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The UN, US and Iraq IV

 
 
timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 03:03 pm
Now, THIS is truly sick.
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I haven't the degree of antipathy you feel for Arabs, despite a couple that I would willingly have dispatched, had it been legal. Nor do I have any particular love for them, other than that normally reserved for the underdog. Your hatred seems born of something quite apart from personal experience. Here is just part of the basis for my outlook:

It wasn't Arabs who tried to steal my law practice - it was a jew.

It wasn't Arabs who threatened to kill my children and wife - it was jews.

It wasn't Arabs who threatened to kill me - and continue to do so with regularity - it was/is jews.

It wasn't Arabs who screwed the stockholders of the company I worked for in SF - it was jews.

It isn't Arabs who fill my email inbox with pornographic spam - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who send all those viruses to me over the Internet - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who try to get my ISP to cancel my internet access - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who periodically forge mass spam mailings to so many, using my domain name - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who send me all that incredibly vituperative, irrational and pornographic hate mail - it is jews.

It wasn't Arabs who blocked my PayPal account and stole the balance it contained - it was jews.

It wasn't Arabs who painted a bullseye on my chest by labeling me one of "40 to watch" - it was jews.

It isn't Arabs who have made it all but impossible for me to work as a lawyer - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who maintain a dossier on me and draw from it to defame me on every venue possible - it is jews.

It wasn't Arabs who have been bent upon bankrupting and imprisoning so many that I know - it was and is jews.

It isn't Arabs who have arrested and imprisoned Chester Doles as a felon in possession of a gun, though he is no felon and owned no guns - it is jews.

It wasn't Arabs who indicted David Duke on tax evasion charges that were pure speculation, forcing a plea deal and a 1-year prison sentence because he dared not go before a jury - it was jews.

It wasn't Arabs who arrested Artie Wheeler for domestic terrorism because he had firearm reloading equipment and supplies - it was jews.

It wasn't Arabs who arrested and imprisoned Christine Greenwood for distributing clothing to needy white children - it was jews.

It wasn't Arabs who sued and bankrupted Richard Butler because he provided shelter to some derelicts who stupidly shot at some people - it was jews.

It wasn't Arabs who had Ernst Zundel deported to Canada - it was jews - where he now stands accused of thought crimes - by jews - for which he could get deported again, to Germany, where he will be tried for more thought crimes - by jews.

It wasn't Arabs who sued and bankrupted Tom Metzger because one of his followers stupidly killed another - it was jews.

It isn't Arabs who have hijacked my government - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who have hijacked the American legal system and now are transforming it to conform to Talmudic law - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who own and run the Federal Reserve Bank, which is in the process of destroying the dollar and the American economy - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs rigging the US stock market and commodities futures markets - it is jews.

It wasn't Arabs who sent our military into Afghanistan and Iraq - it was jews.

It isn't Arabs who refuse to serve in the US Military in numbers proportionate to their population percentage - it is jews (1/10 of 1%, vs. 2-1/2%).

It wasn't Arabs who sued to remove "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance - it was jews.

It wasn't Arabs who sued to remove the Ten Commandments from that Alabama courthouse, had Judge Moore removed from the bench and now seek to disbar him - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who sue to remove nativity scenes from public venues - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who erect menorahs in public venues in place of crosses - it is jews.

It wasn't Arabs who sued to remove group prayer from public schools - it was jews.

It wasn't Arabs suing to remove decorative lights from schools at Christmas - it was jews.

It isn't Arabs who refuse to allow children to say grace over their school lunches - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who continue to impose affirmative action upon us in all walks of life - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who began and continue to expand militant feminism - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who buy off all our legislators with our own tax dollars - it is jews.

It wasn't Arabs who tried to sink the USS Liberty and killed and maimed so many of its crewmembers during an extended attack - it was jews.

It isn't Arabs enacting hate crime laws designed to outlaw criticism of themselves - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who run NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association) - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs suing to force us to allow homosexuals to lead boy scout troops - it is jews.

It wasn't Arabs who started and ran so many black organizations like the NAACP - it was jews.

It isn't Arabs importing huge numbers of Somalians and Bantu into American cities - it is jews.

It wasn't Arabs who formulated American legislation providing pensions to Russian jewish immigrants for doing nothing - it was jews.

It isn't Arabs who run organized crime throughout America - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who import tons of drugs into America every day - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who literally own and run all of Hollywood's moviemaking enterprise - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who literally own and run all of America's mainstream media - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs spewing obscenity and race-mixing propaganda from the TV and movie screens - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs trying mightily to block release of the Mel Gibson movie, "The Passion" - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs lying about and guilt tripping us with "the holocaust" - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs stealing American tax dollars to fund all their holocaust monuments throughout America - it is jews.

It wasn't Arabs who forged the Anne Frank "diary" - it was jews.

It wasn't Arabs who lied about gas chambers at Dachau and Auschwitz - it was jews.

It wasn't Arabs who lied about mass graves at Treblinka - it was jews.

It wasn't Arabs who lied about jews being made into lamp shades and soap during WWII - it was jews.

It wasn't Arabs who doctored WWII prison camp photos to appear to be belching smoke from crematoria - it was jews.

It wasn't Arabs who used WWII pictures of dead non jews, claiming they were jews - it was jews.

It wasn't Arabs who made anti-semitical talk punishable by death in Russia after they took power - it was jews.

It wasn't Arabs who killed over 20 million Russian Christians - it was jews.

It wasn't Arabs who looted and destroyed the Russian economy - it was jews.

It isn't Arabs who have amassed an illegal arsenal of over 300 nuclear weapons in the Middle East - it is the jews.

It isn't Arabs who brag about controlling America - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who advocate the use of torture by and on Americans - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who twist American laws to punish anti-semitical speech - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs endeavoring to get America to outlaw anti-semitical speech - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who sell goods that it is illegal in America to boycott - it is Israeli jews.

It isn't Arabs who extort "fees" for allowing their kosher label on goods - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who retaliate against rock-throwing children by shooting them in the head - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs stealing land in Palestine - it is jews.

It wasn't Arabs who ran down Rachel Corrie with a bulldozer - it was a jew.

It isn't Arabs who have caused America to spend $2.5 trillion ($31,250 per American family) in the Middle East - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who send teams of trained assassins into foreign countries, including America, to kill people with whom Israel disagrees - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who run the ADL, which maintains dossiers on thousands of law-abiding American citizens, for the purpose of punishing those with whom they disagree - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who break into and enter the offices and homes of law-abiding American citizens, to procure evidence both for their database and in the hopes of getting evidence they can pass to the FBI for prosecution - it is jews.

It isn't Arabs who have caused America to go from being the most-loved country in the world to the most hated - it is jews.

Finally, though most won't believe it (all the preceding are facts - provable facts):

It isn't Arabs who regularly phony up "hate crimes" against themselves - it is jews.

It wasn't Arabs who caused the Great Depression - it was jews.

It wasn't Arabs who started WWI - it was jews.

It wasn't Arabs who started WWII - it was jews.

It wasn't Arabs who killed JFK - it was jews.

It wasn't Arabs who demolished the World Trade Center - it was jews.

It isn't Arabs bent upon destroying Christianity - it is jews.

And, lest we forget:

It wasn't Arabs who had Jesus Christ crucified - it was jews


A wingnut is still a wingnut, whether the cut of that wingnut's threads are to the left or the right.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 03:45 pm
I'm through with this thread - Hysteria's a-building.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 05:24 pm
Hysteria, from both sides, is the whole problem. The polarization all but precludes proactive address of the core issues, IMO.
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pistoff
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 05:55 pm
Free Speech.
That does test the limits. After the 1st few I just skipped the rest. Whoever wrote that is a nutcase, hate filled moron. Unfortunately, there are millions on our planet. Sad
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 06:15 pm
While it would be no problem to dredge up similar sewage from The Left, that's from a self-proclaimed "Conservative", pistoff ... we have our embarrassments too.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 06:40 pm
timber

I see no problem in posting that Steele piece above. It is salutary to understand the variant ideas that are floating about in the culture, and anti-semites are still with us.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 07:30 pm
We also have anti-Muslims, anti-blacks, anti-Asians, anti-whites, anti-Hispanics, anti-christians, anti-Germans, anti-English, anti-French, anti-Italians, anti-(include any religion here), and anti-humans. They are still all with us. I don't think any one of them will disappear any time soon.
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Suzette
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 07:34 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
Can there ever be a meeting of minds here? There could. It would mean on our side abandoning the experiment known as Israel, and acknowledging that the Arabs control the oil. On their side it would mean guaranteeing the security of all the people of the land of Palestine, and access to oil for all who wanted it. Will it ever happen? Will it ****. Expect many more cars of death.



In 1920, the British obtained Israel from the defeated Turks, acting as trustees under the League of Nations Mandate.

According to the CIA, the British Secret Services smuggled in terrorists, weapons, and agent provocateurs to incite and murder Jews in an attempt to destabilize, discredit and discourage the Zionist establishment.

During the Holocaust, the British army in Israel fired on ships bringing Jews form Europe, and set them back to the Nazi inferno.

At the same time the British secretly smuggled in 200,000 Arabs. Of the 1,303,000 Arabs living in Israel West Bank and Gaza in 1947, a total of 1,000,000 were either illegally brought in or born to those brought in, after the start of Zionist development in 1882.

In 1948, the UN classified as "refugees" Arabs who had lived in Israel for two years. On May 14 of that year, Israel was "made" a state by the UN. A 2-state solution was offered; Israel agreed, the Arabs did not. The Arab states attacked Israel. They lost.

You can probably tell that I am offended by your referring to the 'abandoning' of the experiment known as Israel.'

To others who would like to do so as well, let's abandon the experiment known as the United States of America - the Native Americans, not to mention the Mexicans, are none too happy and our ancestors were not living on this land for thousands of years before our 'experiment'.

But, no, I realize, you're not anti-Semitic. Rolling Eyes
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Suzette
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 07:35 pm
Meanwhile, back in Iraq:

MOSUL, Iraq - Iraqi teenagers dragged two bloodied U.S. soldiers from a wrecked vehicle and pummeled them with concrete blocks Sunday, witnesses said, describing the killings as a burst of savagery in a city once safe for Americans.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=1&u=/ap/20031123/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 08:00 pm
suzette

As you likely know, Abba Eban would NOT be a fan of present Israeli policies.

It isn't a matter of 'abandoning' Israel. That's a straw man.
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Suzette
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 08:25 pm
Thank you for commenting, Blatham; however, Steve did suggest that as a part of a way to cure all the ills of the world... Confused
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 08:57 pm
In America, as elsewhere, the general irritability level keeps rising.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 10:19 pm
I have a yeast infection, and yet, it is not upermost on my mind.

suzette

It's a good idea to get clarification from steve. He's a bright fellow, but can't write worth a damn.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 10:30 pm
Sound's like a really good candidate for President ...considering.
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Suzette
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 10:32 pm
Blatham? Nah ... too Canadian :wink: !
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Suzette
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 10:33 pm
...or, just a bright fellow who can't write worth a damn?

Nah, too Canadian Laughing :wink: Cool !
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2003 11:17 pm
timberlandko wrote:
And, yeah, I know the official estimate is 70-110K. And yeah, I know it was on a weekday. Gather enough straw, and you can make a dog out of it.


Evil or Very Mad

See, thats why people get so pissed off at you, Timber. The sheer stubborn pettiness of your insistence on points, no matter how irrelevant, that have actually been proven wrong in this very thread just now. No, the official estimate is not "70-110K"; it had initially been 70K, but was then updated to 110K. Thats as per Scotland Yard itself.

Your general point is clear, and actually fair enough - this demo was significantly smaller than the previous ones. Bigger than had been expected, but still clearly down from before. That goes with the polls that show an up in approval of the war, too. Point made. And I'm sure that the point will neither gain nor lose value, to your mind, whether there were 70,000, 110,000 or 200,000 demonstrators there. There were no million anymore, nuff said.

So why this petty insistence on spinning these numbers, which yes, some of us do, silly us, care about, downwards even in the face of the offical assessments? Scotland Yard had first said 30K, then 70K, and in the end had to upgrade its estimation to 110,000 as the demonstration unexpectedly grew as it went along. In every single news report from after the demo was finished, whether from the right (Telegraph), center (BBC) or left (Guardian), you will find these updated figures.

So why your childish insistence on "know[ing] the official estimate is 70-110K"? Is it just cause you dont want to be seen backing down, even on something totally trivial? I mean, really - would it actually impact the point you were making in any way at all to just go - 'oh, yeh, I missed that - it was 110k in the end, then, was it? I must have gone by the old figures still' ... ? What else could it be - resentment? contempt? - that makes you review figures from left to right that each say something between 100,000 and 200,000, and still go - oh yeh, those 70-110K people ... Is it just that you are too tempted by the chance to gratuitously annoy those lefties here, even if it means you have to go against your own sources, even when its just on some tiny, trivial thing?

<shakes head> Its not just bias - it's petty malevalence, is my take. Of course we cant always be there to juxtapose the actual facts, or the full text, etc, with your latest spin, so I'm sure it'll happen many times again. The topic? Totally unimportant. The message? Clear: utter disrespect.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2003 04:10 am
Yes well some clarification is due

but I can't be bothered. I stick by everything I've written. Read it again.

There are strict laws in this country regarding incitement to racial hatred, and a good thing too in my opinion.

Anti semitism is a particularly odious form of racism, it is unacceptable.

It is also unacceptable to make or imply unfounded and completely baseless allegations of anti-semitism just as it is to make or spread false allegations of rape or fraud or any other serious offense.

Timber I would like to take you up on your challenge

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While it would be no problem to dredge up similar sewage from The Left
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Please give an example of blatant anti semitism from a recognised left wing or liberal source. [or to save posting another diatribe as above, just point to the source]
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2003 07:32 am
Hearts and minds .... hearts and minds



Quote:
US continues to humiliate Iraqis
By Lawrence Smallman

Monday 24 November 2003, 14:24 Makka Time, 11:24 GMT

US soldiers are now ordered to search even young schoolgirls


Pictures of US soldiers searching young girls on their way to class have provoked renewed international outrage.

Exclusive photos show US-led occupation forces frisking schoolgirls - a move condemned by the girls' parents and international human rights organisations alike.

One father, Abu Muhammad, told Aljazeera.net on Sunday that if he ever hears his daughter has been touched by American soldiers again, he would "not be responsible for the consequences".

"This humiliation has got to end now. I refuse to live like this. I'd rather die and I'll take a few soldiers with me - and that's a promise, not a threat."

US reaction

CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, is already conducting an investigation and seeking legal advice after previous Aljazeera.net pictures showed troops tying up little girls in their own home.

Washington CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper said such treatment of young children can only increase resentment of American troops in Iraq, a development that will "ultimately demoralise troops further".

But senior US officers continue to justify their actions, stressing children could be carrying explosives.

No comment

Bagging detainees is a source of
major Iraqi resentment
Central Military Command in Florida says the security of US soldiers comes before any "hearts and minds operation or the rights of Iraqi children".

Central Command refused to comment on the latest series of pictures, but two weeks ago Major David Farlow warned Aljazeera.net not to publish similar photos on this site.

"It would be irresponsible. I can't second guess what has happened here without knowing all the facts but US forces operating in Iraq have to use the appropriate level of restraint to the mission," he said at the time.

Covering up

In another heavily-criticised development, US-led occupation forces now regularly put bags over the heads of Iraqi detainees.

Forced to lie in the dust, even
simple searches humiliate
The blanket policy has become a regular occurrence at the time of arrest with no regard for whether the people detained are guilty of any crime or not.

US Rights advocates and lawyers believe Washington is quietly embracing this psychological torture as an acceptable means in its desperate search for information that may help crush Iraq's resistance movement.

The United States director of Physicians for Human Rights, Holly Burkhalter, condemns the policy as unacceptable.

But she said her government does not "have a policy on torture" and is pressing the Pentagon for assurances detainees will not continue to be treated in such a manner.

But there is no specific policy that defines the practice as torture.


http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/rdonlyres/87345F0A-10D1-440C-B643-6BF0D5C4C4CB/18553/2311190.jpg

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/rdonlyres/87345F0A-10D1-440C-B643-6BF0D5C4C4CB/18555/23111904.jpg
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2003 07:44 am
Thanks for that, nimh.

That was much, much more courteous than I could have ever managed.
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