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The UN, US and Iraq IV

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2003 04:39 pm
No. 1:

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39585000/jpg/_39585763_busharrival203.jpg
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Suzette
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2003 04:42 pm
I wonder if Charles is discussing a manservant or Camilla. If it is the manservant, I wonder if W is asking to join in. I wonder if Laura is wondering.

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2003 04:49 pm
Naughty, Suzette!
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Suzette
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2003 04:50 pm
Aw, shucks, Brand X, you're the real thing Embarrassed ... Twisted Evil
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Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2003 04:52 pm
Did I mention naughty is good? :wink:
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Suzette
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2003 04:53 pm
No, but I made that leap all by myself... :wink:
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2003 04:55 pm
Quote:
"overpaid, oversexed, and over here." Welcome to Britain, Mr. President!


A quotation -slightly :wink: shortened, I admit Laughing - from
A not-so-warm welcome for Bush
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2003 05:00 pm
Naughty, Suzette...royal small talk is strictly private.

Anyway just because Paul Smith was taped by Diana saying he was sodomised by Michael Fawcett, doesn't make it true, any more than saying he found Charles and Fawcett in bed when he took in Charles' breakfast.

But its quite fascinating tittle-tattle, and if it encourages George and Laura to spend as little time as possible at Fuckinghem Palace so much the better.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2003 05:06 pm
oops, how did that get past the censors? There was a spelling mistake, but what the hell, you all know it was an innocent typo.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2003 05:31 pm
Steve you Twisted Evil Laughing
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2003 05:33 pm
Walter, Sounds like something that echoes from WWII. Wink
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pistoff
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2003 05:47 pm
Blair and the stupid ass royals
I should spell doom for both but of course it won't. The Brits are stuck with both. Blair will survive and the royals will as well. The Brits are schizoid & can't shake their addictions to pomp etc.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2003 07:09 pm
Lightwizard wrote:
An undersize petard is scarcely entertaining.


well, i did literally laugh aloud at that one . . .



heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee . . .


good one, Boss . . .

okbye
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2003 07:15 pm
Rumor: Bush brought an interpretor along to help him with the language.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2003 07:18 pm
Surprise ...

The Guardian: Majority backs Bush visit as support for war surges

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[..] more people - 43% - say they welcome George Bush's arrival in Britain than the 36% who say they would prefer he did not come.

Labour voters are more enthusiastic about the visit than Tory voters. But it is only Liberal Democrats who are marginally more unhappy about his arrival, with 43% against and 39% willing to welcome him. A majority of "twentysomethings" welcome Mr Bush. Hostility is strongest amongst the over-65s. There is a clear gender gap in attitudes with a majority of men - 51% - welcoming the president's arrival, compared with only 35% of women. [..]

The ICM poll also uncovers a surge in pro-war sentiment in the past two months as suicide bombers have stepped up their attacks on western targets and troops in Iraq. Opposition to the war has slumped by 12 points since September to only 41% of all voters. At the same time those who believe the war was justified has jumped 9 points to 47% of voters.

This swing in the mood of British voters is echoed in the poll's finding that two-thirds of voters believe British and American troops should not pull out of Iraq now but instead stay until the situation is "more stable".
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2003 07:19 pm
On a completely off topic note, Eric Knight wrote an amusing short story in 1938, entitled All Yankees Are Liars, about an American tourist in a Yorkshire pub, and based entirely upon the differences in the English and American languages.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2003 07:25 pm
Operation 'iron hammer' is turning out to be operation 'blow up more stuff to rebuild'.

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Baghdad Burning


Tuesday, November 18, 2003

Difficult Days...
They've been bombing houses in Tikrit and other areas! Unbelievable… I'm so angry it makes me want to break something!!!! What the hell is going on?! What do the Americans think Tikrit is?! Some sort of city of monsters or beasts? The people there are simple people. Most of them make a living off of their land and their livestock- the rest are teachers, professors and merchants- they have lives and families… Tikrit is nothing more than a bunch of low buildings and a palace that was as inaccessible to the Tikritis as it was to everyone else!

People in Al Awja suffered as much as anyone, if not more- they weren't all related to Saddam and even those who were, suffered under his direct relatives. Granted, his bodyguards and others close to him were from Tikrit, but they aren't currently in Tikrit- the majority have struck up deals with the CPA and are bargaining for their safety and the safety of their families with information. The people currently in Tikrit are just ordinary people whose homes and children are as precious to them as American homes and children are precious to Americans! This is contemptible and everyone thinks so- Sunnis and Shi'a alike are shaking their heads incredulously.

And NO- I'm not Tikriti- I'm not even from the 'triangle'- but I know simple, decent people who ARE from there and just the thought that this is being done is so outrageous it makes me want to scream. How can that ass of a president say things are getting better in Iraq when his troops have stooped to destroying homes?! Is that a sign that things are getting better? When you destroy someone's home and detain their family, why would they want to go on with life? Why wouldn't they want to lob a bomb at some 19-year-old soldier from Missouri?!

The troops were pushing women and children shivering with fear out the door in the middle of the night. What do you think these children think to themselves- being dragged out of their homes, having their possessions and houses damaged and burned?! Who do you think is creating the 'terrorists'?!! Do you think these kids think to themselves, "Oh well- we learned our lesson. That's that. Yay troops!" It's like a vicious, moronic circle and people are outraged…

The troops are claiming that the attacks originate from these areas- the people in the areas claim the attacks are coming from somewhere else… I really am frightened of what this is going to turn into. People seem to think that Iraq is broken into zones and areas- ethnically and religiously divided. That's just not true- the majority of people have relatives all over Iraq. My relatives extend from Mosul, all the way down to Basrah- we all feel for each other and it makes decent people crazy to see this happening.

There have also been a string of raids all over Baghdad, but especially in Al-A'adhamiya. They've detained dozens of people with the excuse that they own more than one weapon. Who owns less than two weapons? Everyone has at least one Klashnikov and a couple of guns. Every male in the house is usually armed and sometimes the females are too. It's not because we love turning our homes into arsenals, but because the situation was so dangerous (and in some areas still is) that no one wants to take any risks. Imagine the scene: a blue mini-van pulls up… 10 dirty, long-haired men clamber out with Klashnikovs, pistols and grenades and demand all the gold and the kids (for ransom). Now imagine trying to face them all with a single handgun… if Baghdad were SECURE people would give up their weapons. I hate having weapons in the house.

I'm so tired. These last few days have been a strain on every single nerve in my body. The electricity has been out for the last three days and while the weather is pleasant, it really is depressing.

No one knows why the electricity is out- there are murmurings of storms and damage to generators and sabotage and punishment… no one knows exactly what's going on. There are explosions everywhere. Yesterday it was especially heavy. Today there was a huge explosion that felt like it was nearby but we can't really tell. How do you define a war? This sure as hell feels like war to me… no electricity, water at a trickle, planes, helicopters and explosions.

We didn't send the kids to school today. My cousin's wife spent last night talking about horrible premonitions and it didn't take much to convince my cousin that they would be better off at home.

It's hard for adults without electricity, but it's a torment for the kids. They refuse to leave the little pool of light provided by the kerosene lamps. We watch them nervously as they flit from candlelight to lamplight, trying to avoid the dark as much as possible. I have flashes of the children knocking down a candle, hot, burning wax, flames… I asked the 7-year-old the other night if she was afraid of 'monsters' when she shied away from a dark room. She looked at me like I was crazy- monsters are for losers who don't need to fear war, abductions and explosions.

We (5 houses in the neighborhood) all chipped in and bought a generator immediately after the war. What we do now is 2 houses get enough electricity for some neon lights, a television, a refrigerator and a freezer. We asked them to 'save our electricity up' and give us a couple of hours after futtoor and that's how I'm typing now. But my time is almost up and I'm afraid if the electricity goes off suddenly, it'll damage my computer.

E. and I hang out on the roof after futtoor and only duck inside when the helicopters begin hovering above. We watch the main street from the roof. One of the merchants has a little generator and he sets up chairs outside of his shop, in front of a small black and white tv. The guys in the neighborhood all stream towards the lights like ants towards a sticky spot. They sit around drinking tea, and chatting.

You really can't appreciate light until you look down upon a blackened city and your eyes are automatically drawn to the pinpoints of brightness provided by generators… it looks like the heavens have fallen and the stars are wandering the streets of Baghdad, lost and alone.

I have to go now. Hope the electricity is back tomorrow, at least.



- posted by river @ 10:52 PM


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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2003 08:45 pm
Steve -- In another conversation I can explain how I have had some acquaintance with their royal h's (back in the days before Diana and controversy), and understand what you are saying. We know she has to bend to custom and the Prime Minister. But this de facto involvement in a very dicey and dubious matter of the alliance between Blair and Bush can't help. I don't have a problem with the end of the monarchy either, but I'd prefer a kind of Danish or Dutch generation followed by gentle demise. She is a believer, does work hard, and is bound to be disturbed by the unending horribilis.

A "state visit" is defined as a visit in which the monarch herself has issued the invitation. According to an amusing professor on NPR this afternoon, hairs are split by those who like splitting hairs in these matters (or for whom it serves a purpose), but Wilson's visit was considered a state visit at the time and stands as such.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2003 09:19 pm
Sure, its an editing error on the part of The Plain Dealer, but this is a hoot ...enjoy Laughing

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Meanwhile, the tape attributed to Saddam urged Iraqis to escalate attacks against the occupation and "agents brought by foreign armies" - an apparent reference to Iraqis supporting the coalition.

The speaker on the tape, aired on Al-Arabiya television, said the only way to end the chaos in Iraq was for Saddam and his Baath party to return to power ...

... The voice in the recording resembled Saddam's, but was huskier and the speaker seemed tired. "The evil ones now find themselves in crisis, and this is God's will for them," said Daschle, a South Dakota Democrat.
The only solution for Iraq, the speaker said, was for "the zealous Iraqi sons, who ran its affairs and brought it out of backwardness . . . to return . . . to run its affairs anew," he said, referring to the Baath leadership.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2003 09:30 pm
It was updated, corrected, Timber. But it was a funny one. Perhaps Daschle was referring to Bush and Iraq?
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