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Abortion......What are the repercussions?

 
 
boomerang
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 02:12 pm
Sadly, my friend's experience was not some statistical blip:



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There are about 4.4 million confirmed pregnancies in the U.S. every year.

900,000 to 1 million of those end in pregnancy losses EVERY year.

More than 500,000 pregnancies each year end in miscarriage (occurring during the first 20 weeks).

Approximately 26,000 end in stillbirth (considered stillbirth after 20 weeks)



http://www.hopexchange.com/Statistics.htm

For you to say that every conception results in a living infant is absurd.
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squinney
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 02:27 pm
But, not quite as absurd as this earlier statement...

jasonrest wrote:


Lets think logically and objectively for a moment.
Once an egg has been fertilized and nothing or no one interferes from that point of conception on, this would of course result in a full grown infant, bursting into the world in no time.


Jason has obviously never experienced nine months of pregnancy.
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jasonrest
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 03:02 pm
boomerang wrote:
Sadly, my friend's experience was not some statistical blip:



Quote:
There are about 4.4 million confirmed pregnancies in the U.S. every year.

900,000 to 1 million of those end in pregnancy losses EVERY year.

More than 500,000 pregnancies each year end in miscarriage (occurring during the first 20 weeks).

Approximately 26,000 end in stillbirth (considered stillbirth after 20 weeks)



http://www.hopexchange.com/Statistics.htm

For you to say that every conception results in a living infant is absurd.


You're confusing the issue.
Unfortunately your friend had complications that compromised the pregnancy. I'm sorry.

Now, for a perfectly normal pregnancy with a perfectly normal baby, two minutes before that child was delivered, was it in fact alive?
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 03:20 pm
You're just a nut cake, sorry to say.

What has a termination of pregnancy to do with a birth? Nothing!

Exactly, so stick to your own topic which was about abortion. Better
yet, educate yourself - as in medical terminology, and please leave
your christians beliefs at home.

Furthermore, if you think that you can dictate us how to answer your
thread on a topic that is only of importance to women and their body,
then please go back to your drawing board and start again.

Actually, I am done here - your tone of conducting a discussion
is impertinent and ridiculous in itself.
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jasonrest
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 03:28 pm
CalamityJane wrote:
You're just a nut cake, sorry to say.

What has a termination of pregnancy to do with a birth? Nothing!

Exactly, so stick to your own topic which was about abortion. Better
yet, educate yourself - as in medical terminology, and please leave
your christians beliefs at home.

Furthermore, if you think that you can dictate us how to answer your
thread on a topic that is only of importance to women and their body,
then please go back to your drawing board and start again.

Actually, I am done here - your tone of conducting a discussion
is impertinent and ridiculous in itself.


You said something that was untrue.
I brought attention to it and you are unable to prove otherwise.

Your hole gets deeper every time you post.
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jasonrest
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 03:40 pm
Not in reference to everyone:
I understand that for some it's convenient to be of pro-choice, but you can't just huddle up, make mean faces, throw insults and expect things to fall into place.

You have to respectfully present your argument and support it with facts.
I am outnumbered yet, I respect all of your opinions while some have resorted to name calling and irrelevant jabs.
And, again very simple questions that I have asked have gone unanswered and been replaced with behavior already mentioned.

If someone would present a valid argument, and stay on topic, I would be more than happy to compare our opinions in a logical manner.
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TTH
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 03:49 pm
Good for you & nicely said Very Happy
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jasonrest
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 09:40 pm
Amazing...

If you have visited, with hopes of finding something relevant to the topic posted, I apologize but, if you would read over the material, it is still quite amusing to see those with so much emotion and hastiness in the beginning suddenly fade away when they meet a brick wall of sense and when asked to support their claims with facts, they call you a name and walk away.
Absolutely amazing.

Again, I invite anyone willing to converse on the matter.
I'm not looking for a fight.
I'm trying to prove a point and
those mentioned earlier only assisted in my endeavor.
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squinney
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 09:49 pm
Re: Abortion......What are the repercussions?
jasonrest wrote:
For all those who believe Abortion should be made illegal,
what do you suppose the repercussions should be?
"ABORTION"


What point?

Abortions shouldn't be illegal, but if they were I'd suggest that the repercussions be that everyone that voted for such a bill be made to start adopting.
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jasonrest
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 10:08 pm
Re: Abortion......What are the repercussions?
squinney wrote:
jasonrest wrote:
For all those who believe Abortion should be made illegal,
what do you suppose the repercussions should be?
"ABORTION"


What point?

Abortions shouldn't be illegal, but if they were I'd suggest that the repercussions be that everyone that voted for such a bill be made to start adopting.


The intent of the original post has transformed into this, which is common on forums.
In reference to your post, why should someone be punished for another's lack of planning.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 10:12 pm
jasonrest wrote:
Amazing...

If you have visited, with hopes of finding something relevant to the topic posted, I apologize but, if you would read over the material, it is still quite amusing to see those with so much emotion and hastiness in the beginning suddenly fade away when they meet a brick wall of sense and when asked to support their claims with facts, they call you a name and walk away.
Absolutely amazing.

Again, I invite anyone willing to converse on the matter.
I'm not looking for a fight.
I'm trying to prove a point and
those mentioned earlier only assisted in my endeavor.


Exactly how retarded are you?

I'm not being mean, I'm serious.

We have responded to every question you have asked in a lot of different ways.

Just becaue you cant see it doesn't mean we haven't done so.

Okay.

Let's see if I can be really clear:

A child is alive when it accepts (or can accept) nutrition from other source than it's umbilical cord.

That is my definiton of "live".


I completely understand that you may disagree but just because you say so doesn't make it true.
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jasonrest
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 10:25 pm
boomerang wrote:
jasonrest wrote:
Amazing...

If you have visited, with hopes of finding something relevant to the topic posted, I apologize but, if you would read over the material, it is still quite amusing to see those with so much emotion and hastiness in the beginning suddenly fade away when they meet a brick wall of sense and when asked to support their claims with facts, they call you a name and walk away.
Absolutely amazing.

Again, I invite anyone willing to converse on the matter.
I'm not looking for a fight.
I'm trying to prove a point and
those mentioned earlier only assisted in my endeavor.


Exactly how retarded are you?

I'm not being mean, I'm serious.

We have responded to every question you have asked in a lot of different ways.

Just becaue you cant see it doesn't mean we haven't done so.

Okay.

Let's see if I can be really clear:

A child is alive when it accepts (or can accept) nutrition from other source than it's umbilical cord.

That is my definiton of "live".


I completely understand that you may disagree but just because you say so doesn't make it true.


First, that statement was not in reference to you.
You were the only one worth talking to.
Second, all my questions were not answered.
I won't comment on that further, it's an insult.

Third, somehow this topic has changed into pro-choice vs. life and with that in mind considering your last statement, if that child is alive after the second tri and even earlier then.......At that point do you consider an abortion or partial abortion murder?
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boomerang
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 10:37 pm
I don't consider abortion murder at any point.

I think it is often ill considered at any point.

It is not something I would reccomend or urge someone to do at any point though it is something that I might counsel someone to consider.

And I have urged some to consider it.

And when they didn't I put my money where my mouth is and helped them try to raise their child.

And when they quit being able to try, I raised (am raising) their child.

When I say "Man Up" that's what I mean.

Quit wagging your finger and DO something.

I know, for a fact, that there are people on this thread who have given children to adoption and people who have adopted. I'll wager that there are some that have had abortions.

None of us are monsters.

All of us are humans.
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jasonrest
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 10:37 pm
So a child is not "alive" until it is able to sustain itself without the mom right?
So what is it before that moment?
http://abortiontv.com/images/11WeekAbortion.jpg
Edit [Moderator]: Image converted to a link

By the way 11 week olds have beating hearts,
and those look like legs and maybe arms too.
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jasonrest
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 10:41 pm
boomerang wrote:
I don't consider abortion murder at any point.


I don't understand.
If you consider something to be alive which you have said and purposely terminate that life then is that not murder?

If it is not murder then what exactly takes place?
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boomerang
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 10:43 pm
Seriously, you should stop that.

You want to see horror?

Let's talk about what people do to two year olds.

And three year olds.

And four year olds.

And five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, and onandonadnon year olds.

Honestly. Stop it. It's stupid and it doesn't serve your purpose.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 10:45 pm
Please don't give this sicko a platform to spread his pictures
and sick ideas. I reported the post with the faked picture.
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jasonrest
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 10:50 pm
boomerang wrote:
Seriously, you should stop that.

You want to see horror?

Let's talk about what people do to two year olds.

And three year olds.

And four year olds.

And five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, and onandonadnon year olds.

Honestly. Stop it. It's stupid and it doesn't serve your purpose.


Again, that's not relevant, there are all sorts of tangents we could go on but we are currently talking about abortion. Why is that considered "horror", its nothing.
It's not alive. It can't survive without its mom right? Its just a pile of tissue....
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jasonrest
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 10:51 pm
CalamityJane wrote:
Please don't give this sicko a platform to spread his pictures
and sick ideas. I reported the post with the faked picture.


hey jane,
how ya been?

Did you find evidence for that claim you made some pages back?
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 10:52 pm
I hope your time on this board is short.
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