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The UN, US and Iraq IV

 
 
PDiddie
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 03:36 pm
You don't think...no, it can't be...could it?

It just can't be that they are...corrupt...can it?


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Last month the Iraqi Governing Council questioned why the American occupation authority had issued a $20 million contract to buy new revolvers and Kalashnikov rifles for the Iraqi police when the United States military was confiscating tens of thousands of weapons every month from Saddam Hussein's abandoned arsenals.

On Wednesday the Iraqi council, in a testy exchange with the occupation administrator, L. Paul Bremer III, challenged an American decision to spend $1.2 billion to train 35,000 Iraqi police officers in Jordan when such training could be done in Iraq for a fraction of the cost. Germany and France have offered to provide such training free.

These decisions are being questioned by Iraqi officials as Congress is also seeking to examine how the American occupation authority and the military are spending billions of dollars here. Iraqi officials and businessmen charge that millions of dollars in contracts are being awarded without competitive bidding, some of them to former cronies of Mr. Hussein's government.

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A number of businessmen say they believe it is necessary to pay kickbacks to win contracts. A spokesman for one of the largest American corporations awarding subcontracts here, Bechtel, said his company had neither paid any kickbacks nor had been approached by Iraqis seeking to pay kickbacks. He said Bechtel made all of its contract information available on its Web site and at offices in Baghdad and Basra. A check of the Web site on Friday found no information, only a notice that the site was "under construction."


Questions Raised on Awarding of Iraq Contracts
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 04:51 pm
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A check of the Web site on Friday found no information, only a notice that the site was "under construction."

Well, what would you expect PDiddie? After all, construction is precisely what Bechtel is known for :wink:


Thanks, Kara ... yeah, the beerflow is proportionate to the heat of the competition. And a little twist we put in is that anyone sinking all three darts of a round into the bullseye gets a shot of his/her choice. It raises the enthusiasm a bit, even if it makes the acheivement increasingly more problematic Laughing
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 06:24 pm
Following up on the French missile hoax - Timber already posted the retraction by Poland - one additional detail is in the last sentence of below quote from MSNBC report (my emph). Shouldn't journalists have found it easy to find that out when the story originally broke, too - if they'd done a doublecheck?

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Poland said Saturday it had been mistaken in reporting that its troops found new French-made anti-aircraft missiles in central Iraq.

Chirac swiftly denied selling Iraq weapons in violation of the U.N. weapons embargo against Saddam’s regime. The claims, he said, “are as false today as they were yesterday.”

An aide to the Polish prime minister said an initial report that the Roland missiles found by Polish troops days ago were produced in 2003 was incorrect. France said it stopped producing any type of Roland missile in 1993.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 06:29 pm
Timber I just saw your quote. As I expected the Rolands would only be a violation of the sanctions (i.e. a violation by the seller).

But it's moot now. The weapons were not even a violation of the sanctions.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 06:44 pm
Yeah, CdK, the Roland Ruckus turned into another Bodyguard Story ... I sorta figured it might, myself, but what the heck ... it was fun while it lasted.

Here's some more fun:

DICTATORS DANCE WITH ONE ANOTHER

Quote:
THE WORLD

Botched Iraqi Arms Deal Is Detailed
CIA advisor David Kay says Hussein lost $10 million in a plan to smuggle North Korean technology that never went through.


Chuckle chuckle snort Laughing
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 07:36 pm
thats actually kinda funny ;-)
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 08:33 pm
This whole thing of establishing a new constitution is thorny at best. Partisan politics, worries over who might have too much or too little power or influence, religious differences, conflicting non-negotiable conditions, revisiting and resurecting issues thought settled, determining just who does what, balancing agrarian, industrial and mercantile concerns, structuring a financial system and revamping an economy ... tricky stuff indeed. Whattaya wanna bet Iraq gets theirs done before the EU agrees on one for themselves?


EU: Not exactly all together yet
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 08:55 pm
How is it that the press is now more free in Iraq than in America?



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Saturday, October 4, 2003
JOURNALISTS BECOME MORE AGGRESSIVE
When George Bush claimed victory on May 1 with a staged jet fighter landing on a U.S. military vessel, the press coverage was comprehensive, at times nauseating. The conquering hero was actually a National Guard member in the Vietnam era who was AWOL for months. Daddy got him off the hook on that one. Shortly after the landing, Bush, when questioned about ongoing occurrences in Iraq told the journalists to talk about another issue. He said, "That's over. Let's get to the next step."
Some journalists did not buy Bush's explanation and knew there were many questions to be answered before going to the next step. Since that time, much of the journalistic community has been relentless in pursuing that truth about Iraq.
This was not always so. During Desert Storm, the journalists were kept away from the action. They were interviewing each other for nightly newscasts. The result was an appalling lack of real coverage of an event that sent a country back to a "pre-industrial era." In addition, the embargo years received little press attention.
About a year after the end of hostilities in Desert Storm, I interviewed Ramsey Clark, the former U.S. Attorney General who has taken up the cause of world peace and anti-imperialism. He told me, "The press has totally defaulted. It began with Grenada." His reference to Grenada was about the U.S. government's blackout of press coverage of the invasion of that island by U.S. forces in 1983. Clark added, "They (the press) complained for a while, but they soon forgot."
About the press coverage for Desert Storm, Clark stated, "The press led the American people to celebrate a slaughter." He was aghast at the press leaving Iraq on the day before the U.S. attack began. Clark said, "The morning of January 15, 1991 was the saddest moment for American journalism. There, at the cashier's desk (at the Al Rashid Hotel in Baghdad), checking out were the journalists. Here you have the press, whose duty it was to cover the facts for the public, checking out. It's like a fireman saying, 'Hell, that's a big fire. I'm not going in there.'"
Something happened that made certain journalists become relentless in recent times about believing U.S. government propaganda. Probably, they felt so humiliated by the acquiesence of their colleagues of the last decade that they now are coming to the forefront.
If you read the American and international press today, you will find daily investigative reports, primarily about Iraq, but also about big business and the environment, that are knocking George Bush all over the podium. He comes out with a lie, and the next day the lie has been exposed worldwide. Believe me, although his demeanor is cavalier at the current time, Bush is beginning to pay the price for deception.
Bush is not the only person in the administration who has been "outed" by astute journalism. Secretary of State Colin Powell and National Security Advisor Condeleeza Rice have been nailed for distorting the truth.
On September 29, many newspapers worldwide, including The Mirror of the United Kingdowm, carried an article written by Australian journalist John Pilger concerning the two government lackies who were publicly pushing for war. We all remember Powell addressing the U.N. stating that Iraq was making WMDs right under the noses of the world. He showed pictures and made grave predictions of doom if Saddam was not stopped. We also remember the international press in Baghdad visiting these areas and showing pictures of tootbrush factories and mushroom-canning factories, not manufacturers of Doomsday weapons. Who can forget Rice saying that it would be too late when we see a mushroom over New York City? She was not making reference to the canning factory in Baghdad, but the "imminent" Iraqi nuclear threat.
Through some fine investigating reporting, Pilger came across quotes from these two just a little over a year prior to their running with the Bush ball to promote war. In Cairo, on February 24, 2001, Powell said, "He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors."
Two months later, Rice also described a weak and militarily defenseless Iraq. She stated, "Saddam does not control the northern part of the country. We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."
The article is lengthy and Pilger interviewed many people. He spoke to John Bolton, the Undersecretary of State and asked about civilian casualties and what country America may attack next. Bolton told him, "You must be a member of the Communist Party."
During his investigation, Pilger talked to an unidentified CIA analyst. About the whole scenario, the anonymous CIA official said, It was 95 per cent charade."
This information was so devastating in Britain, that the country's ITV1 network ran a feature television report by Pilger on September 28 called "Breaking the Silence: Truth aand Lies in the War on Terror." Unfortunately, the American public did not have the option to view the program.
Certain portions of the media have awaken from a decade-long lull in reporting the truth about the destruction of Iraq. Even before the last invasion the press was full of great reports. At that time, many Americans did not see the reports, or they denied their accuracy. Even today, some Americans are in denial. Just two weeks ago, a poll showed that 70% of the American public believe that Saddam Hussein was the mastermind behing the 9/11 attacks on the United States. However, that figure is lower than it might have been a couple of months ago. The international community is totally aware of the reality of the attack against Iraq. Little by little, the American public is now begrudgingly thinking it was conned. We can thank the bulldog-like relentless actions of a portion of the press for that. Fortunately, things are different from the time I interviewed Ramsey Clark.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 09:20 pm
timberlandko wrote:
This whole thing of establishing a new constitution is thorny at best. [..] Whattaya wanna bet Iraq gets theirs done before the EU agrees on one for themselves?


I should bloody well hope so! Iraq's already a country, a state - all it had was a coup d'etat (call it regime change). A European constitution involves getting 15 nation-states and governments to agree on a common identity and a common, overriding basic law!
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2003 09:53 pm
I wonder if the new Iraqi constitution will have a 1st amendment?


Freedom of speech

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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 06:56 pm
The first few paragraphs say so much:

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The Iraq war had yet to begin, but some nasty fighting was already going on back in Washington between the Department of Defense and the Department of State.

Last February, retired Lt. Gen. Jay Garner was trying to put together a team of experts to rebuild Iraq after the war was over, and his list included 20 State Department officials. The day before he was supposed to leave for the region, Garner got a call from Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who ordered him to cut 16 of the 20 State officials from his roster. It seems that the State Department people were deemed to be Arabist apologists, or squishy about the United Nations, or in some way politically incorrect to the right-wing ideologues at the White House or the neocons in the office of the Secretary of Defense. The vetting process "got so bad that even doctors sent to restore medical services had to be anti-abortion," recalled one of Garner's team. Finally, Secretary of State Colin Powell tried to stand up for his troops and stop Rumsfeld's meddling. "I can take hostages, too," Powell warned the secretary of Defense. "How hard do you want to play this thing?"


The Unbuilding of Iraq
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 07:03 pm
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Again, Chalabi.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 07:10 pm
I seem to be reminded of our own history with "majority rule" When Pennsylvania ratified its new constitution in 1775 - considered a model of majority rule democracy - the first thing the legislature did was take away the right to vote from the minority Quakers, who had started the colony in the first place.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 07:13 pm
Hmmm the Quakers...you gotta love a group even the Puritans thought were extremists! Wink
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 08:28 pm
Interesting article, but not anything unexpected, eh?FAUX NEWS?
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Study hits war views held by Fox fans
By David Folkenflik
Sun Staff
Originally published October 4, 2003

Heavy viewers of the Fox News Channel are nearly four times as likely to hold demonstrably untrue positions about the war in Iraq as media consumers who rely on National Public Radio or the Public Broadcasting System, according to a study released this week by a research center affiliated with the University of Maryland's School of Public Affairs.

"When evidence surfaces that a significant portion of the public has just got a hole in the picture ... this is a potential problem in the way democracy functions," says Clay Ramsay, research director for the Washington-based Program on International Policy Attitudes, which studies foreign-policy issues.

Fox News officials did not return repeated requests yesterday for comment on the study.

Funded by the Rockefeller Brothers Fund and the Ford Foundation, the study was conducted from June through September. It surveyed 3,334 Americans who receive their news from a single media source. Each was questioned about whether he held any of the following three beliefs, characterized by the center as "egregious misperceptions":

# Saddam Hussein has been directly linked with the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

# Weapons of mass destruction have already been found in Iraq.

# World opinion favored the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

To date, as measured by government reports and accepted public surveys, each of those propositions is false, according to the center. The Bush administration has argued that evidence will be found of the weapons in Iraq as will direct links between Saddam and the al-Qaida members who planned the 9/11 attacks. But President Bush has been forced to acknowledge that no such proof has surfaced.

Sixty percent of all respondents believed in at least one of the statements. But there were clear differences in perceptions among devotees of the various media outlets.

Twenty-three percent of those who get their news from NPR or PBS believed in at least one of the mistaken claims. In contrast, 80 percent of Fox News viewers held at least one of the three incorrect beliefs.

Among broadcast network viewers there also were differences. Seventy-one percent of those who relied on CBS for news held a false impression, as did 61 percent of ABC's audience and 55 percent of NBC viewers. Fifty-five percent of CNN viewers and 47 percent of Americans who rely on the print media as their primary source of information also held at least one misperception.

The three evening network news shows command the largest audiences, together typically reaching between 25 million and 30 million viewers nightly. But Fox News, the top-rated cable-news outlet, has steadily increased its viewership by offering a blend of hard news and opinionated talk that often takes on a patriotic sheen. Its top show draws more than 2 million viewers nightly.

"Among those who primarily watch Fox, those who pay more attention are more likely to have misperceptions," the report concludes. "Only those who mostly get their news from print media have fewer misperceptions as they pay more attention."

The PIPA study suggests a strong link between people's understanding of the news and its source. That link held true throughout different demographic segments, such as those based on education level, viewing habits, and partisan leanings, Ramsay said.

"It proves that what we're doing is great journalism," says NPR spokeswoman Laura Gross. "We're telling the truth and we let our audience decide."

More information on the study can be found at www. pipa.org

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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 08:59 pm
Not much should be expected of anyone who admits their reliance on any one particular source for news. Nor of anyone more comfortable with editorial opinion than hard news.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 09:02 pm
timberlandko wrote:
Not much should be expected of anyone who admits their reliance on any one particular source for news.

Yup, but that would seem to include a large part of teh population! We here at A2K are something of a minority (a very moral minority, if I may say so! Wink ) in that we rely on many sources of print, electronic,and broadcast journalism.
Sigh. Isn't it just too bad the rest of the world can't be as intelligent and yet as modest as we are? Very Happy
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 09:06 pm
Gotta agree, hobitbob, most folks don't talk about real issues much at all, whether or not they think about them. That prolly has a lot to do with the fascination some of us have for websites wherein the converse is the norm.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 09:21 pm
Who's who in that place

Lotza bad guys

Evil or Very Mad Very Happy Evil or Very Mad Very Happy Evil or Very Mad
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 09:23 pm
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Dr. Ahmad Chalabi has little support from leaders of the various Iraqi exile groups, or from Iraqis living in Iraq. The Arab governments in the Persian Gulf region have told the administration that they would not allow Chalabi to run a liberation army from their soil, even in an operation mounted with U.S. help. The ruling Sunnis of Saudi Arabia distrust Chalabi in part because he is Shi'a, a branch of Islam whose adherents make up just over half of Iraq's 22 million inhabitants. The Kuwaitis do not believe he could inspire a successful revolt and refuse to give him a staging area. Jordan would put him in jail were he to return because of the banking fraud. And on the other side of Iraq, Turkey wants nothing to do with Chalabi or his plan.

On the bright side, he fits in quite well with the administration!
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