/index.html
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 01:41 pm
Whoa!

That was very informative, thanks.

I wonder where those Catholics will go? Doesn't seem like they'd go to evangelical Huckabee, who was miffed that Hagee endorsed McCain instead of him (there was some sort of accusation of putting politics before beliefs, I can track this down on request).

Obama, maybe? The thing about Obama doing the right thing re: Farrakhan would indicate that's a possibility.

But maybe they'll just stay home.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 01:43 pm
Here we go:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/28/714684.aspx

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TEXARKANA, Texas -- Huckabee accused the Rev. John Hagee of playing politics over principle by endorsing McCain, and criticized the Republican front-runner for not accepting a debate.

Speaking after a rally in Texarkana, Huckabee said he was surprised by Hagee's endorsement because of McCain's lack of fervor on abortion -- despite his 100% anti-abortion rights voting record. (McCain has, however, voted for stem-cell research.) Huckabee also said Hagee told him he endorsed because he assumed McCain would win the nomination.

"He just thought that the political rationale was he wanted to get on Sen. McCain's team, and he thought he was gonna win the nomination," Huckabee said. "I don't think that's a foregone conclusion, and even if I did, I would stand on principle more than I would politics."

Huckabee said he spoke with Hagee, expressed his "disappointment and surprise" and asked him to hold off on publicly backing McCain.

"I felt that it was totally out of character for what I knew he believed," Huckabee said, "or at least I thought he did."


The Republicans not only are NOT repudiating this guy, they're fighting over his endorsement.
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 04:17 pm
And, even though I admit I've been flip about it here, I really am suprised at the silence about this from our GOP/conservative members. It can't be that they don't see the significance of this - I mean, if Obama/Farrakhan is significant, isn't McCain/Hagee?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 04:25 pm
George said something decent about it, on the Obama thread I think.

That's all I remember seeing so far.

McCain issued this statement today:

Quote:
"Yesterday, Pastor John Hagee endorsed my candidacy for president in San Antonio, Texas. However, in no way did I intend for his endorsement to suggest that I in turn agree with all of Pastor Hagee's views, which I obviously do not.

"I am hopeful that Catholics, Protestants and all people of faith who share my vision for the future of America will respond to our message of defending innocent life, traditional marriage, and compassion for the most vulnerable in our society."


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/180846.php

Hmm.... pretty mild.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 04:31 pm
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real life
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2008 12:51 am
Well, lessee.................

Hagee supports our ally , Israel.

Farrakhan advocates the destruction of our ally, Israel.

Hagee welcomes blacks and whites into his congregation.

Farrakhan refers to whites as 'devils'

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If John McCain attended a church which gave an award to a racist, the call for McCain to leave that church would be loud and insistent.

Barack 'Present' Obama's church recently honored Farrakhan.

But 'Present' Obama can't seem to make the difficult decision to leave the church where his 'mentor' Dr Wright has built a church that is 'Committed to the Black Value System' and a 'non-negotiable Commitment to Africa' (but no stated commitment to America).

Jeremiah Wright wrote:
White America got their wake-up call after 9-11. White America and the Western world came to realize people of color had not gone away, faded in the woodwork, or just disappeared as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.


'Present' Obama's problems with race go a lot deeper than just Louis Farrakhan.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Sat 1 Mar, 2008 04:45 am
Only a lunatic would defend Hagee:

bbc.com

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His (Hagee's) [/quotelatest book, Jerusalem Countdown: A Warning to the World, interprets the Bible to predict that Russian and Arab armies will invade Israel and be destroyed by God.

This will set up a confrontation over Israel between China and the West, led by the anti-Christ, who will be the head of the European Union, Pastor Hagee writes.

That final battle between East and West - at Armageddon, as the actual Israeli location of Meggido is known in English - will precipitate the second coming of Christ, he concludes.

It is not clear how many evangelicals believe literally in those type of prophecies. [/quote]
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