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The UN, US and Iraq IV

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 06:54 am
Italgato wrote:
I most respectfully must point out that it is possible that President Bush is wasting American money and British money by utilizing such a large force for security.


Well, that's exactly what most Britains think.


Clinton, btw, has never been on a state visit to Britain.

The last US-American president on state visit to the United Kingdom was Reagan.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 07:16 am
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Two members of the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency involved in questioning scientists in custody told AP the Iraqis continue to deny the existence of illicit weapons programs in Iraq. Dozens of Iraqi scientists have been questioned and less than 30 remain in custody. All of them, including senior members of Saddam's regime, have been subjected to lie-detector tests, which have come up clean on weapons questioning, the DIA officers said.
http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2003/11/16/scientist/index.html
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 07:26 am
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Study: No sign Saddam transferred WMD

Nov. 16, 2003 | WASHINGTON (AP) -- A new study by an independent military and intelligence expert who toured Iraq recently found no evidence that Saddam Hussein tried to transfer weapons of mass destruction to terrorists.

Anthony Cordesman, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, met with top U.S. officials in Iraq, including David Kay, the CIA representative leading the search for chemical, biological and other unconventional weapons...

"No evidence of any Iraqi effort to transfer weapons of mass destruction technology or weapons to terrorists. Only possibility was Saddam's Fedayeen, and talk only," Cordesman wrote of his briefing with Kay. The Fedayeen is the deposed leader's former paramilitary force.
http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2003/11/16/wmd/index.html
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Sofia
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 07:37 am
Kennedy was fond of riding with the top down--and that should be enough said.

London is purportedly home to al-quaida cells. It shouldn't scare off a US president--but he shouldn't be careless, either, IMO.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 07:39 am
I think it's been demonstrated that GWB has enormous concern for his own safety -- girlish panic could describe his reaction to 9/11. The safety of others? Now THERE's a deficit in his moral make-up.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 07:45 am
Bush's 911 behavior was protocol. Risking the Presidency during an attack for appearance's sake would have been stupid.

If he had found a way to circumvent the Secret Service, and made some bravado appearance somewhere, you'd be criticising that... only, I'd be agreeing with you.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 07:48 am
Well, some UK-citizens - namely the readers of Britain's tabloid The Sun - today not only know more about SARINA, 20, from London (on the famous PAGE 3) but also exclusively

http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2003530606,00.jpg


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full article. Bush: Your troops did not die in vain
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the prince
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 07:55 am
Since only brain dead people will believe Bush, the SUN was the right choice for an interview.....
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 08:00 am
blatham wrote:
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Study: No sign Saddam transferred WMD

Nov. 16, 2003 | WASHINGTON (AP) -- A new study by an independent military and intelligence expert who toured Iraq recently found no evidence that Saddam Hussein tried to transfer weapons of mass destruction to terrorists.

Anthony Cordesman, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, met with top U.S. officials in Iraq, including David Kay, the CIA representative leading the search for chemical, biological and other unconventional weapons...

"No evidence of any Iraqi effort to transfer weapons of mass destruction technology or weapons to terrorists. Only possibility was Saddam's Fedayeen, and talk only," Cordesman wrote of his briefing with Kay. The Fedayeen is the deposed leader's former paramilitary force.
http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2003/11/16/wmd/index.html


Wouldn't you think that with the number of terrorist now present in Iraq and given the connections such groups surely would have ..... if there were WMDs in Iraq, they would be in the possession of those groups? Further, given the lack of concern for their's and other's lives .... wouldn't they have used them by now?
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 08:02 am
That is sooooooo pathetic. The asshole has done fuckall to comfort any one of the families back in the US because hhe doesn't want to be 'positioned' with failure and death of Americans.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 08:09 am
What is a President expected to do in the way of comfort to family of killed service personnel?
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Brand X
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 08:12 am
Act like a Drama Queen?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 08:17 am
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"They didn't die for a noble cause, they died for Bush's political reasons, they were just sacrificial lambs."

Reg Keys, father of Lance Corporal Keys, who is among those killed UK-soldiers.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 08:26 am
Visit some families, perhaps? Attend some funerals, perhaps? Make a public and personal speech to all the families, perhaps?

Again, you guys excuse behavior which is morally repugnant and totally self-serving. He is not doing what he should do (anything!) because it might cost votes.

Even if he had served (he or almost anyone around him) and put himself at risk instead of doing the spoiled rich-boy cocaine snorting party circuit, this strategy would be disgusting.

Try to imagine what John McCain thinks of this asshole.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 08:33 am
"So its actually a bit of an oddity, that Bush won't be seen with the families of his own soldiers who died for his own country on his own orders - wont be seen with their coffins or graves - but will now be meeting the families of British servicemen who died."


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This is as repugnant as it is obviously phoney.


I don't understand this comment pisstoff.


Number of police in London now upped from 5000 to 14000. Security threat status upgraded to "Severe General", (second highest from specific attack imminent). Demonstrators expected from all over the world. Security people are in a state of panic, not helped by American secret service agents "assuming" control, and generally getting up people's noses with their high handed manner.

Meanwhile the Mayor (Ken Livingstone) is demanding demonstrators must be given an opportunity of peaceful protest..which is probably a formula for the exact opposite. It sounds like its going to be fun. Highpoint possibly the toppling of a statue of His Impervious Majesty in Trafalgar Square.

But I have decided the best protest I can make is not to show up. Evil or Very Mad I will read hear or see nothing of this earth shattering event until Friday when Airforce One is climbing to 10,000 feet on a bearing of 255 degrees, and a tearful Tony Blair is in his motorcade heading back to Downing Street.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 08:35 am
I was thinking about that the other day when I heard McCain interviewed at some length on NPR. Very tightly wound. What would happen if McCain were to throw his hat into the ring now?

Blatham -- you also write: "...you guys excuse behavior which is morally repugnant and totally self-serving." Which is why I ask myself, daily, how is it possible to respect those -- here in A2K and elsewhere -- who ally themselves with this kind of repugnant behavior? These toadies, in turn, confuse our repugnance with some sort of rejection of conservatism. They are wrong. There is nothing in the least "conservative" about Bush and one can only come to the conclusion that they are not only allies of immorality but incredibly stupic.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 08:36 am
Sofia wrote:
What is a President expected to do in the way of comfort to family of killed service personnel?


How about telling the freaking truth!!
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Sofia
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 08:39 am
Blatham--
Bush visits military installations pretty frequently, and thanks the families for their sacrifices--the ones who have lost family members, and those who haven't.

Watching the crowds, they seem to be one of his strongest voting blocks.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 08:45 am
Thanks for the Sun headline Walter. I'm sure we will wallop the wallabies. Magnificent victory over the French yesterday.

But as Gautam said, the Sun is a good choice for Bush's address to the people because most Sun readers don't actually read, prefering to "look" at the pretty pictures of Sonia, 20 from London, on page 3. Rolling Eyes
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2003 08:46 am
Sofia

Your president is not going to some military installations, he's invited a couple of families to met him
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Q: May I just begin by asking what you hope to take away from the visit? And, in particular, can I ask you what message you will have for families of the British servicemen who have been killed in Iraq?

THE PRESIDENT: Sure.

Q: Because I gather you'll get to meet.

THE PRESIDENT: I am going to meet some. Look, there's two messages. One, the prayers of the American people and the prayers of the President are with them, as they suffer. I believe in prayer. I believe that there is a comforting and healing Almighty, and I'll ask that their souls be comforted.

Secondly, that I will tell them that their loved one did not die vain. The actions we have taken will make the world more secure and the world more peaceful in the long run; that a free Iraq, free of weapons of mass destruction, free of tyranny, is not only good for the long-suffering Iraqi people -- which, in itself, is important -- but is going to be good for the long-term for countries which love freedom. Can you imagine the historic change, the landmark moment that is taking place now, where we've got a free -- a country which is emerging to be free and peaceful in the midst of a part of the world where violence and tyranny and terror have reigned.

And I view this as an historic moment, and I will share with them -- just like I share with our own families here -- a deep grief, my sorrow for the sacrifice, but the fact that what is taking place today is a noble cause.
source: Transcript of Roundtable Interview of the President by British Print Journalists
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