timberlandko wrote:What of my foregoing do you contest, Gel? Do you argue with my therein stated assertions? If any are untrue, refute them. I fail to see error in any of them.
I could repeat that line back to you. You made an assertion about what Bush said, denying that Steve had it right. I quoted Bush back at you, clearly saying exactly what Steve said he had. I
did point out the error. Yet you respond with some general political rant, writing stuff like:
timberlandko wrote:Asserting an argument has been refuted, no matter how often that assertion is made, does not refute the argument. Some folks persist in criticizing and laying allegations against The Current Administration, and in predicting doom and gloom for it and its prospects. Everything presented or accomplished by The Americasn Right is criticized and dismissed by The American Left. [etc etc]
But I, for one, wasnt laying on random piles of allegations or predicting gloom and doom galore, I
was in fact merely "refuting an argument". So why dont you specify how exactly I failed to do so, if you think I did, instead of going off on another rhetorical tangent about how the Right is superior to the Left in all kinds of ways?
Its simple enough.
Steve wrote: "Bush never said we have to stop Saddam now because he is going to be a threat in the future [..] Bush said he IS a threat, he HAS WMD".
You responded,
contesting his view, by asserting: "what Bush said was "We must not allow that threat to become imminent" [..] That indeed is what he actually said, Steve."
But President Bush actually
said: "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
I.e.: "he IS a threat, he HAS WMD".
Bush then spun
another threat into the speech, namely that Saddam might hand over those WMD to the terrorists that hit New York at 9/11 -
that was the supposedly "imminent" threat.
NATO allies asked the Bush administration, back then already, to share this "intelligence" that would leave "no doubt" that Iraq still posessed WMD and had "aided and trained operatives of al Qaeda". (In fact, back on 8 October 2002 Bush
even said that "Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases"). And they considered what it shared with them wholly unconvincing. "We are of the generation that needs to be convinced and, mister Powell, we are not convinced", said Joschka Fischer.
Now the depressing thing is that I'm sure that, just a few days or weeks from now, you'll assert here again that Bush was
really only warning that Saddam could still
develop WMDs at some future time, back then. And I won't always be there to refute that lie - because that's what it is.
Now there's no need for some new, nice, general post about how people differ of opinion and that doesnt invalidate either opinion, etc, here - we agree there, its not about
editorialising here - just stop repeating falsehoods like "Bush didnt say", when he can be
quoted saying it.