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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2008 10:22 am
This is interesting! Very long (13 pages!) and I don't expect everyone to read all of it. But interesting, for me, in a few different ways. Reassuring, too.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-obamafullwebmar16,0,7569169.story?page=1

A quick summary of the Rezko parts (my own words):

The Obamas decided to buy a house and put their condo on the market. Michelle looked at several houses and narrowed things down to 4-6 to look at with Barack. They found the house they currently live in, and liked it. They entered into a standard negotiation with the house's owners.

The Obamas' real estate agent was concerned that the asking price was too high -- there was evidently some concern about how much higher they wanted to go in their offers. At this point, Barack though of Tony Rezko, as an old friend and real estate developer who knew his stuff. At the time his problems hadn't really broken yet. There were evidently some rumblings but Rezko denied it and, based on their previous ~15 relationship, which had been straightforward and relaxed, without Rezko asking Obama for favors or anything, Obama believed him. He accepts responsibility for that.

At this point, Rezko became interested in the empty lot next door. This was for sale, but separately; was not tied to the sale of the house in any way. Obama would have bought the house whether Rezko bought the neighboring lot or not.

Rezko, who is a developer after all, went ahead and purchased the neighboring lot, as a completely independent transaction. Obama was fine with that. The neighboring lot is evidently at the intersection of a fairly busy street -- Obama's lot/ house is one over from that. He liked the idea of more of a buffer from that intersection, more privacy.

Once these independent real estate deals took place -- Obama bought his house + lot, Rezko bought the empty lot, in separate deals (which the sellers confirm*, along with the fact that Obama didn't get a special or favorable price on the house) -- there was an issue with space for a playset/ swingset. Obama apparently pretty casually brought up the idea of buying a small swath from Rezko so there would be room for the playset. What happened then was a lot of t-crossing and i-dotting; lawyers were involved, blah blah blah, to make sure it was all fine and above-board.

As in, no special favors from Rezko, just a plain old above-board real-estate procedure with lots of oversight.

Obama does acknowledge that while it was above-board, the fact that he had any kind of a relationship with Rezko meant he should have been more careful. That's the "boneheaded" part, which he's said often.

*That was an interesting side-note -- the Trib seemed a little annoyed that he didn't just trot out the sellers earlier to put a lot of things to rest, and Obama pointed out that they valued their privacy and

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I'm just saying that, if you're not running for president, dealing with the national press is not something that people really look forward to. For me, it's great.


:-) (I'd love to see the facial expression that went along with that.)

That quote came at the end of explaining the various things the sellers have had to deal with since they did come forward (their 10-year-old being called by the media on her cell phone, a reporter showing up at their house at 9:30 PM, etc.)


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Anyway, that's a summary, one more thing I want to quote from the end (the interview didn't stick solely with Rezko stuff) :

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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2008 10:22 am
Did I say "quick"? Shocked At least it wasn't 13 pages...
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 16 Mar, 2008 06:25 am
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Earlier today, the Clinton campaign demanded that Barack Obama release all the documents pertaining to the purchase of his home in 2005 on a piece of land adjacent to land owned by Tony Rezko.

The Obama campaign's response: We already have!

Says Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor, "It's the height of hypocrisy for Senator Clinton to demand the release of documents that are already on our campaign website while she steadfastly refuses to release her full tax returns and earmark requests from her time in the Senate, as well as her White House records and Clinton library donors. Democrats across the country should be very concerned about Senator Clinton's refusal to offer a full and complete accounting of what could be lurking in this financial information and what that would mean for our party when we run against Senator McCain in November."


http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/obama_camp_we_did_that_already.html

(Link to the docs in question there, too.)
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 16 Mar, 2008 06:32 am
This was an enjoyable read from Cass R. Sunstein, one of Obama's University of Chicago law school colleagues.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-oped0314obamamar14,0,7185898.story

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This was a pretty amazing conversation, not only because of Obama's mastery of the legal details, but also because many prominent Democratic leaders had already blasted the Bush initiative as blatantly illegal. He did not want to take a public position until he had listened to, and explored, what might be said on the other side.

This is the Barack Obama I have known for nearly 15 years -- a careful and evenhanded analyst of law and policy, unusually attentive to multiple points of view.

[...]

Those of us who have long known Obama are impressed and not a little amazed by his rhetorical skills. Who could have expected that our colleague, a teacher of law, is able to inspire large crowds?

The Obama we know is no rhetorician; he shines not because he can move people, but because of his problem-solving abilities, creativity and attention to detail.

In recent weeks, his speaking talents, and the cultlike atmosphere that occasionally surrounds him, have led people to wonder whether there is substance behind the plea for "change" -- whether the soaring phrases might disguise emptiness and vagueness. But nothing could be further from the truth. He is most comfortable in the domain of policy and detail.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 16 Mar, 2008 06:55 am
A photo to go with the Chi Trib transcript:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2008-03/36775280.jpg
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 16 Mar, 2008 07:20 am
The impression I have -- and it's not a strong impression, don't quote me on it or anything -- is that the ChiTrib interview was conducted to assuage several people but especially John Kass. I keep reading stuff from him that is dismissive/ suspicious of Obama, and Obama mentioned him specifically in the interview. So I was curious about what Kass took away from it. Here 'tis:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kass_bd16mar16,0,5052229.column

There is a certain amount of snark, and it's irresponsible of him I think to repeat the "$300,000 less than the asking price" thing when the sellers have confirmed that no favors were done, that's just the price that was settled on after standard negotiations. (We also paid less than the asking price for our house, obviously we had a shady guy doing us a favor...) But overall it seems to concede that questions were answered.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 16 Mar, 2008 03:44 pm
Not really anything new here, but good overview (of the Rezko story) with lots of links:

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/03/politics-quick.html
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Sun 16 Mar, 2008 04:23 pm
http://www.newsweek.com/id/123604/page/1

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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2008 09:18 am
This is a minor point, but...

In the editorial after the big meeting with Obama, the Chi Trib says,

Chicago Tribune wrote:
Obama should have had Friday's discussion 16 months ago. Asked why he didn't, he spoke of learning, uncomfortably, what it's like to live in a fishbowl. That made him perhaps too eager to protect personal information -- too eager to "control the narrative."


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/chi-0316edit1mar16,0,745313.story

That's not what I got out of the exchange. The new information is mostly that the sellers confirm Obama's story. That the "$300,000 under the asking price" part had nothing to do with Rezko, that Rezko bought the adjoining lot completely independently, etc. What I saw with the "fishbowl" stuff is that he was trying to be respectful of the sellers and not demand that they corroborate what he was saying. Then they recently came forward.

That section:

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Tribune: I ask because again, the overriding question about all this and the one that you've been trying to address since the very beginning, but the one that's still lingering, is whether or not you and Tony coordinated the purchase of the home.

Obama: And I guess what I'm saying is, if we've got confirmation from the seller that the two transactions weren't related, that we in fact paid the best price, or gave them the best offer for the home, then why the thought that I coordinated would be relevant? Look, the overarching suspicion that has been raised by a number of reporters in this room is that there was some sort of subsidy of my house. If that is in fact not the case, then that should allay whatever concerns you have. Unless there is something that I'm missing.

Tribune: No sir, we have never communicated with the sellers and your transmissions of their e-mails to us is the first we've ever had of them.

Obama: I recognize that, and I should probably make mention of this: Part of the . . . difficulty that we've had on some of these responses has to do with the fact that the sellers are very private people and were not interested in being drawn into a media circus.

And just to give you some indication of what might prompt their concerns: One reporter got a hold of their 11-year-old daughter's cell phone and asked for them; one reporter showed up at their house at 9:30 at night; another somehow got through security at John Hopkins and started asking questions of the woman doctor who was on rounds there. And so, not surprisingly then, this was not something that they were eager to get involved with.

They are the ones, though, that did originally indicate to us when they first read the reports that this is just not accurate, and after some prodding, then we were able to get them to at least respond to a set of points that my lawyer laid out, my campaign lawyer laid out, so that they could confirm this. And again, this is subject to confirmation.

Tribune: I appreciate that, and I'm also . . our contact with them has been entirely respectful of their privacy.

Obama: No, this was not in any way suggesting that you guys hadn't been respectful. I'm just saying that, if you're not running for president, dealing with the national press is not something that people really look forward to. For me, it's great.


It seems far less to me like he was trying to "control the narrative" than that he was trying to be respectful. It was far more in his interest -- in terms of controlling the narrative and put this thing to rest -- to trot them out earlier.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2008 09:23 am
sozobe wrote:
This is a minor point, but...

In the editorial after the big meeting with Obama, the Chi Trib says,

Chicago Tribune wrote:
Obama should have had Friday's discussion 16 months ago. Asked why he didn't, he spoke of learning, uncomfortably, what it's like to live in a fishbowl. That made him perhaps too eager to protect personal information -- too eager to "control the narrative."


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/chi-0316edit1mar16,0,745313.story

That's not what I got out of the exchange.


No, me either. I got that he thought they HAD had the conversation and that he didn't think there was much of anything new about it except to convince the Tribune that they had had the conversation. And after reading the whole transcript, I have to agree with him. I kept coming to the conclusion that the facts that were given in this interview could have been tracked down by an investigative journalist.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2008 09:25 am
This exchange might be the one they were (mis?)characterizing.

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And the fact is my answers really haven't changed much, and so, so to that extent I think a part of the reason we didn't have this conversation was, the feeling was maybe we had the conversation. What had changed was not so much my answers but that it looked like now I was really a viable presidential candidate and Tony Rezko had been indicted.

So that it was the circumstances of the individuals had changed instead of the story. So having said that, as I said before, part of our difficulty was that the sellers were very reticent to come forward, and so I think, clearly disputing the implications or the appearances and other stuff, other than simply telling things that had gone on, and it wasn't clear that we had no new information to provide.

You know, [Tribune editor] Anne Marie [Lipinski] asked what it is that I've learned. Learning the relationship with the press in a national campaign is a challenge. I mean, I mean, I will say this, that there's no experience similar to this in terms of living in the fish bowl. And there are times where very legitimate and fair questions are raised about my inconsistencies, contradictions or foibles.

There are times where, you know, folks are just picking at you, you know, because they need some copy. And so what it can induce is a mentality of let's be very protective of information for interviews and access so we can control the narrative a little more. That's something we have to be careful of, not just as a candidate but presumably even more so as a president because what you want to do is balance, not responding to every reporter out there, maintaining a sense of openness and accessibility and a willingness to engage the criticisms that are made. And that's something that we're still learning as a team.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2008 09:28 am
Right, that's another important point. He'd already released important stuff (did you see the thing where Hillary demanded that he release something and he said "we already have -- it's been on our website for a while now!" [paraphrase]), had already explained important things, had already given all the important pieces of the puzzle. The only thing remaining was confirmation from the sellers, and he was reluctant to force them. That makes sense to me, and isn't some "why didn't you just set this straight 16 months ago" case.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 19 Mar, 2008 12:59 pm
I have been trying to find a poll for Obama after the speech, the best i could find is this live MSNBC poll


It would be interesting to see if the public bought it.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 10:01 am
Good collection of links -- basically a greatest-hits tally of the Clinton campaign thus far:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/26/104555/955/7/484087
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snood
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 01:37 pm
Sozobe! You're back! (but you probably already knew that Very Happy )

Man, they've been stinking it up over on your 'Obama 08' thread. Hopefully out of deference to you, they'll ease up on the muckracking now that you're back...


or, not...
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 03:20 pm
snood wrote:
Sozobe! You're back! (but you probably already knew that Very Happy )


Laughing In truth, I'm only back-ish -- lots of catching up to do after my trip (with work, etc.) and probably will be scarce for a while.

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Man, they've been stinking it up over on your 'Obama 08' thread. Hopefully out of deference to you, they'll ease up on the muckracking now that you're back...


or, not...


Yeah, I'm thinking of saying something general there, not sure. Not so bad right now.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 04:29 pm
Good to have you back, Soz. Glad your house was dry. I worried about your house during the worst of the floods in the region.

How was Florida? What's the word on the ground there? Is there as much Democratic disfranchisement as Hillary wants people to believe? Do Floridians accept any responsibility for the problem themselves or blame it all on the DNC?
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 07:06 pm
Yeah Soz, we've been missing you! I'd noticed you werent here for a coupla days, hoped you were taking a well-deserved break somewhere nice ;-)

And yeah, the Obama thread's gone to hell.

Meanwhile, no comment on this anecdote Shocked Razz

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Read this story posted earlier by pstalmer on a different page:

Favorite campaign story so far: On an NPR talk show a couple of days ago, a nursing-home chaplain called to report her political conversation with an elderly white gentleman. He asked, "Who's that n----- that's running?"

The chaplain said on the air, "Well, we're chaplains; we're not supposed to correct our people." So she said to the man, "That's Barack Obama, the black man who's running for president."

"Right," said the old guy. "That's who I'm voting for."
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2008 10:10 am
This is a very good column...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/27/AR2008032702614.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2008 12:59 pm
Whoa, nimh.

Dropping by with this -- I've seen it come up a few times.

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Statement Regarding Barack Obama

The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer."

From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.


http://www.law.uchicago.edu/media/index.html

Butrflynet, this is what I wrote on the Obama thread when I first got back (Wednesday):

sozobe wrote:
Briefly -- I was way, WAY out of the loop for about a week and had conversations with relatives that had me spooked about Obama's chances. One (F) leans Hillary but was considering Obama; one (M) leans McCain but was also considering Obama. Both 60-ish. Both were spouting all this stuff about Obama and Wright and Farrakhan and blah blah blah that had me really worried. (The good news -- my cousin the Obama supporter and I took the opportunity to disabuse these relatives of several false notions. Plus, I talked about the "sniper fire in Bosnia" thing and they didn't quite believe me and then like the next day it was big news everywhere... finally.)

Anyway, I was relieved that when I came up for air (and internet access) things didn't actually seem so bad. Way better than I feared, and some room for optimism.


Also, I talked about the "Hillary making speeches in favor of NAFTA" thing, which was also news shortly thereafter (or at least I saw more about it after than before).

I really only talked to them, though, (plus my already-strong-Obama-supporter cousin) so don't have much of a feel for Florida in general. Main thing I noticed about local Florida newspapers (when I scanned headlines) was that there wasn't much political stuff, at all. My cousin gets the NYT and that's all the political info I got when I was there, pretty much.

I also hadn't talked to the FL relatives (except cuz) about any of this beforehand, and don't know what they were thinking previously/ how much of a change their concern represented. Nor how lasting it will be. I might follow up.

This isn't Florida but on the general subject, my F-I-L is interested in Obama -- now -- which I see as a really good sign. He's voted Republican for as long as I've known him but says he thinks Obama is a good guy. (Hated Gore, hated Kerry.)
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