The UN, US and Iraq IV

Yes, Gelisgesti- General Wesley Clark.

The more I read about him, the more I like his positions. especially on Iraq.

Clark is just another dog thrown into the ring where the nine snap and bark at each other.

If blood is drawn, the big dog won't mind. He has no challengers from the Republican party. He is just watching the ten Demo dogs draw blood.

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Whose running mate? Clark's?

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9/11 brought about a paradigm shift in how we view the world. Events post 9/11 are evolving more or less as one would expect. As it was always GWB's desire to control Iraq, it is not surprising Rumsfeld called for detailed planning for an attack as soon as circumstances permitted. The real shock is how naive and misguided we were prior to 9/11. Those who haven't yet made the shift, can't make any sense of it all.

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Rumsfeld frisking Saddam for WMD's

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The secretary noted that such horrific behavior shouldn't surprise anyone who has followed Hussein's 20-plus year career as Iraq's dictator. Hussein, after all, has "used chemicals on his own people, as well as his neighbors," Rumsfeld pointed out.

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20 some years
Was that the same Saddam you shook hands with Rummy?

DOD article

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Sep 17, 9:08 AM EDT

Blix Says Iraq Probably Destroyed WMDs

SYDNEY, Australia (AP) -- Former U.N. chief weapons inspector Hans Blix believes that Iraq destroyed most of its weapons of mass destruction 10 years ago, but kept up the appearance that it had them to deter a military attack.

In an interview with an Australian radio station broadcast Wednesday, Blix said it was unlikely that the U.S and British teams now searching for weapons in Iraq would find more than some "documents of interest."

"I'm certainly more and more to the conclusion that Iraq has, as they maintained, destroyed all, almost, of what they had in the summer of 1991," Blix told Australian Broadcasting Corp. radio.

"The more time that has passed, the more I think it's unlikely that anything will be found."

Blix indicated he thought the U.S.-led coalition had backtracked on the issue of Iraq's weapons.

"In the beginning they talked about weapons concretely, and later on they talked about weapons programs. Maybe they'll find some documents of interest," he said.

Blix, who spent three years searching for Iraqi chemical, biological and ballistic missiles as head of the U.N. Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission, said Iraq might have tried to fool the United States into believing it had weapons of mass destruction over the years in order to deter attack.

"I mean, you can put up a sign on your door, 'Beware of the Dog,' without having a dog," he said from his home in Sweden.

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That sounds feasible. Thanks for the quote, Brand X.

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Excerpt

Gilligan admits dossier row errors

Gilligan has been accused of trying to mislead MPs about his source
BBC journalist Andrew Gilligan has admitted making mistakes in live broadcasts reporting claims the government had "sexed up" its dossier on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.
Coming under tough cross-examination from the government's barrister at the Hutton inquiry, Mr Gilligan defended his story, which he based on a conversation with government weapons expert Dr David Kelly.

But the defence correspondent told the Hutton inquiry into Dr Kelly's death he had made "slips of the tongue" during two broadcasts, including describing the scientist as his "intelligence service source".

And he apologised for e-mailing an MP on the committee which was looking into his BBC story about the government's presentation of its case for war with Iraq.

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It was "quite wrong" of him to have suggested Dr Kelly was the source for BBC Newsnight reports about Iraqi weapons, he said, especially as he was not sure at the time who the source was.

In his defence Mr Gilligan, who has now finished giving evidence, said he had been under "enormous pressure" when he sent the e-mail.

Dr Kelly's apparent suicide came after newspapers named him as the government's suspected source for Mr Gilligan's report of claims that Downing Street "sexed up" last September's dossier on Iraqi weapons.

Full story

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Blix and the UN were considered an inconvience, never truly matter in the decision - biggest lie - "We haven't made up our mind yet" - first said in about September, 2002; and often repeated.

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So, let me guess this straight:

Iraq had no WMD but acted as if they still did in order to deter an attack, a psyche-out stategy that completely backfired after 9/11...?

Quote:

Former U.N. chief weapons inspector Hans Blix believes that Iraq destroyed most of its weapons of mass destruction 10 years ago, but kept up the appearance that it had them to deter a military attack.

"The more time that has passed, the more I think it's unlikely that anything will be found."

Blix indicated he thought the U.S.-led coalition had backtracked on the issue of Iraq's weapons.

"In the beginning they talked about weapons concretely, and later on they talked about weapons programs. Maybe they'll find some documents of interest," he said.

Blix said Iraq might have tried to fool the United States into believing it had weapons of mass destruction over the years in order to deter attack.

"I mean, you can put up a sign on your door, 'Beware of the Dog,' without having a dog," he said from his home in Sweden.

cbsnews.com

And this from the Carnegie Institute-- they're not liberal, are they? :wink:

Quote:

Prior to 2002, many national and international officials and experts believed that Iraq likely had research programs or some stores of hidden chemical or biological weapons and maintained interest in a program to develop nuclear weapons. The debate that began in 2002 was not over weapons, but over war. The issue was whether Iraq's failure to cooperate fully with United Nations inspections and adequately account for its activities posed such a severe threat as to require military invasion and occupation. There the Kay Report may do more harm to the administration's case. Even if it puts the worst spin on all the available evidence, it may still end up showing that that Iraq had far less than anyone imagined, and certainly less than officials claimed.

If all Saddam had were intentions and fragments of programs, there was no need for war in March 2003. Thousands of deaths could have been avoided and the dangerous chaos that now pervades the region could have been prevented.

(edit: Brand X also had the citation posted so I left in only a few quotes from Blix)

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One talk-show host today admitted there are surely no WMD's and then said, But what's the beef? As long as he used that as the pretext for war, fine with me.

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Its a self-congratulatory thing. "We are the biggest rat in the cage...we kicked eye-rackey but..woo-hoo...yayus...(belch!)...gimme five dog!...huh, what the f--k do I care if some towely heads got dusted...we're 'MErrrcins!" Sad

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In a DNC poll issued today by McAuliffe, 98.5% of the respondents said that the issue which is most important to them was:
What happened to the WMD's?

I must really express my amazement at Professor Hobibit's intemperance and lack of sensitivity.
As a professor in a University, he knows well that you must not make fun of people that are linguistically deprived.

Professor Hobitbob ridicules such localisms as:

we kicked Eye-racky but woo woo yayus.

I don't know if political correctness and speech codes have reached Professor Hobitbob's University yet but he should be aware that a professor was disciplined at the University of Wisconsin for uttering the innocent words below:

Who you be? You be homie or gangbang?

He was accused of insensitivity--the most serious crime that a professor can be accused of.

Beware- Professor Hobibit!!!

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So, the American and British governments were not completely honest about their reasons for invading Iraq. I am deeply shocked.

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Excellent news.

Saudi Arabia considering going nuclear due to the "current upheaval in the Middle East."

Read all about it.

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Pick a rogue, any rogue...

Quote:

The Bush administration named Syria and Libya yesterday as "rogue states" whose weapons of mass destruction must not just be controlled but must be eliminated by whatever means necessary...

In what Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-NY) called "the axis of evil plus," Undersecretary of State John Bolton testified that Syria and Libya had weapons of mass destruction programs that must be "rolled back" and eliminated. Two years ago, President George W. Bush named North Korea, Iran and Iraq under Saddam Hussein as the "axis of evil."

Bolton said diplomacy is the administration's preferred approach but that "every tool in our nonproliferation toolbox" was an option. Bolton refused to rule out "regime change" as an administration option in Syria.

Newsday

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I think regime change is on the cards for Saudi Arabia. They've been loyally pumping gas for many years, but their usefulness is now in doubt. The House of Saud is shaky to say the least, and the US won't allow the wahhabist nutters to take over the country. Talk of the Saudis buying nuclear weapons from Pakistan will not endear the regime to the Likudniks around Bush, nor indeed to many others remembering 9/11.

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Associated Press
Thursday September 18, 2003

Up to eight US troops were reported to have been killed today in an ambush in the Iraqi town of Khaldiyah, west of the capital Baghdad.

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I wonder when the American people are going to wake up from their slumber? Maybe, most are brain-dead.

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