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Hillary Clinton for President - 2008

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 05:15 pm
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From: Senator Joe Lieberman

Date: June 5th, 2008

Today, I asked Senator McCain if I could create and chair a new grassroots organization, "Citizens for McCain."

http://www.washingtonindependent.com/view/lieberman-e-mail



http://citizens.johnmccain.com

Laughing

The radicals in the DNC just keep alienating all the moderates.....
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 05:22 pm
Even on the very last day of the campaign, when Montana and South Dakota went to the polls, Bill still thought he could get his wife the nomination through bullying:

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Another member of the inner circle described Bill Clinton as coming "unhinged" in the final hours, raising his voice in phone calls with superdelegates, constantly revisiting his wife's options for staying in the race. "He keeps asking me, 'What about so-and-so? What about so-and-so?' " the supporter recalled, saying the former president wanted constant updates on superdelegate moves.

He'd been egged on by poisonous advisers like Penn, of course, who'd been put at distance from the campaign's heart far too late:

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Penn also thought a far more aggressive strategy was needed in the effort to corral superdelegates. "Brute force" was his recommendation.

That's both from this WaPo story.

In short - the Clinton campaign had the establishment support from the start. But it managed to alienate much of that same establishment during the campaign, by the way it dealt with party prominents and superdelegates, and by the way they ran the campaign itself. An example of the latter is how Obama bagged the early endorsement of Kennedy after the way the Clintons dealt with race in the run-up to the SC primary turned him off. An example of the former is how Bill Richardson recounted the two campaigns' approaches to him once he dropped out of the race.

The Clintons basically thought that the establishment was theirs, belonged to them, and that they were still in a position to will and bully it into doing its bidding. Instead, that same behaviour just made party prominents all the more eager to jump onto the Obama bandwagon as soon as it became clear that he was firing up the voters. For that, the Clintons have noone but themselves to blame.

From the New York Times:

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superdelegates were showing an independence that the Clinton campaign had not counted on, not quite buying her argument that she was more electable than Mr. Obama. [..]

The Clintons certainly tried, interviews with two dozen superdelegates found. Many said that the Clintons had intensely pressured them and that their endorsements became a test of personal loyalty, subject to a hard sell. At the same time, many said they were drawn to the Obama campaign's excitement. [..]

Patsy Arceneaux, a National Committee member from Louisiana who had a friendship with the Clintons, was persuaded early this year to support Mrs. Clinton. But when Mr. Clinton made what she saw as racially inflammatory comments in South Carolina, Ms. Arceneaux said she developed serious misgivings about supporting Mrs. Clinton.

After switching to Mr. Obama two weeks ago, the Clinton campaign bombarded her with dozens of calls, she said. "You can't imagine how stressful this has been," Ms. Arceneaux said. "It had gotten to where my life had just been taken over by this."

Debbie Marquez, a superdelegate from Colorado, said she had made up her mind to shift to Mr. Obama, largely because he opposed the Iraq war from the start. The ex-president called and talked for 45 minutes, she said.

"When people talk about the finger wagging and lecturing in his speeches, I kind of felt that was going on over the phone," Ms. Marquez said.

In the end, she was not swayed.


You know, the feeling I get from all these stories is that the Clintons were in a position of overriding power for so long, they were like some long-seated executive of a corporation. They are so utterly used to getting their way no matter what, to being able to bully or intimidate just about anyone into submission if necessary, they were just unprepared for the situation that arose this year. A situation where, in Obama, they had found an equal. And wherein they thus needed to rely on sheer persuasion rather than orders. Where they had to fight for hearts and minds, because strongarming just didnt work if there was an equally powerful opponent in the race.

If you're the supreme boss, whether you're Bush or Murdoch, you can yell at people without suffering from it. But if there's an attractive alternative, you've got to actually win people over. And they couldnt. They'd just unlearnt how to do that. I mean, here's that telling Richardson quote again:

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Their manner of courtship -- one wooing, the other arm-twisting -- seemed to reflect the candidates' different personalities and campaign styles, he said.

Obama preferred the soft sell, calling Richardson every three days or so -- "dialing the phone himself, no operator" -- for long discussions about policy and campaign issues. The two developed a bantering relationship, building on the camaraderie they shared off-camera during debates [..].

Clinton was more persistent and tactical. There were eight or more phone calls a day, Richardson said: "Bill calling, Hillary calling, friends of mine that were in the Clinton administration, Clinton operatives, Clinton Hispanic operatives, New Mexico Clinton Hispanic operatives."

Some callers, who suggested Richardson had an obligation to back Clinton, did more harm than good. "I think the Clintons have a feeling of entitlement . . . that the presidency was theirs," Richardson said, and the persistent lobbying from "Washington establishment types" convinced him of a need for some fresher faces on the scene. [..]


It's like - you take the executive top dog of a big corporate international, and you move him down to a mid-level management position, where he needs to work in a team. But you dont tell him about it. So he doesnt know, and just goes on as he always did - and soon, the tensions and resentments flare and everyone in the office starts really hating the guy. And he's just outraged because who do these people think they are? How can they just ignore him like that, or twist his words around, or gang up on him? He just doesnt have the skills for the situation anymore.

That seems to have been the case with the Clintons, and specifically with Bill.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2008 06:40 pm
oralloy wrote:
Quote:
From: Senator Joe Lieberman

Date: June 5th, 2008

Today, I asked Senator McCain if I could create and chair a new grassroots organization, "Citizens for McCain."

http://www.washingtonindependent.com/view/lieberman-e-mail



http://citizens.johnmccain.com

Laughing

The radicals in the DNC just keep alienating all the moderates.....


Just joined up -- told them I'd volunteer.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 09:10 am
cjhsa
cjhsa wrote:
You are special, your parents were retarded.
This election is like the special olympics, guaranteed, a retard is gonna win.


I've given your post insulting Bi-Polar-Bear considerable thought, trying to decide whether to respond to you by PM or on this site. Since you chose to insult him publicly, I will comment publicly.

Everyone on A2K who read BPB's posts know that he has devoted his life to his now adult son's ability to take care of himself. His son's brain was damaged at birth and he has struggled all of his life to learn. I guess you would call him a "retard."

For you to assert that BPB's "parents were retarded" and that a "retard" is gonna win the special olympics, was a vicious and obnoxious attack by you. You should be ashamed of yourself for your persistent attempts to denigrate A2K posters for the fun and sport of it.

cjhsa, you are the most unlikeable and disgusting poster on A2K. Your attack on BPB is just another example of your arrogance and viciousness. A2K would be a better place if you decided to take your viciousness somewhere else.

BBB
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 09:26 am
BBB thanks for the words of defense. My boy plays the hand he was dealt and he plays it pretty well.

On a different note..... I'd be willing to bet that cj wasn't attacking me personally through my son when he made that remark. That's more the domain of certain other posters.

In any case, it's water off a duck's back.

Your defensive post however was very kind.

((((((((((((((((((((BEAR HUG FOR BBB)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 09:32 am
Re: cjhsa
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
You are special, your parents were retarded.
This election is like the special olympics, guaranteed, a retard is gonna win.


I've given your post insulting Bi-Polar-Bear considerable thought, trying to decide whether to respond to you by PM or on this site. Since you chose to insult him publicly, I will comment publicly.

Everyone on A2K who read BPB's posts know that he has devoted his life to his now adult son's ability to take care of himself. His son's brain was damaged at birth and he has struggled all of his life to learn. I guess you would call him a "retard."

For you to assert that BPB's "parents were retarded" and that a "retard" is gonna win the special olympics, was a vicious and obnoxious attack by you. You should be ashamed of yourself for your persistent attempts to denigrate A2K posters for the fun and sport of it.

cjhsa, you are the most unlikeable and disgusting poster on A2K. Your attack on BPB is just another example of your arrogance and viciousness. A2K would be a better place if you decided to take your viciousness somewhere else.

BBB



I didn't know about BPB's child assuming but that cj did, this is beyond the pale. Regardless, cjhsa is obviously a very disturbed individual. His obnoxious posts reflect on him not the poster they are directed at.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 09:37 am
yes... just disgusting. A person like that would probably also try to insult me through insulting my spouse who I love. Physician heal thyself.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 09:39 am
Bear
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
yes... just disgusting. A person like that would probably also try to insult me through insulting my spouse who I love.


If cjhsa tried that tactic on Squinney, she would turn him into a dried up turd.

BBB
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 09:39 am
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/07/opinion/07collins.html?hp

There are a slew of these Hillary back pats floating around the Internet right now.....What utter BS. Hillary wants what Hillary wants, it is all about her just as everything is aways about her. There was nothing about what she injected into the national conversation during the last year that was helpful to the nation, and very little about her example that was helpful to the already discredited Feminist movement. For every older woman who she inspired I bet there are ten younger women who took from Hillary the revalidation of their already held opinion that they want nothing to do with feminism.

Hillary does not deserve kind words and respect, she deserves a swift kick to the curb.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 09:43 am
Re: Bear
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
yes... just disgusting. A person like that would probably also try to insult me through insulting my spouse who I love.


If cjhsa tried that tactic on Squinney, she would turn him into a dried up turd.

BBB


let's let this dog lie before it gets ugly. You know I have nothin' but love for you BBB.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 09:48 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
yes... just disgusting. A person like that would probably also try to insult me through insulting my spouse who I love. Physician heal thyself.



LOL don't dish it out if you can't take it. Any REAL woman would be horrified to be linked with someone who was so insulting toward women.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 09:51 am
you are hoisted by your own petard... attacking cj for exactly what you do. Please let's don't communicate.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 09:58 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
you are hoisted by your own petard... attacking cj for exactly what you do. Please let's don't communicate.


I only defend myself against t your false and disgusting libel. If you don't want to communicate, don't reply to my posts.

Until Squnney apologizes and denounces your insults toward me, I will continue to criticize her. If it weren't for us women,you men would be total boors.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 10:12 am
Roxxxanne wrote:
Until Squnney apologizes and denounces your insults toward me, I will continue to criticize her.


Well that's rational.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 11:22 am
A gracious end to a hard-fought campaign. I wish she had been the candidate she was today more often... but it was a very good end and deserving of high praise.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 11:32 am
sozobe wrote:
A gracious end to a hard-fought campaign. I wish she had been the candidate she was today more often... but it was a very good end and deserving of high praise.


I did not see it, but I see no accounts that have her talking about the great values that obama embodies, where she says that obama will make a wonderful president. She seemed stand-offish and polite, like her heart is not in supporting obama but that she is because she thinks she needs to do it. I want her to be passionate about the rightness of obama. she owes the party, and obama personally, that.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 11:35 am
No, it was good and heartfelt. She made "and that's why we need to help elect Barack Obama" a refrain at one point, said it several times in a row, more than I expected in fact.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 11:42 am
The only moment I really didn't like didn't come from Hillary but her audience. She set up a rhetorical call-and response about the readiness of a woman to become president (yes, a woman can be president) and the readiness of a black person to become president (yes, he can). After Hillary said the first part of "can a black person become president?," an adorable blonde tyke sitting on her dad's shoulders yelled "Noooo!" Gr.


Interesting analysis from Andrew Sullivan -- he's said the Salieri/ Mozart thing before, it's resonant:

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I think history will show that she didn't quite have the talent to do it on her own steam, but that she made it much easier for another woman to become president one day. Her two biggest problems: She first married a man who was her political superior and was then defeated by one. She is a very talented politician but it was her fate to find her career hemmed in by two even more talented ones: Bill and Barack. She made up for it all with enormous hard work, diligence and ruthlessness. At any other moment, she would have won. But this is history and politics at the highest level. You cannot defeat such a moment if you are a Salieri. And she had to deal with two Mozarts.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 12:18 pm
Well, thank god that's over, so the news media can now move on and focus on what's next.

And of course on CNN they're talking about Bobby Kennedy and Vietnam and how this election compares to 1968. Rolling Eyes
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jun, 2008 12:26 pm
From the Obama website:

http://www.barackobama.com/images/feature/08/06/05_thankyouhillary.jpg

It has a link to send her a thank-you email. I did.


I agree, Kicky. Looking forward to the general election -- it's already started of course, but hopefully that was the last of the loose ends.
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