timberlandko wrote:That indeed is what he actually
said, Steve.
Ehm, no, that is - you're quoting selectively to obscure the point.
Steve pointed out that "Bush never said we have to stop Saddam now because he is going to be a threat in the future [..] Bush and Blair said he IS a threat, he HAS WMD, HE'S POINTING them at us, and he CAN LAUNCH in 45 minutes."
And you answered that "what Bush said was "We must not allow that threat to
become imminent". (Emphasis added).
But in the same speech that you're quoting here now, Bush said it clearly enough:
President Bush wrote:Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
"Leaves no doubt", "continues to possess". Steve is right: Bush presented this war as a necessity (and an
imminent necessity) on the basis of the submission that Saddam "IS a threat, he HAS WMD" - just like Steve said it.
The qualified, "imagine the dangers that might come upon us" part was about the
other argument in his speech: that Saddam might pass those WMDs, that he was supposedly proven to still have, on to Al Qaeda. Not a scenario you'll find many reputed adherents of, outside the Bush government.
So - the question's back to where Steve left it. If the Americans and Brits, that Bush and Blair speeched to, would have known that there was no imminent threat, just a future one - would they have bought into the argument that it was an absolute impossibility to give in to the majority of UN SC states, and grant Blix the few months extra he was asking for? It would even have provided the US, if the threat
had turned out to be real, with an argument for war that not just Tony and Aznar would have bought.
Oh, Bush also said in the same sentence: "And [the Iraq regime] has aided, trained and harbored terrorists, including operatives of al Qaeda."
No evidence of Saddam training al Qaeda operatives yet - the best even you have shown us is that a 'free entrepreneur in terror', who turned out to be al Qaeda at least at a later stage, once had an operation in an Iraqi hospital.