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sozobe
 
Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 07:46 am
I've been reading scads and scads of stuff about the 2008 presidential campaign and it just keeps happening that I read something, then 2-3 days later I want to refer to it but I can't retrace my steps well enough to find it. I do put a lot of links to stuff I find interesting in appropriate threads, but sometimes a given link doesn't go anywhere in particular (thematically-speaking), or I haven't yet read it thoroughly and critically and I don't necessarily want to put it someplace to support a point, if I'm not sure I can stand behind it.

So this will be a place for me to plonk things, with a brief description so I know what it is and can hopefully find it back if I want to.

I'm making this for myself, so if you're not interested in reading or commenting, that's fine! If you ARE interested in reading or commenting, that's also fine.
 
sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 07:52 am
Hillary's "experience" lie, by Timothy Noah:

http://www.slate.com/id/2182073
Takes on the whole "35 years of experience" meme, with some interesting commentary on how she lost his nascent support.

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But I'd never felt the large emotions she seemed to stir in others. New York's junior senator wants to be president? Fine, I thought. Let's hear her pitch. Because she was still a relative newcomer to government service, I assumed that, more than most presidential candidates, Clinton would recognize the need to give voters a reason to vote for her. I waited expectantly to discover what that reason might be.

I never dreamed the reason would be "experience." More astonishing still, the public seems to be buying it.
According to a new New York Times/CBS News poll, 79 percent of all Democratic primary voters believe that Hillary Clinton has "prepared herself well enough for the job of President," compared with only 40 percent for Obama. "Experience Counts" declared the headline of a Jan. 9 editorial in the Boston Globe about the New Hampshire victories of Hillary Clinton and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. "The results suggest that, at the least, New Hampshire voters put more stock in the length of a candidate's track record than Iowa voters did," the Globe said. But the paper never got around to explaining what, in Hillary's case, that experience consisted of.

Let's be clear. If you're a Democrat, experience isn't on this year's menu.


He then goes on to explore the differences (and similarities), between the top three candidates, experience-wise, in some detail. Last paragraph:

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Clinton's claim to superior experience isn't merely dishonest. It's also potentially dangerous should she become the nominee. If Clinton continues to build her campaign on the dubious foundation of government experience, it shouldn't be very difficult for her GOP opponent to pull that edifice down. That's especially true if a certain white-haired senator now serving his 25th year in Congress (four in the House and 21 in the Senate) wins the nomination. McCain could easily make Hillary look like an absolute fraud who is no more truthful about her depth of government experience than she is about why her mother named her "Hillary." Dennis Kucinich has more government experience than Clinton. (He also has a better health-care plan, but we'll save that for another day.) If Clinton doesn't find a new theme soon, she won't just be cutting Obama's throat. She'll also be cutting her own.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 08:05 am
Oh goodie, one more blog to add to my daily "must read" list.

Thanks!








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revel
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 08:15 am
sozobe; what will you do if it comes to down to Romney and Hillary? How are you going to stump or support for Hillary after kind of talking really bad about her during the primaries? Or am I am assuming you wouldn't vote for Romney in error?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 08:21 am
I've said several times that I'd vote for any of the top three Democrats. I really, really hope I get to vote for Obama. If he's the nominee, I'll work hard to do what I can to help him get elected. If Edwards is the nominee, I'll work for him too. If Hillary's the nominee, I'll probably just vote for her and leave it at that.

Nobody is perfect. In a less impressive field, I'd probably just kind of accept that Hillary is imperfect but the best shot. Obama isn't perfect either -- but I think he's a much better choice.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 08:22 am
Bookmark.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 08:24 am
I wrote this two years ago (March 2006) in the opening post of the "Obama '08" thread -- it's still about where I am now, if with a lot more info and a lot more nuance:

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What I know for sure is that when I think of all of the possible Democratic nominees, my reaction ranges from "could be OK" to "OH LORD PLEASE NO!!!", with one exception. Obama is the only one who makes me think, "Oh man, that would be SO great!!"


(Remember that I've been following Obama since 2003 or so, when I lived in Chicago, so while a lot has happened since I already knew a lot about him at the time.)
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 08:32 am
OK, so continuing to clear out the backlog:

The race vs. gender war

Gary Kamiya

http://www.salon.com/opinion/kamiya/2008/01/15/race_gender/

Interesting discussion of Steinem's Op-Ed, among other things.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 08:35 am
SC's Republican Governor praises Obama candidacy:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/11/scs-republican-governor-praises-obama-candidacy/

Excerpt:

Quote:
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 08:42 am
Playing to win, by hilzoy (who, judging by his avatar, may be fishin' -- fishin', that you? ;-))

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/01/playing-to-win.html

This is an interesting one, hard to summarize. I agree with a lot of it, but it's one that falls into the category of haven't yet had time to read it thoroughly and critically so I don't necessarily stand behind it as "what he says, I think." Very interesting though. Here's the end:

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I take it it goes without saying that all of this is unfair. While I think that a number of criticisms of the Clintons, and perhaps a few attacks as well, might have been warranted, I don't think it was the least bit fair that they were subjected to either the amount or the kind of vilification that they received. And everything I've said above is true precisely because Hillary Clinton was vilified. It's because of that fact that many people are inclined to believe the worst of her reflexively. And it's also because of that fact that Democrats are inclined to react to attacks on her defensively and angrily.

But fairness isn't the point when it comes to nominating a candidate for the Presidency. No one is entitled to be the Democratic nominee, and all sorts of people have lost their chance to be nominated unfairly. It's unfair that Chris Dodd and Bill Richardson had to go up against one of the strongest Democratic fields in living memory. It's unfair that Paul Tsongas looked like a dweeb. It's unfair that Richard Nixon's five o'clock shadow played any role at all in the 1960 election, hard as I find it to regret its effects. I could go on and on, and that's without getting into all the people who didn't even bother to run, or for that matter to enter politics, for unfair reasons.

If we want to, we could take this opportunity to redress the injustices done to Hillary Clinton. Personally, I'd rather win, and win in a way that makes it harder for those kinds of injustices to be perpetrated on anyone in the future.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 08:59 am
sozobe wrote:
I've said several times that I'd vote for any of the top three Democrats. I really, really hope I get to vote for Obama. If he's the nominee, I'll work hard to do what I can to help him get elected. If Edwards is the nominee, I'll work for him too. If Hillary's the nominee, I'll probably just vote for her and leave it at that.

Nobody is perfect. In a less impressive field, I'd probably just kind of accept that Hillary is imperfect but the best shot. Obama isn't perfect either -- but I think he's a much better choice.


Fair enough.

I just don't think McCain will get the republican nomination; he's too moderate for most conservative republicans and the evangelist; don't buy his johnny come lately smoothing up the jerry fawells after being against them. Some democrats might vote for him who don't want Hillary to win; but I just don't think Obama will get it and I don't believe it has anything to do with race; I just think Hillary has got the nomination. I could be wrong; and if I am; its ok with me either way as long as Romney; Hukabee (spell?) or Guilani (xspell) don't get president. I like them both (Hillary and Obama) and even though I am disgusted at McCain for not fighting harder on torture (the final bill after Bush's insertions) and other issues; I can live with him being president.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 09:17 am
Weird tone-deafness from British media, I've noticed. This is one that I found back, there have been more, though.

From the Guardian:

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A New Hampshire Clinton campaign official, Bill Shaheen, resigned last month after suggesting Democrats should be wary of nominating Obama because of his past drug use.

In what seems to have been another misjudged remark, Obama's wife, Michelle, campaigning for him in South Carolina, also brought up race. Addressing African-Americans sceptical about his ability to win, she said Iowa, which is predominantly white, voted for Obama. "Ain't no black people in Iowa," she said.

The language could alienate some white voters and the comment is also wrong: there are 75,000 African-Americans in Iowa.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/hillaryclinton/story/0,,2241051,00.html

I haven't seen anyone complaining about that anywhere else (and look, they conflated it with the Bill Shaheen comment), partly because it's such a "no duh" sort of statement. She doesn't mean literally there is not one single black person in Iowa (the Guardian's officious "fact checking" notwithstanding), she was saying, colloquially, that Obama won in an overwhelmingly white state. And Iowa is an overwhelmingly white state. <shrug>
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 10:06 am
Interesting article in a local SC paper, calling on Clyburn to endorse Obama and give a Democrat a chance of carrying SC (in a general election) for the first time in 30 years:

http://www.free-times.com/index.php?cat=11012501074601536&ShowArticle_ID=11461501080856437

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Which brings me to the point: History may be in the hands of Jim Clyburn. The powerful and respected South Carolina congressman wisely resisted urgings to sign on with the "inevitable" Clinton candidacy, leaving him now in a position to put Obama over the top if he wants to.

And surely he wants to. While it was once avowed racists who publicly smeared black candidates, now it is the Clintons and their surrogates.

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Clyburn voiced strong objections to the Clinton tactics in an interview with The New York Times, using words like "denigrate" and "disrespect." He went on to say he was reconsidering his neutrality in the race.

An endorsement of Obama by Clyburn would be "game over" in South Carolina and likely a pivotal moment in the 2008 campaign.

History is calling, Congressman Clyburn. Will you answer?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 10:36 am
Michael Chabon on Huffington Post about a fearmongering article by Richard Cohen, that Andrew Sullivan has also been referring to:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-chabon/hey-louis-farrakhan-and-_b_81698.html

It begins:

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Writing in his regular column for the Washington Post today, Richard Cohen sought to frighten me and every other Jew in America into believing that Barack Obama at worst supports, and at best tacitly approves of, the vile ideology and racialist libels that Louis Farrakhan has variously promulgated over the course of a long and serpentine career.

Having received a number of anxious emails from fellow Jews across the country, quoting from or including the entire text of the column, I can reassure Mr. Cohen that his efforts have not gone in vain. No one could argue, however, that Mr. Cohen set himself a difficult task. As a Jew, I know how easy it is to fear an anti-Semite, in particular a rabid one who, like Farrakhan, claims to have the ear of millions.

Indeed, it is as easy to fear hatred as it is to feel it; that is precisely why I refuse to be afraid. An extremist cannot flourish without the good offices of alarmists and those whom they incite to fear.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 10:46 am
An "open letter" in response:

http://rac.org/Articles/index.cfm?id=2631&pge_prg_id=7037

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Rabbi David Saperstein, Director of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, today joined an array of Jewish community leaders in speaking out against "hateful emails that use falsehood and innuendo to mischaracterize Senator Barack Obama's religious beliefs and who he is as a person."
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 10:56 am
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/16/nyregion/16about.html

About fears in the black community about Obama's safety.

While it wasn't a point of the article, reminded me that the 40th anniversary of MLK's assassination is April 4th. There are bound to be commemorations, "where I was when it happened" remembrances, etc. The bulk of the primaries will be over by then -- 11 left at that point -- and maybe the whole thing will already be decided. But made me wonder whether that date would help or harm Obama -- make people fearful, or inspire them with the possibility of a black president.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 10:58 am
sozobe wrote:
An "open letter" in response:


Actually I'm not sure if it's in response to Cohen or in response to "Obama is a Muslim"-type emails. The latter might be more likely.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 12:26 pm
Reading all political commentaries, I get the feeling that I'm not supposed to think on my own. Meaning, if I won't vote for Obama it's for a reason that I read or hear; not my own reason. For example, what if I won't vote for Obama because he was never in the military? Or, I personally prefer a President that was raised in a state that has a conservative history? Or, any number of reasons; none of them based on race.

What if I like Hillary because she already knows the 24/7 agenda of a Commander-In-Chief? Must I like her for the reasons I read or hear?(Why can't I be a male that would vote for her because she's a female?)

In other words, I stay away from all the articles, since I feel the inference in so many articles is that I don't have a brain that can make up my mind, for my own personal reasons! Or, my reasons aren't the correct reasons, so I should forget them, if they are not in some article.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 01:37 pm
Hi Foofie,

Interesting... how about if you write an article about it?

;-)

I'm only partly kidding.



That's part of what I was referring to when I mentioned not having time to read an article thoroughly and critically -- I definitely don't just go "oh, you're right!" when I read these things.

If I cite them to come back to it's usually because they have a fresh perspective, or they put something I was already thinking into words in a good clear way (saving me the effort), or because there are facts and figures that I would want to cite exactly. Some others are things I think might become important later and I want to keep tabs on. Probably more reasons than that, too.

But I definitely don't look to them to tell me what to think.
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Swimpy
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jan, 2008 01:50 pm
Glad to see you back in the saddle, soz. (my way of bookmarking.)
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